Did Jesus Have an Advantage over Pre-Fall Adam During the Incarnation?

[Cameron143]

Great. Maybe shake that inch of dust off of that Bible you have laying around too.

While I'm dusting perhaps I can get some of the crust off of you.

 

[Cameron143]

The supposed contradiction is that of your vivid imagination.

BTW.....conflict/paradox resolution occurs in higher dimensional space. You know.....where the Trinity resides?
You might want to look into that.

I'll get right on this too.

 

[posthuman]

I have the ability to manage my whole day. I can make every choice and decision. Or, I can walk in the Spirit and let God manage my whole day, and He can make every decision. Was Jesus operating in His strength and power, or the strength and power of the Spirit?

His power is the power of the Holy Spirit, there is only one God

 

[cv5]

While I'm dusting perhaps I can get some of the crust off of you.

Don't even think about it.

 

[Cameron143]

His power is the power of the Holy Spirit, there is only one God

And yet, 3 distinct persons, each able in and of Themselves to exercise that power or withhold it's exercise.

 

[cv5]

And yet, 3 distinct persons, each able in and of Themselves to exercise that power or withhold it's exercise.

In flawless perfect harmony and coordination.

Which is exactly the case at the incarnation. Whatever power Jesus exercised or restrained, whatever will was being exerted, it was all sanctioned by the Trinity in eternity past.

 

[Cameron143]

In flawless perfect harmony and coordination.

Which is exactly the case at the incarnation. Whatever power Jesus exercised or restrained, whatever will was being exerted, it was all sanctioned by the Trinity in eternity past.

No one has argued against this point.

 

[cv5]

No one has argued against this point.

Right. Which makes the other arguments regarding the power and will of Jesus at the incarnation moot.

Jesus Himself was completely in control of His own birth. And babyhood. The works.
And was fully omnipotent God in the womb.

 

[Cameron143]

Right. Which makes the other arguments regarding the power and will of Jesus at the incarnation moot.

Jesus Himself was completely in control of His own birth. And babyhood. The works.
And was fully omnipotent God in the womb.

Well that's the spur under the saddle, isn't it? Jesus, not being the Holy Spirit, was conceived of the Holy Spirit.

 

[sawdust]

If you actually believe that Jesus was merely a man, then I say that your salvation is in dire jeopardy. And that you are spreading devastating heresy.

Honestly c'mon. How many times must I say Jesus is the God/man? Fully God, fully man having two natures, eternally begotten of the Father.

It's your misunderstanding of what I'm saying that is spreading heresy, so cut it out.

 

[sawdust]

Absolute nonsense. He used His own power and authority as much as the Father and Spirit used theirs.

God is One in power and purpose.

Oh yea......Jesus simply DECLARING that he was going to resurrect Himself is proof positive of his eternal omnipotence.
Unless of course God aka YHVH aka Christ Jesus is impotently bragging and actually could not accomplish it.

Christ could do what He did during His time on Earth because the Father gave Him the authority and power to do it.

John 5:19
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

John 8:28
So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

 

[sawdust]

That's exactly what I thought you said, but it's only half true. The other half of it is Jesus laid it aside and took it back up whenever He saw fit. And that was many times during His time on earth.

So, you were half right. The biblical fact of the matter is, Jesus was always fully man and fully God but He didn't use His God powers to numb the pain He had to suffer in order to pay the penalty for the sins of Gods elect. He also didn't use His God powers to resist the temptation to sin.

As I said before, He did use His power in many other instances, not only to perform miracles but also in teaching and preaching and perceiving what others were thinking. So it could be said that He used His God power about 50% of the time and He acted as an ordinary man during the other 50% of the time so it was a fairly even mix.

Now if you don't agree, you will need to provide scripture to support your protest. Private opinions will be thrown out of court.

Was that an apology?

I have provided scripture showing the Son can do nothing on His own authority. You have provided nothing but your opinion.

 

[sawdust]

The Scripture says otherwise. In massive, irreducible unimpeachable quantity.

And yet you have given us nothing.

 

[sawdust]

Has God asked us to be omniscient or omnipotent?
He has only asked us to love mercy, to do justly, and to walk humbly before Him.

it isn't our responsibility to die for the sins of the world or to perform all the signs that signify the Messiah; not every thing He did and does is for us to follow.

John 13:36​

Simon Peter said to Him, ​

"Lord, where are You going?" ​

Jesus answered him, ​

"Where I am going you cannot follow Me now, but you shall follow Me afterward."​

But you keep insisting Christ lived the life he lived because He is God. He performed miracles because He is God. He wasn't tempted because He is God. He could die on a Cross because He is God. He could raise Himself from death because He is God.

Now if you are clever you will notice I threw in temptation and death (which you have not mentioned) because we know God cannot be tempted or die. But I did so to show you how baseless your argument is. Christ performed miracles and raised Himself from the dead because He was given the authority (and with authority comes power) to do so. Scripture tells us this time and time again.

 

[sawdust]

that position can't answer these questions:

why does He never once say "thus saith the LORD"?

why does He always say "Amen Amen I say unto you"?

Do you not understand what it is to have authority?

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

 

[cv5]

And yet you have given us nothing.

That is a lie. A big one.

Frankly your position has already been relegated to the trash bin.

 

[cv5]

Christ performed miracles and raised Himself from the dead because He was given the authority (and with authority comes power) to do so. Scripture tells us this time and time again.

Prove it.

 

[cv5]

Honestly c'mon. How many times must I say Jesus is the God/man? Fully God, fully man having two natures, eternally begotten of the Father.

It's your misunderstanding of what I'm saying that is spreading heresy, so cut it out.

Heresy is declaring that the I AM of the OT became the I AM NOT ANYMORE during the incarnation.
And then somehow Jesus gets a booster shot of divinity after the resurrection.

Preposterous on every level.

 

[Cameron143]

Well that's the spur under the saddle, isn't it? Jesus, not being the Holy Spirit, was conceived of the Holy Spirit.

Guess I should have said burr and not spur, or just gone with the ole rattlesnake in the boot cliche.

 

[sawdust]

Heresy is declaring that the I AM of the OT became the I AM NOT ANYMORE during the incarnation.
And then somehow Jesus gets a booster shot of divinity after the resurrection.

Preposterous on every level.

Really? You continue to misrepresent what I say even after I have corrected you?

So rude!

Have a nice day.