Well, say I actually turn the other cheek? What happens if I give $5 to every person who asks for$1? What if I bless my enemies as a way of life? What happens when someone sues me for $ 10,000 and I give him $100,000? It sounds like suicide at first. But it sure would make it easy for Israel to claim dominion over all nations. Is this the plan?
Christianity, is it to make Satans objectives easier?
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The biblical concept of "turning the other cheek" doesn't seem to imply any of the scenarios you mentioned.
1.) Before extrapolating speculations from a verse, it's best if we first study the verse, in a serious way, to arrive at the historical context and meaning.
(We should understand a verse before we start trying to apply it.)
2.) The Bible never tells Christians to be stupid or gullible... that's a misunderstanding of the Christian faith.
(The Bible doesn't tell us to be stupid.)
God Bless.
Say tonight another nation bombs a major city of our nation murdering 35,000 civilians. What would you say the genuinely Christian response would be?
Regardless of my thoughts, that scenario has nothing to do with the scripture saying to "turn the other cheek."
That was my whole point.
Lets' not misunderstand verses, and then misapply them to imaginary things.
If we want to debate politics, fine, but lets not begin by quoting verses out of context.
Perhaps you should start a new thread, where you just say what's on your mind. Quoting verses out of context just muddies the water... so just start a new thread, and clearly state whatever is on your mind.
God Bless.
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I will admit that my original question was not well formed or asked. It’s a genuine concern and belongs in the conspiracy category. I will craft a more focused and potent question regarding the subject in a new topic.
"Turning the other cheek" is a response to insults. We say, "A slap in the face" these days. In the times of the Greek empire, it was recorded that a slave would commit suicide if his owner slapped him in the face. The shame was too much. Not so with Jesus.
Say a terrorist group bombed every church in your city, hunted down and murdered Christians, raped and murdered women and children including infants, pillaged every home, kidnapped many and promised to do the same in every nation on earth. What would you expect/hope that governments would do?
Exactly my question restated. As Christian’s, if it were our decision to make what would we be expected to do? Turn the other cheek? Love our enemy?
Exactly my question restated. As Christian’s, if it were our decision to make what would we be expected to do? Turn the other cheek? Love our enemy?
If you love your enemy, how much more do you love your family and friends (including your church family)?
There are things in the Bible that are said to illustrate a principle - it does not mean that they "undo" anything else that is also found in the Bible. We must use careful discernment to "put it all together" in the 'big picture'.
You should never form a complete world view based on a single verse of scripture - it all has to be taken together as a whole.
Each well-known phrase in each verse where it is found has meaning according to the context of the passage where it is found.
Everything must be kept in context.
There are things in the Bible that are said to illustrate a principle - it does not mean that they "undo" anything else that is also found in the Bible. We must use careful discernment to "put it all together" in the 'big picture'.
You should never form a complete world view based on a single verse of scripture - it all has to be taken together as a whole.
Each well-known phrase in each verse where it is found has meaning according to the context of the passage where it is found.
Everything must be kept in context.
Hypothetical situations are always a problem. "Turn the other cheek" is nothing to do with violence. And yes, we should love our enemy. That does not mean that we should not protect our family. If a nation attacks a nation, defence is the government's business. How a Christian responds, e.g. military service or not, is a matter of conscience.
Exactly my question restated. As Christian’s, if it were our decision to make what would we be expected to do? Turn the other cheek? Love our enemy?
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Is this thread an attack on Israel’s rightful response to the Hamas attack on innocent civilians?
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Apparently yes. I don’t get why people can’t see how all of this started.
There's a perspective from a defensive standpoint which can be justified but to get people on board with an offensive approach in the guise of a defensive strategy requires an exertion of works of deception.
It can't be easy to describe freedom as appearing to be oppression, but obviously, many believe they can accomplish this.
That's how I saw it. I note that Israel's critics still have no positive and workable solution to the problem.
I appreciate your point of view. In all honesty I think it is clear that “turning the other cheek” is in fact Jesus’ prescribed response to an act of violence. Perhaps you are suggesting that the violence of slapping a man’s face is not to be equated with murdering one’s townsfolk?
Explaining away Jesus’ words by jailing them is blasphemy is it not?
He said you heard it said that you must love your neighbors and hate your enemies (YHWH) but I say you must love your enemies. (Jesus directly attacks YHWHs directive). I’d say Jesus is correct and this is a Christian group.
Originally I asked if Christianity served to make the Devils/Satans strive to achieve dominion over earth easier. Since then I have become aware of passages where Jesus states that the Devil is in fact the God of this world and that there is no objectives for the Devil to actually strive for. The Devil has won almost from the beginning of time. None the less, the Devil being just a clever Angel has no power over anyone unless it is granted voluntarily.
You would think that with a world population of many Christians that it might become clear that the Devil can be resisted and in fact ordered around by humankind. That is not the case. It seems that Christians do not understand the power that Jesus has given humanity.
Jesus said that the devil comes only to steal, murder and destroy. Wherever we see murder, destruction, and theft of property we know the Devil is at work in the minds and hearts of those carrying out the atrocities. We can collectively rebuke the demons out from the evil doers whichever flag they wave. We can do so through social media. We also have the opportunity to video people, their expressions and actions while possessed to study later in our schools and mental institutions. We can interview them while possessed and after the demons leave. We can witness.
You would think that with a world population of many Christians that it might become clear that the Devil can be resisted and in fact ordered around by humankind. That is not the case. It seems that Christians do not understand the power that Jesus has given humanity.
Jesus said that the devil comes only to steal, murder and destroy. Wherever we see murder, destruction, and theft of property we know the Devil is at work in the minds and hearts of those carrying out the atrocities. We can collectively rebuke the demons out from the evil doers whichever flag they wave. We can do so through social media. We also have the opportunity to video people, their expressions and actions while possessed to study later in our schools and mental institutions. We can interview them while possessed and after the demons leave. We can witness.