Do those condemned to hell suffer forever?
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If God had wanted us to be afraid of hell, he would have decreed the fear for us and we would be afraid. You have been blessed with that wonderful gift, But He decreed that we believe He is love. That He has reconciled to Himself all things in heaven and earth, making peace through the cross. That He loved us while we were yet sinners and wants us to boldly enter His throne-room as His children, cleansed of all impurity through his cross. He decreed you to believe you've got the better deal. And he decreed us to think we've got the better deal. It's all god's perfect will. Who are we to contradict God?
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Gods Word is misunderstood by many, that's why the Catholic Church forbode private individual access to the Bible. God wrote the Bible in a wat that only His elect will understand. It is foolishness to those who are perishing.
It's obvious to me that you have never been taught about the doctrine of hell by a qualified Shepherd. I can't give you a crash course here as it takes a long time to learn. The first step is to find a qualified Shepherd who is willing to teach you.
You prove that you don't know by saying "doesn't sound like being alive forever to me", that is tantamount to saying what Satan said to Eve. "Has
No, God wants His children to fear Him above all things, we never get to a point where we can put down our fear. We fear Him because we know how horrific hell is, so we do anything we can to avoid bringing Gods wrath upon us.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so those who don't have a real serious fear of God are absolute fools. Fools try to water down the horrific nature of hell, because the the truth is too much to bare. We can pretend that hell is not as bad as what Jesus described it to be but everyone will have to face the reality sooner or later.
It's obvious to me that you have never been taught about the doctrine of hell by a qualified Shepherd. I can't give you a crash course here as it takes a long time to learn. The first step is to find a qualified Shepherd who is willing to teach you.
You prove that you don't know by saying "doesn't sound like being alive forever to me", that is tantamount to saying what Satan said to Eve. "Has
No, God wants His children to fear Him above all things, we never get to a point where we can put down our fear. We fear Him because we know how horrific hell is, so we do anything we can to avoid bringing Gods wrath upon us.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so those who don't have a real serious fear of God are absolute fools. Fools try to water down the horrific nature of hell, because the the truth is too much to bare. We can pretend that hell is not as bad as what Jesus described it to be but everyone will have to face the reality sooner or later.
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To understand this subject a question needs to be answered ...
Is mankind mortal or immortal?
Are we subject to death or not subject to death?
Job 4:17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
There it is! mankind is mortal. God made us subject to deteriorate and die.
It is clear that only God is immortal.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1Ti 6: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Only God naturally has immortality.
We are mortal.
And that includes the soul.
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Is mankind mortal or immortal?
Are we subject to death or not subject to death?
Job 4:17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
There it is! mankind is mortal. God made us subject to deteriorate and die.
It is clear that only God is immortal.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1Ti 6: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Only God naturally has immortality.
We are mortal.
And that includes the soul.
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
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I expected you to know better than to come up with this unbiblical nonsense. Man, it is appointed for man to die once and then the judgement.
You don't get a second chance in hell my friend, Jesus casts sinners into hell everyday. They all beg Him for another chance, each one of the 190,000 whom He cast into hell every single day are begging for mercy as they ae cast into the fire.
But Jesus shows them no mercy at all, He is brutally cold and indifferent to their suffering.
You don't get a second chance in hell my friend, Jesus casts sinners into hell everyday. They all beg Him for another chance, each one of the 190,000 whom He cast into hell every single day are begging for mercy as they ae cast into the fire.
But Jesus shows them no mercy at all, He is brutally cold and indifferent to their suffering.
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So, you've never heard of the general resurrection???. Well you need to do a quick bible study on it then you would understand the truth, instead of citing unrelated verses and twisting their meaning to support your false view.
You will be resurrected and cast into hell to be eternally tormented without the hope of ceasing to exist or being annihilated, or you will enter into eternal paradise without a chance of ceasing to exist or being annihilated. Your wishful thinking will never change the truth, because Gods Word is eternal.
Your body will die, but God will resurrect it to punishment or paradise. You don't get a say in what God does, that's His business.
You will be resurrected and cast into hell to be eternally tormented without the hope of ceasing to exist or being annihilated, or you will enter into eternal paradise without a chance of ceasing to exist or being annihilated. Your wishful thinking will never change the truth, because Gods Word is eternal.
Your body will die, but God will resurrect it to punishment or paradise. You don't get a say in what God does, that's His business.
Revelation 20:14 (KJV):
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
Revelation 21:8 (KJV):
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
The second death is portrayed as a dire consequence for those who have not embraced faith in God and is final and permanent.
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
Revelation 21:8 (KJV):
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
The second death is portrayed as a dire consequence for those who have not embraced faith in God and is final and permanent.
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I do believe it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgment. We disagree on what happens in the infinite time after the judgment. You think God will relish the torment of condemned beings so much that He will keep it going for every single one of them unceasingly. Maybe he will for you, just so you can remain right in your own eyes. But I understand God to be full of mercy and loving-kindness, and not despising broken contrite spirits.
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The Different Outcomes of the Body of the Godly and Body of the Ungodly
Hi there! It's later in the day and I'm more fully awake. I wanted to explain about our bodies and the outcomes for those who belong to the Lord Jesus and those who rejected Him. As you know, that when the Lord returns, He will give all His people immortal, imperishable bodies. These bodies won't break down or age - we will be able to do stuff, maybe even stuff we've always wanted to do but in this age just didn't have time to do (I play violin but I just don't have time to "git gud" at it, for example!
). We'll get to play sports, explore the world that God made, plant gardens and cook fine meals, have fun with animals without getting attacked and eaten by them, etc! All the fun godly activities!Those who reject God on the other hand, won't receive immortal bodies. As you have pointed out in Psalm 37:20, their bodies are consumed away. It doesn't mean though that the body completely disappears - if you look up the meaning of smoke, scientifically, it means "a suspension of fine solid or liquid particles in a gaseous medium" so their body still exists! They're just not functional!
Other verses describe the ungodly's body as a corpse whose worm never dies as mentioned in this thread. Again another example of God not giving them new, functioning bodies. All the beautiful models who rejected God are going to freak out at how ugly they are. All the ungodly athletes will be devastated that they can no longer enjoy the sports the once excelled at. They won't even be able to do simple things like walk through beautiful forests or appreciate some well made food.
Our Conscious State
What hasn't yet been mentioned in this thread though is the conscious state of the unrepentant. And this is where it is truly terrifying and why you don't want to ever reject God or fall away from Him. We're ALL going to be raised up, both the godly and the ungodly on Judgement Day.
John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. "
Matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, plus bodily suffering (whatever is left of their bodies) for the rest of eternity. If you have loved ones, this is a great incentive to share the gospel with them!
Why Would God Punish the Ungodly Eternally When Their Sins Seem For a Short Time in Comparison?
I remember posting about our free will and how we will always have it, even when God gives His faithful people our immortal, imperishable bodies. The reason why we won't sin after that is because we will no longer have that sin nature - we will be like Jesus who always chooses to obey God and do the things that please Him.
So what do you think happens to people who have rejected God? They will still have their sinful natures and thus will always sin if given the opportunity eternally. They won't have a functional body, so they won't be able to do anything sinful, but their conscious state will continue to sin because of that sinful nature. Remember in Revelation that it says that even in the very last days just before Jesus will return, people will refuse to turn to Him. So that is the state in which an ungodly person will always be for all eternity. This is why God will punish the ungodly eternally.
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Are you still banging on about this non existent god of love. I thought we put him to biblical death, why are you still trying to give him a voice. Where does the bible say that God turns down the heat and brings the carnival rides out after the damned have served their time in hell??????
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The idea that Jesus shows sinners no mercy and is brutally cold and indifferent to their suffering does not align with the central teachings of Christ as found in the New Testament. Instead, the N. T. emphasizes Jesus's compassion, forgiveness, and willingness to reach out to sinners.
One notable example is the story of the woman caught in adultery found in the Gospel of John see John 8:1-11. When the scribes and Pharisees bring a woman caught in adultery to Jesus, expecting him to condemn her, Jesus responds with mercy and compassion, saying, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." He then forgives the woman and instructs her to "go, and from now on sin no more."
Another example is the parable of the prodigal son see Luke 15:11-32, where Jesus teaches about the unconditional love and forgiveness of God through the father's response to his wayward son's return.
Throughout the Gospels, Jesus consistently demonstrates compassion and mercy towards sinners, healing the sick, dining with tax collectors and sinners, and offering forgiveness to those who repent. This aspect of Jesus's character is central to the Christian understanding of God's love and grace.
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One notable example is the story of the woman caught in adultery found in the Gospel of John see John 8:1-11. When the scribes and Pharisees bring a woman caught in adultery to Jesus, expecting him to condemn her, Jesus responds with mercy and compassion, saying, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." He then forgives the woman and instructs her to "go, and from now on sin no more."
Another example is the parable of the prodigal son see Luke 15:11-32, where Jesus teaches about the unconditional love and forgiveness of God through the father's response to his wayward son's return.
Throughout the Gospels, Jesus consistently demonstrates compassion and mercy towards sinners, healing the sick, dining with tax collectors and sinners, and offering forgiveness to those who repent. This aspect of Jesus's character is central to the Christian understanding of God's love and grace.
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Hey Charlie, I hope you don't mind me sharing some thoughts with you. It seems like you might have some ideas that are a bit outdated, like you're stuck in a different era, maybe back when things were pretty intense, like during the Inquisition. Back then, not everyone had easy access to information, especially about religion, so it was easier for some folks to be misled. But times have changed! We've got access to all sorts of knowledge now, including the teachings of the Bible. And you know what's at the heart of it all? Love! So maybe it's worth taking a look at the Gospels again with fresh eyes, focusing on the message of love that God's all about. Just a friendly nudge to keep things positive! Oh, and let's not forget those spooky stories about gargoyles adorning churches and eternal hellfire from the Inquisition days. They sure knew how to scare people back then, why continue on the same path? Let's leave that in the past and focus on the love and kindness part, alright?
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I know it better than you do.
That doesn't support your claim:
"He always made it clear that those in hell are tormented in the fire, day and night for ever and ever. "
The fire is everlasting but nothing about the people being everlasting. I have posted scripture that says they aren't which no one commented on because it disproves eternal torture.
Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Doesn't sound like being alive forever to me.
That doesn't support your claim:
"He always made it clear that those in hell are tormented in the fire, day and night for ever and ever. "
The fire is everlasting but nothing about the people being everlasting. I have posted scripture that says they aren't which no one commented on because it disproves eternal torture.
Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Doesn't sound like being alive forever to me.
God can give us eternal life..
He has the keys to hell and death.
There are two resurrections,
The resurrection of the Just and the resurrection of the unjust (or saved and unsaved.)
the first is for the saved and happens at the comming of Jesus... the second resurrection for the unsaved happens after the 1000 years. Read the word.
Joh 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
ALL will hear His voice and come forth.
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
REV is clear that 1000 years seperates the 2 resurrections.
Rev 20:5-6
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Those that are raised in the first are with Jesus for the 1000 years.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
We are given eternal life at the second coming of Jesus. We will receive bodies that will not die..
But this is only for the saved.
Mat 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1Th 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
When Jesus comes those that are asleep will be raised and then those alive will be transformed and this is the first resurrection. If you are part of this group you will receive eternal life.
If you are part of the second resurrection,
The resurrection of damnation, you will be thrown into the lake of fire which is the second death.
Rev 20:14-15
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
No more death, or pain or sorrow. The former things are passed away.
He has the keys to hell and death.
There are two resurrections,
The resurrection of the Just and the resurrection of the unjust (or saved and unsaved.)
the first is for the saved and happens at the comming of Jesus... the second resurrection for the unsaved happens after the 1000 years. Read the word.
Joh 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
ALL will hear His voice and come forth.
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
REV is clear that 1000 years seperates the 2 resurrections.
Rev 20:5-6
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Those that are raised in the first are with Jesus for the 1000 years.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
We are given eternal life at the second coming of Jesus. We will receive bodies that will not die..
But this is only for the saved.
Mat 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1Th 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
When Jesus comes those that are asleep will be raised and then those alive will be transformed and this is the first resurrection. If you are part of this group you will receive eternal life.
If you are part of the second resurrection,
The resurrection of damnation, you will be thrown into the lake of fire which is the second death.
Rev 20:14-15
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
No more death, or pain or sorrow. The former things are passed away.
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