Another Man Lights Himself on Fire. This Time Outside a Trump Trial in NY

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HealthAndHappiness

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Another Tragic Protest Suicide

I posted another news story several weeks ago about a man who killed himself outside of the Israeli embassy protesting the Gaza War. This time a similar fate occured in NYNY outside of the Trump Trial. CNN immediately falsely called it an active shooter.
Reportedly, he left a note of why he chose to inflict this awful exit to eternity. More in the link above to Infowars.

Two most unusual deaths in one month...why?
What was he trying to accomplish?
 

Mem

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Another Tragic Protest Suicide

I posted another news story several weeks ago about a man who killed himself outside of the Israeli embassy protesting the Gaza War. This time a similar fate occured in NYNY outside of the Trump Trial. CNN immediately falsely called it an active shooter.
Reportedly, he left a note of why he chose to inflict this awful exit to eternity. More in the link above to Infowars.

Two most unusual deaths in one month...why?
What was he trying to accomplish?
I can only imagine that these have been overcome with their own terror, one of their own makings.
I wonder if Jeremiah might somewhat explain this phenomenon, with reference to chapters 49
and 50...
33This is what the LORD of Hosts says:
“The sons of Israel are oppressed,
and the sons of Judah as well.
All their captors hold them fast,
refusing to release them.

34Their Redeemer is strong;
the LORD of Hosts is His name.
He will fervently plead their case
so that He may bring rest to the earth,
but turmoil to those who live in Babylon.
....
38A drought is upon her waters,
and they will be dried up.
For it is a land of graven images,
and the people go mad over idols.e (footnote: Or go mad with fear)
 
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Gojira

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Another Tragic Protest Suicide

I posted another news story several weeks ago about a man who killed himself outside of the Israeli embassy protesting the Gaza War. This time a similar fate occured in NYNY outside of the Trump Trial. CNN immediately falsely called it an active shooter.
Reportedly, he left a note of why he chose to inflict this awful exit to eternity. More in the link above to Infowars.

Two most unusual deaths in one month...why?
What was he trying to accomplish?
This is why people need Christ -- a real Purpose. False meaning produces Hellish trophies, and some misery on Earth, too.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I can only imagine that these have been overcome with their own terror, one of their own makings.
I wonder if Jeremiah might somewhat explain this phenomenon, with reference to chapters 49
and 50...
33This is what the LORD of Hosts says:
“The sons of Israel are oppressed,
and the sons of Judah as well.
All their captors hold them fast,
refusing to release them.

34Their Redeemer is strong;
the LORD of Hosts is His name.
He will fervently plead their case
so that He may bring rest to the earth,
but turmoil to those who live in Babylon.
....
38A drought is upon her waters,
and they will be dried up.
For it is a land of graven images,
and the people go mad over idols.e (footnote: Or go mad with fear)

A Bible example of suicide from fear would be King Saul after going to the witch at Endor.

Like Alex said, I was thinking with these two cases of suicide, it would have been far more effective for their causes to just contact the media for an interview. It's never been easier.
 

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Another Tragic Protest Suicide

I posted another news story several weeks ago about a man who killed himself outside of the Israeli embassy protesting the Gaza War. This time a similar fate occured in NYNY outside of the Trump Trial. CNN immediately falsely called it an active shooter.
Reportedly, he left a note of why he chose to inflict this awful exit to eternity. More in the link above to Infowars.

Two most unusual deaths in one month...why?
What was he trying to accomplish?
Obviously, he was doing a slow burn inside.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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This is why people need Christ -- a real Purpose. False meaning produces Hellish trophies, and some misery on Earth, too.
Yes, it sure does.
People directed by unbilical direction will be directed by the world, flesh/ wicked imagination/ foolish thoughts, or the Devil.
 

posthuman

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Another Tragic Protest Suicide

I posted another news story several weeks ago about a man who killed himself outside of the Israeli embassy protesting the Gaza War. This time a similar fate occured in NYNY outside of the Trump Trial. CNN immediately falsely called it an active shooter.
Reportedly, he left a note of why he chose to inflict this awful exit to eternity. More in the link above to Infowars.

Two most unusual deaths in one month...why?
What was he trying to accomplish?
there has been statistically a dramatic rise in suicide attempts worldwide by self-immolation since the year Trump took office.

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((paper: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/public-health/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2024.1234584/full))

plotted data taken from Serbia, which records all burn victims in a database.
 

notmyown

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there has been statistically a dramatic rise in suicide attempts worldwide by self-immolation since the year Trump took office.

View attachment 263135

((paper: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/public-health/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2024.1234584/full))

plotted data taken from Serbia, which records all burn victims in a database.
dear heart, the uptick began when Mr. Obama was still in office (the next guy wasn't inaugurated till Jan 2017), and the article you linked is positing it may be attributed to COVID, isn't it?

you know i love you, but this seems to be a guilt by association kinda thing. i believe you can do better! ♥
 

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dear heart, the uptick began when Mr. Obama was still in office (the next guy wasn't inaugurated till Jan 2017), and the article you linked is positing it may be attributed to COVID, isn't it?

you know i love you, but this seems to be a guilt by association kinda thing. i believe you can do better! ♥
It's a spurious relationship. In fact the cause is the often outrageous responses of nefarious actors who are unable to continue to perpetrate evil against humanity.
 

posthuman

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dear heart, the uptick began when Mr. Obama was still in office (the next guy wasn't inaugurated till Jan 2017), and the article you linked is positing it may be attributed to COVID, isn't it?

you know i love you, but this seems to be a guilt by association kinda thing. i believe you can do better! ♥
the rate was steady 2015-2016, and began exponentially increasing in 2017

since the OP mentions Trump, and links to a news source known for pro-Trump propaganda, it seemed appropriate to point out the coincidence.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I posted another news story several weeks ago about a man who killed himself outside of the Israeli embassy protesting the Gaza War.Two most unusual deaths in one month...why?What was he trying to accomplish?
The First suicide was clearly blamed by the man as a protest against the Israeli murders against Palistinians. Perhaps Trump was the motivation?
The second was unclear.
What is your take on the motive of the second? What was he trying to accomplish?
the rate was steady 2015-2016, and began exponentially increasing in 2017

since the OP mentions Trump, and links to a news source known for pro-Trump propaganda, it seemed appropriate to point out the coincidence.
 

posthuman

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The First suicide was clearly blamed by the man as a protest against the Israeli murders against Palistinians. Perhaps Trump was the motivation?
The second was unclear.
What is your take on the motive of the second? What was he trying to accomplish?
he left a message; has that not been made public yet?

therein are clues, i would imagine :)
 

maxwel

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there has been statistically a dramatic rise in suicide attempts worldwide by self-immolation since the year Trump took office.

View attachment 263135

((paper: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/public-health/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2024.1234584/full))

plotted data taken from Serbia, which records all burn victims in a database.

Self Immolation - What really caused the increase in 2017?

- In 2017, Facebook announced it's AI chatbots had finally learned to deceive humans.
- In 2017, drug overdoses officially became the leading cause of death for Americans under 50.
- In 2017, record setting hurricanes began to occur.
- In 2017, there were massive wildfires across the globe.
- In 2017, a solar eclipse crossed the U.S..
- In 2017, Mugabe, president of Zimbabwe, was ousted in a military coup.
- In 2017, Brexit actually kicked into action, upon triggering article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.
- In 2017, Mosul, the largest city in Iraq, was liberated from ISIS but destroyed in the process.
- In 2017, NOAA announced the 2nd hottest year in history, creating more panic around global warming.
- In 2017 Snapchat initiated their IPO, and began trading publicly on the stock exchange.
- In 2017, Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway walked onto the Oscar stage with the wrong envelope, creating an international scandal.
- In 2017, Harvey Weinstein, the Hollywood mogul, fell from grace, igniting a huge avalanche of sexual harassment allegations against countless Hollywood celebrities.
- In 2017 massive hurricanes tore through the southern U.S. - and dozens of celebrities gathered to sing about it... which may have been worse than the hurricanes.
- In 2017 Prince Harry and Meghan Markle got engaged... the world was shocked, the royal family was more shocked... and we're still reeling from the aftermath.
- In 2017 Taylor Swift had a massive comeback, and she's still writing mean songs about her exes to this very day.

Who knows why self immolation made an uptick in 2017... there are so many freakish events.


CONCLUSION:
1. Correlation Doesn't Equal Causation:

Correlation doesn't equal causation... hopefully my post above highlights the absurdity of this.
2. Very Tiny numbers don't really have statistical significance:
When a number (like self immolation) never even rises above 10, it's hard to claim any kind of "statistical significance" in year-to-year changes.
3. This is a very silly conversation.


You guys have a great week.
God Bless.

.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Self Immolation - What really caused the increase in 2017?

- In 2017, Facebook announced it's AI chatbots had finally learned to deceive humans.
- In 2017, drug overdoses officially became the leading cause of death for Americans under 50.
- In 2017, record setting hurricanes began to occur.
- In 2017, there were massive wildfires across the globe.
- In 2017, a solar eclipse crossed the U.S..
- In 2017, Mugabe, president of Zimbabwe, was ousted in a military coup.
- In 2017, Brexit actually kicked into action, upon triggering article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.
- In 2017, Mosul, the largest city in Iraq, was liberated from ISIS but destroyed in the process.
- In 2017, NOAA announced the 2nd hottest year in history, creating more panic around global warming.
- In 2017 Snapchat initiated their IPO, and began trading publicly on the stock exchange.
- In 2017, Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway walked onto the Oscar stage with the wrong envelope, creating an international scandal.
- In 2017, Harvey Weinstein, the Hollywood mogul, fell from grace, igniting a huge avalanche of sexual harassment allegations against countless Hollywood celebrities.
- In 2017 massive hurricanes tore through the southern U.S. - and dozens of celebrities gathered to sing about it... which may have been worse than the hurricanes.
- In 2017 Prince Harry and Meghan Markle got engaged... the world was shocked, the royal family was more shocked... and we're still reeling from the aftermath.
- In 2017 Taylor Swift had a massive comeback, and she's still writing mean songs about her exes to this very day.

Who knows why self immolation made an uptick in 2017... there are so many freakish events.


CONCLUSION:
1. Correlation Doesn't Equal Causation:

Correlation doesn't equal causation... hopefully my post above highlights the absurdity of this.
2. Very Tiny numbers don't really have statistical significance:
When a number (like self immolation) never even rises above 10, it's hard to claim any kind of "statistical significance" in year-to-year changes.
3. This is a very silly conversation.


You guys have a great week.
God Bless.

.
I think one of them was the ex boyfriend of Taylor Swift.

"It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman and in a wide house."

I know....bad joke. 🥴
 

posthuman

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What is your take on the motive of the second? What was he trying to accomplish?
self immolation is always a cry for attention. it is a decidedly un-private form of suicide.

beyond that until i read the note he left explaining himself i decline to speculate.
 
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Niki7

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there has been statistically a dramatic rise in suicide attempts worldwide by self-immolation since the year Trump took office.

View attachment 263135

((paper: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/public-health/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2024.1234584/full))

plotted data taken from Serbia, which records all burn victims in a database.
was Trump President in the year 2013 also when there was a rise? And he was most definitely not in the oval office during the massive upticks of 2020-21 and I imagine still ongoing.

What's your point other than you have personal enmity to Trump? (shrugs)