The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

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selahsays

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Perhaps the problem on your thread is lack of direction on your part. You are asking about some crazy idea that some can't choose salvation because they are Elected and others can. I think everyone would agree this notion is hogwash.

So where are you trying to go with this? Maybe you should present other questions to guide the conversation or give your views upon the subject to spur on debate. After all, you are talking about Salvation (Soteriology), so you should not be surprised if it begins heading in multiple directions.

It's your thread --- Get on the tiller.
It’s going off topic. I wonder why.
 

Niki7

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Perhaps the problem on your thread is lack of direction on your part. You are asking about some crazy idea that some can't choose salvation because they are Elected and others can. I think everyone would agree this notion is hogwash.

So where are you trying to go with this? Maybe you should present other questions to guide the conversation or give your views upon the subject to spur on debate. After all, you are talking about Salvation (Soteriology), so you should not be surprised if it begins heading in multiple directions.

It's your thread --- Get on the tiller.
No. The op is very plain.

The actual problems are people who cannot properly digest what is written by another because they already have their minds made up about everything and rather than discuss, they prefer to teach.

To be sure, I have taught, but the difference and why my students in both art and scripture always appreciated me, is because I listened and respected them and thought we all had something to offer. You might notice how I have not superimposed my own beliefs on anyone in this thread and I do respect those who, even though we may not agree 100%, I can sense and see the honesty in what they write.

I was also pretty good at shutting down nonsense. I mean you can't please everyone and I don't even try anymore. :giggle:

Feel free to start your own advice column thread and you can run it like gopher town with all those entries and exits ;)
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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@Niki

Right. There are some who God elected, but not all are elected. God loves both.

Some people just have a very specific calling where God already knew they would choose to follow Him and carry out the calling. But everyone who comes to God for salvation and receives the Holy Spirit as the seal over them showing they belong to God are the elect. The elect and those saved through free choice are one and the same.


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selahsays

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Some people just have a very specific calling where God already knew they would choose to follow Him and carry out the calling. But everyone who comes to God for salvation and receives the Holy Spirit as the seal over them showing they belong to God are the elect. The elect and those saved through free choice are one and the same.


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But they in a sense become elect. Not like, say, Paul.
 
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God lays out the end results to either way possible to choose from. But it is the person who chooses the way they want to go.
How can you demolish without his knowledge 🙂

We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
 

awelight

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why did Jesus say ye do the works of the devil.

Is there any chance he never wanted them to or they had not heard that message before inwardly 🙂
I don't get your point because it has altered from the original subject.

You obviously missed the point our Lord was making. It's not just about works it is about relationship.
Verse 44a Ye are of your father the devil,
 

Niki7

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DISSONANCE

alive and well as in most threads round here
 

FollowerofShiloh

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God allowed the people to choose. And He sent Samuel to sanctify him in the office, but God's choice was David. The people chose Saul.
Scripture says first He was chosen by the revered judge and prophet Samuel, under the direction of God.
The people would have voted anyone in front of them but it was God who put the person (Saul) before them to vote for.
 

selahsays

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Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision, "Ananias." And he said, "Here I am, Lord." So the Lord said to him, "Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for behold, he is praying. "And in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him, so that he might receive his sight." Then Ananias answered, "Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. "And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name." But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. "For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake."

- Acts 9:10-16
 

FollowerofShiloh

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How can you demolish without his knowledge 🙂

We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
You must first understand a scripture before you can apply it properly.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Saul did not get in front of the people to vote for him by luck or accident.
He got there because God put him there through Samuel.
So God elected who to be king.