Who is receiving the Spirit?
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Jesus delivered us from the Law so the Law is no longer abiding. But Paul is still using the Law in this example.
Paul writes in 1st Corinthians
34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
...but in Galatians, Paul writes
25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
So there's a contradiction here.
This clearly shows us the only "perfect to come" is Jesus.
Paul writes in 1st Corinthians
34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
...but in Galatians, Paul writes
25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
So there's a contradiction here.
This clearly shows us the only "perfect to come" is Jesus.
Hold on.. these are two very different passages.. what is the context/setting of each? For eg.. the Galatians were Jewish Christians who needed to know putting old ways behind them. Giving up Judaism.
The Corinthians were different people who had pagan influence and Paul was admonishing them not to mix paganism with Christianity.. like giving up idols and giving up excess
The Corinthians were different people who had pagan influence and Paul was admonishing them not to mix paganism with Christianity.. like giving up idols and giving up excess
Yes, but the Law ended with Jesus. So to say we are doing something that is established by Law is incorrect. We do nothing that the Law established. Nothing in our church structure has anything to do with how a Synagogue is ran. Synagogues are "void" of the Holy Spirit. Our churches operate in the Holy Spirit where the Law has no effect.
I received the holy spirit Aug 31 ,1998.It was a Monday about noon and I was in my home praying for forgiveness.I had fasted the day before and had just said in my prayer that I believed Jesus had died for my sins and that is when I received the holy spirit.
There were no other humans in the house with me at the time.
Because of this ,I have no confusion as to how someone recieves the spirit.
There were no other humans in the house with me at the time.
Because of this ,I have no confusion as to how someone recieves the spirit.
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Well.. yeah.. Jesus was very good to women against the culture of the day. But at the same time, He inspired Paul to write about how a church is run and the right roles in a church for it to run Godly.
In the case of women to be silent in the church.. this is not about not talking at all, but particularly in this chapter.. the gift of tongues. The Corinthians were abusing this gift and practicing it without decency and order. Too many people were trying to speak in tongues and it was more like Pagan gibberish. Paul was admonishing them to have a structure with it so others in the church would be edified, and to have an interpreter so others could be encouraged. So women were part of this, doing it in an unruly way.. so there was Paul's admonishment for women to be silent.
So woman obviously still have teaching roles in the church.. to younger women.. and their own roles in ministry. So it isn't about not speaking at all, which would be ridiculous.
In the case of women to be silent in the church.. this is not about not talking at all, but particularly in this chapter.. the gift of tongues. The Corinthians were abusing this gift and practicing it without decency and order. Too many people were trying to speak in tongues and it was more like Pagan gibberish. Paul was admonishing them to have a structure with it so others in the church would be edified, and to have an interpreter so others could be encouraged. So women were part of this, doing it in an unruly way.. so there was Paul's admonishment for women to be silent.
So woman obviously still have teaching roles in the church.. to younger women.. and their own roles in ministry. So it isn't about not speaking at all, which would be ridiculous.
Jesus, who freed us from the Law, would not have Paul use the Law for the new Church.
Paul writes this again in Timothy.
Look what Paul says here, He, not God...12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
This alignment in Church is what Paul wants and he writes it personal as in I do not permit...Nowhere is God mentioned, this is what Paul is wanting.
Paul writes this again in Timothy.
Look what Paul says here, He, not God...12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
This alignment in Church is what Paul wants and he writes it personal as in I do not permit...Nowhere is God mentioned, this is what Paul is wanting.
God superintended over Paul's writing for it to be exactly what He wanted. There is also more context around this passage again. The verse does not stand on it's own.
But in regards to the law. It isn't the OT law Paul would be referring to. It's about laws for governing a church rightly. So there were particular roles given for men and women. Not inferiority/superiority but complimentary roles for running a church.
There is also no record of God admonishing Paul/correcting Paul to change this admonishing for women not to teach or exercise authority over a man.
Comes down to this: are we going to accept the bible for what it says, as God's Word or put our own ways above it?
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1242.cfm --- this is about Paul's writings being the Word of God
But in regards to the law. It isn't the OT law Paul would be referring to. It's about laws for governing a church rightly. So there were particular roles given for men and women. Not inferiority/superiority but complimentary roles for running a church.
There is also no record of God admonishing Paul/correcting Paul to change this admonishing for women not to teach or exercise authority over a man.
Comes down to this: are we going to accept the bible for what it says, as God's Word or put our own ways above it?
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1242.cfm --- this is about Paul's writings being the Word of God
Paul gave up pharisical teaching big time in his conversion. That's his testimony. Going from Judaism to being a christian. He fully understood being saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Romans is a great book for this. He knew freedom from the OT law.
How was he going back to past beliefs at an impasse?
How was he going back to past beliefs at an impasse?
Not exactly. While Paul expresses it that way (with full apostolic authority), he teaches the silence of women in church meetings from Scripture. The entire Tanakh (the OT) is also called "the Law". And what does Paul refer to? Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the Law. (1 Cor 14:34). Also, he refers to the deception of Eve (recorded in Genesis) as the basis for disallowing women to preach, teach, or usurp authority in the churches.
Who directed Paul to present these teachings other than God the Holy Spirit, who gave us every epistle by divine inspiration? The words in Scripture are the words of God given to men to write down (2 Tim 3:16,17).
Who directed Paul to present these teachings other than God the Holy Spirit, who gave us every epistle by divine inspiration? The words in Scripture are the words of God given to men to write down (2 Tim 3:16,17).
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