4th Industrial Revolution

[ZNP]

No, it's a tool. And AI can't play God. Additionally, it cannot reason or plan as a human mind can and it's uncertain at this time if it will be able to or if it ultimately can, then when? As @ZNP has referenced, the costs and hardware and software and the amount of power consumed to run even the development is staggering. There are simply so many things a human mind and body do even in the initial phases of development and learning that are not understood.

This is where the breakdown in communication comes in. Will AI ever get to ASI (artificial super intelligence) is something that no one has answered. Will AI ever get to AGI (Artificial general intelligence) well that depends on how you define it. Already AI can perform better than virtually every single human on the planet on some test or other and it can perform better than some humans on a vast number of tests. But I have argued that is the wrong criteria to be looking at.

The real criteria is "can it do this very narrowly defined job better than a human"? For example, can a computer do a better job at diagnosing a problem with the car than a human? The answer is yes, 80% of the time. That means you can replace 80% of the mechanics who are diagnosing problems with cars. Can it make a big mac better than a human? Again the answer is yes on a number of critical metrics like cost, reliability and liability.

Now if these advances replaced 1% of workers each year we could adapt. But the reality is that in the last 12 months AI has gone from being a very smart 6th grader to being a very smart college graduate.

The point at which the whole world changes is when fortune 500 companies decide they don't need to hire college graduates anymore. I suggest that time is this June. I could be wrong, I doubt it, but even if I am then you know for sure the time will be next June.

One thing that is really scary about AI is that with robots and drones there is a massive assembly line and manufacturing that must take place. With AI there isn't. They do need the computing power and they do need the servers, but fortune 500 companies can definitely afford to either lease that from Google or buy their own servers.

2023 saw a very large number of layoffs, I believe that 2024 will see layoffs increase at an exponential rate, maybe even double or quadruple what we saw in 2023. Once that happens it is all over, it will be like a landslide.

1. Hiring freeze

2. Incentives for early retirement

3. Layoffs

The PC revolution took about 20 years and the internet revolution took about ten years. I think the transformation to AI will take about 2 1/2 years.

 

[studier]

This is where the breakdown in communication comes in. Will AI ever get to ASI (artificial super intelligence) is something that no one has answered. Will AI ever get to AGI (Artificial general intelligence) well that depends on how you define it. Already AI can perform better than virtually every single human on the planet on some test or other and it can perform better than some humans on a vast number of tests. But I have argued that is the wrong criteria to be looking at.

Agree with your points on terminology and the status of AI.

It seems to me your last sentence is looking myopically and solely at negative human employment and associated economics and not the generalized criteria pertaining to definition of AI.

The real criteria is "can it do this very narrowly defined job better than a human"? For example, can a computer do a better job at diagnosing a problem with the car than a human? The answer is yes, 80% of the time. That means you can replace 80% of the mechanics who are diagnosing problems with cars. Can it make a big mac better than a human? Again the answer is yes on a number of critical metrics like cost, reliability and liability.

This is the "real criteria" you are choosing to analyze, but it is not the only sector to analyze nor is it the only perspective for analysis. There seems to much analysis you are not doing. I could just as easily say that 80% more efficient and accurate diagnostics could result in less and cheaper repair time, more cars timely diagnosed and repaired, less down time for the owner, more available time for vehicle use and/or productivity. IOW less of an economic drain on society and less mental and emotional drain when our tools work better and have better uptime. In addition, who is turning the wrenches, crawling under the dash, etc.? It seems there's a long way to go before this equates so simplistically to 80% reduction in human labor.

I used another example elsewhere re: human health. Attempt some math at the economic drain on society of sickness and disease. Replace the diagnosis of the automobile with diagnosis of the health of a human being. Realize that diagnosis can be much better and quicker than it now is. Add in what can be accomplished with AI computational abilities in analyzing and developing the best food and medicinal products and curative procedures. Where does human health and productivity go including the economics of less drain on society from sickness and disease? This is a growing sector of progress right now. What we have had is primitive compared to what will be available and at what costs.

Now add in that human beings can do what AI can only be dreamed of doing in some aspects. What can healthy human beings learn and dream of doing with their extra time and healthy energy? Why is our current economic system and for that matter all of our systems the only or best ways for things to be done? Why do we cling to some things? Why is it that only some tyrannical faction be the one to design and control all human beings? Why are many of the decent men so stuck in passivity? I've listened to some who are not and who are working to see this tech be developed to do good things for people. I've watched and listened to some of the youth today who are assembling, committing and working hard to get rid of the degenerate politics we have today. There are some positive things in process.

Honestly I'm tired of Christian eschatological pessimism and clinging to things they're used to as if this has had good results. Certainly Christ will return at some point. Man was never designed to run things separately from Him, let alone unsaved, unrighteous, ungodly men. But Christians have words and concepts like righteousness, holiness, diligence, perseverance, honor, integrity, working as if for Christ in all things, love, fighting the good fight, etc., etc., etc., as our mandate. Why fear AI or any such tech? Watch it and use it wisely and use human/new creation/creature capacity for thought as He would have it used.

I'll bet most of us will end up using AI just as previous generations of Christians did who looked at now aged tech negatively. There is a lot that is going to change.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Agree with your points on terminology and the status of AI.

ChatGPT leans liberal, research shows
Not just liberal -- Communist
ChatGPT shows 'significant and systemic' left-wing bias, study finds

How A.I. Chatbots Become Political
A.I.’s political problems were starkly illustrated by the disastrous rollout of Google’s Gemini Advanced chatbot last month. A system designed to ensure diversity made a mockery of user requests, including putting people of color in Nazi uniforms when asked for historical images of German soldiers and depicting female quarterbacks as having won the Super Bowl, forcing Google to suspend the creation of pictures of humans entirely. Gemini’s text model often refuses to illustrate, advocate or cite facts for one side of an issue, saying that to do so would be harmful, while having no such objection when the politics of the request are reversed.

 

[ZNP]

Agree with your points on terminology and the status of AI.

It seems to me your last sentence is looking myopically and solely at negative human employment and associated economics and not the generalized criteria pertaining to definition of AI.

Everything that AI does well and there is a very long list, everything you can point to will result in people not being necessary and People not understanding how things work. The story of the mechanic who couldn't fix the car because he couldn't plug in his computer to tell him what was wrong was an example.

But that only skims the surface of all the evil things AI can do. Already they are using it in these wars we are watching. It is much easier for these leaders to fire 300 missiles at each other when it is all done with drones and there are no pilots, no draft, no soldiers needed. This is why the war is escalating between Ukraine and Russia and between Israel and Iran.

And we haven't even started with Deep fakes, or hacking, or surveillance.

They have already figured out that people will be obsolete without a brain chip that connects them to the AI.

So if you can't read the writing on the wall perhaps you should ask the Lord for wisdom. AI is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, if people eat of it then they will be banished from the garden. That is the beast system rising which we were told about in Revelation.

 

[ZNP]

This is the "real criteria" you are choosing to analyze, but it is not the only sector to analyze nor is it the only perspective for analysis. There seems to much analysis you are not doing. I could just as easily say that 80% more efficient and accurate diagnostics could result in less and cheaper repair time, more cars timely diagnosed and repaired, less down time for the owner, more available time for vehicle use and/or productivity. IOW less of an economic drain on society and less mental and emotional drain when our tools work better and have better uptime. In addition, who is turning the wrenches, crawling under the dash, etc.? It seems there's a long way to go before this equates so simplistically to 80% reduction in human labor.

I used another example elsewhere re: human health. Attempt some math at the economic drain on society of sickness and disease. Replace the diagnosis of the automobile with diagnosis of the health of a human being. Realize that diagnosis can be much better and quicker than it now is. Add in what can be accomplished with AI computational abilities in analyzing and developing the best food and medicinal products and curative procedures. Where does human health and productivity go including the economics of less drain on society from sickness and disease? This is a growing sector of progress right now. What we have had is primitive compared to what will be available and at what costs.

Now add in that human beings can do what AI can only be dreamed of doing in some aspects. What can healthy human beings learn and dream of doing with their extra time and healthy energy? Why is our current economic system and for that matter all of our systems the only or best ways for things to be done? Why do we cling to some things? Why is it that only some tyrannical faction be the one to design and control all human beings? Why are many of the decent men so stuck in passivity? I've listened to some who are not and who are working to see this tech be developed to do good things for people. I've watched and listened to some of the youth today who are assembling, committing and working hard to get rid of the degenerate politics we have today. There are some positive things in process.

Honestly I'm tired of Christian eschatological pessimism and clinging to things they're used to as if this has had good results. Certainly Christ will return at some point. Man was never designed to run things separately from Him, let alone unsaved, unrighteous, ungodly men. But Christians have words and concepts like righteousness, holiness, diligence, perseverance, honor, integrity, working as if for Christ in all things, love, fighting the good fight, etc., etc., etc., as our mandate. Why fear AI or any such tech? Watch it and use it wisely and use human/new creation/creature capacity for thought as He would have it used.

I'll bet most of us will end up using AI just as previous generations of Christians did who looked at now aged tech negatively. There is a lot that is going to change.

Yes, all of that is true. It is the tree of the knowledge of good just as much as it is the knowledge of evil.

But the fear is not a seasoned lawyer with 20 years experience using AI to help him prepare a case. The fear is a 4th grader using AI to do his homework, write his papers and appear to be an A+ student when he can barely read at a 3rd grade level. I have talked to teachers who say two years ago their students struggled to get Cs and Bs now all of them turn in perfect HW and papers. What happens when a kid uses AI to do all their work for two or three years. Now this might not be the case with every kid in school, but you can be sure 80% of them will take the easy way out especially when they do the work they get Cs while all the kids who are cheating are getting A+.

I'm not concerned with someone who already has an education using AI as a tool. I am concerned about all of the kids in school using AI so they don't have to get an education.

Honestly I am tired of the blind, gullible and naive Christians who ignore every warning the Lord gave them and all the apostles gave them about wolves in sheep's clothing. Lazy people who know in their heart what the truth is but just hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.

 

[studier]

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil point of view is simply an interpretation at this point, just as is eschatology. I look forward to the exegesis re: the tree on the proper forum.

Gullibility and naivety when it comes to Christians in my experience has to do primarily with hearing and believing erroneous teaching. Eschatology is high on the list of widespread divergent interpretations ranging across the spectrum of past to future. Acceptance of error as truth is a sure path of being wise in one's own eyes.

 

[ZNP]

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil point of view is simply an interpretation at this point, just as is eschatology. I look forward to the exegesis re: the tree on the proper forum.

Gullibility and naivety when it comes to Christians in my experience has to do primarily with hearing and believing erroneous teaching. Eschatology is high on the list of widespread divergent interpretations ranging across the spectrum of past to future. Acceptance of error as truth is a sure path of being wise in one's own eyes.

So to recap our conversation so far

I have pointed to what has happened to China's export economy as a result of 3d printers and used the example of Adidas moving their factory from China to Atlanta. The result has been massive unemployment and a collapse of a significant portion of China's economy.

You in turn are tired of Christians afraid to embrace new technology.

I have also pointed out that world governments have prepared for the response to massive unemployment by running through various possible government responses. China locked people in their apartment buildings to starve and die. Australia built concentration camps in the Outback. Canada froze bank accounts of protestors and the US has used Social media and the MSM to manipulate public perception.

You in turn tell us to look at all the good things that AI will do with cost savings, efficiency, and freeing people up to have more free time.

I have also pointed out that for the last year or even two years for some kids their has been widespread use of AI by kids in school to do their homework and write their papers. The change has been so dramatic some teachers think 100% of their students are doing this. Principals are keeping quiet because it makes it easier to pass kids, for those failing they simply tell them to write a research paper. Teachers are keeping quiet because they are held accountable for passing rates and this makes it simple to raise their passing rates, students are keeping quiet because this makes school much easier. My concern is what happens to kids who skate through school letting AI do all their school work.

You in turn say that gullibility and naivety comes from believing erroneous teaching. Does this mean you agree with this concern as kids will become completely dependent on believing whatever AI tells them? It is hard to say because apparently, in your view this is not the proper forum to discuss this.

 

[studier]

ChatGPT leans liberal, research shows
Not just liberal -- Communist
ChatGPT shows 'significant and systemic' left-wing bias, study finds

How A.I. Chatbots Become Political
A.I.’s political problems were starkly illustrated by the disastrous rollout of Google’s Gemini Advanced chatbot last month. A system designed to ensure diversity made a mockery of user requests, including putting people of color in Nazi uniforms when asked for historical images of German soldiers and depicting female quarterbacks as having won the Super Bowl, forcing Google to suspend the creation of pictures of humans entirely. Gemini’s text model often refuses to illustrate, advocate or cite facts for one side of an issue, saying that to do so would be harmful, while having no such objection when the politics of the request are reversed.

Makes sense that it can be leaning in one direction especially in the direction so prominent in our times. This is why I agree with one of the concerns @ZNP stated re: its influence on children and especially in regard to the Christian worldview. I think I also said something re: my concern that many Christians are using the internet to get "Christian" teaching. Combine these 2 and we have an obvious problem to consider as Christians. But I know of some Christians who are supposedly already working on this problem.

There's little doubt the tech is being and will be used for evil, as is maybe any and every tool. Many of the prominent developers know it can be dangerous and that there are potentially profound moral implications involved. The problem with morality is that it is subjective in many to most minds. For them there are no absolutes.

I've stated some opinions on the good the tech can be used for. I'm not unaware of the evil uses nor am I unaware of the [subjective] morality of some who have moral concerns.

 

[ZNP]

Evil AI: These are the 20 most dangerous crimes that artificial intelligence will create

https://www.zdnet.com/article/evil-...mes-that-artificial-intelligence-will-create/

• AI-enabled crimes of high concern: Deepfakes; driverless vehicles as a weapon; tailored phishing; disrupting AI-controlled systems; large-scale blackmail; AI-authored fake news.
• AI-enabled crimes of moderate concern: Misuse of military robots; snake oil; data poisoning; learning-based cyberattacks; autonomous attack drones; denial of access to online activities; tricking face recognition; manipulating financial or stock markets.
• AI-enabled crimes of low concern: Burglar bots; evading AI detection; AI-authored fake reviews; AI-assisted stalking; forgery of content such as art or music.

 

[ZNP]

Evil AI: These are the 20 most dangerous crimes that artificial intelligence will create

https://www.zdnet.com/article/evil-...mes-that-artificial-intelligence-will-create/

• AI-enabled crimes of high concern: Deepfakes; driverless vehicles as a weapon; tailored phishing; disrupting AI-controlled systems; large-scale blackmail; AI-authored fake news.
• AI-enabled crimes of moderate concern: Misuse of military robots; snake oil; data poisoning; learning-based cyberattacks; autonomous attack drones; denial of access to online activities; tricking face recognition; manipulating financial or stock markets.
• AI-enabled crimes of low concern: Burglar bots; evading AI detection; AI-authored fake reviews; AI-assisted stalking; forgery of content such as art or music.

I find it very interesting that they don't even address my biggest concern, it isn't even on their radar! Or do they just not want to mention it? Kids use AI to write their papers, do their homework, and after a year or two will become completely dependent on AI to pass their classes and then after another year or two AI will be the arbiter of truth. If AI said it then it has to be right because their entire life is built on AI as their foundation. At this point, and it probably only takes 4 years and we are already past the first year of that four, these kids will be completely obsolete. There is no reason a company would need to hire them when they have AI. But that is where it gets really bad because there is a solution for that, you can get Elon Musk's neuralink, hook up your brain to the AI. This will provide AI with a whole new data stream where they can truly and completely understand humans and learn to replace them. Neuralink people will be like bees in a beehive or ants in an anthill.

 

[studier]

I have pointed to what has happened to China's export economy as a result of 3d printers and used the example of Adidas moving their factory from China to Atlanta. The result has been massive unemployment and a collapse of a significant portion of China's economy.

And a likely an increase in Atlanta's economy. Bad for China. Good for Atlanta. The ebb and flow of economics in a global economy. The rise and fall of nations. What's new?

Do we think China rests there or works to rise from those ashes? As long as we draw breath, do we exert effort to stand after we fall or do we lay there and wait for the Lord to return because we project He'll arrive in a few minutes?

You in turn are tired of Christians afraid to embrace new technology.

I chose not to see if I could join the Amish. I use computers, drive cars, had fun driving an EV for the first time, watch some TV, listened to radios and now digital, look forward to new tech in medical diagnosis having know for 45 years that it had to come someday.... I'm fascinated by the work men created in God's image are doing to understand His creation and how they might work within the physics of His creation to make things we have yet maybe only dreamed about. I don't think jets and rockets are the end of travel tech. Listening to the development and state of theoretical physics, I find myself smiling here and there as it seems God is toying with men and their theories. They think they prove a theory and then find something else - something they have not even thought possible - that modifies, supplements or destroys their old theories. I think this all goes on until it doesn't and that we don't choose when that point is.

You are communicating with me on the internet, correct?

I mentioned an interesting book I recently read. You seem like the type who might enjoy it: Zero book. If you decide to read it, note the chapter on how the Church attempted to hinder the study and theory to protect its views of reality. It lost the battle.

I believe in Christ but share the views of some who don't re: what some "Christians" think and do. There's a reason within Christianity that there are Christians who have coined words like "christendom", "churchianity", etc... There is recognition that there are problems within. Many who profess to be attached to the Head aren't really led and guided by Him.

I have also pointed out that world governments have prepared for the response to massive unemployment by running through various possible government responses. China locked people in their apartment buildings to starve and die. Australia built concentration camps in the Outback. Canada froze bank accounts of protestors and the US has used Social media and the MSM to manipulate public perception.

You theorize that AI is the sole reason for such activity. Others theorize there are other reasons. There are likely many reasons. I'm cautious of people who think they have it all figured out.

You in turn tell us to look at all the good things that AI will do with cost savings, efficiency, and freeing people up to have more free time.

I'm simply taking up the other side of the argument to provide some counter to your end of days eschatology. You simply do not present all sides of the story and I am one of those who do not rest on men's eschatological interpretations. In actuality you oversimplify my point of view and enter into a form of fallacious argument to make your position sound better, while even your math is highly questionable.

I have also pointed out that for the last year or even two years for some kids their has been widespread use of AI by kids in school to do their homework and write their papers. The change has been so dramatic some teachers think 100% of their students are doing this. Principals are keeping quiet because it makes it easier to pass kids, for those failing they simply tell them to write a research paper. Teachers are keeping quiet because they are held accountable for passing rates and this makes it simple to raise their passing rates, students are keeping quiet because this makes school much easier. My concern is what happens to kids who skate through school letting AI do all their school work

I'm not reading this closely. I have elsewhere stated that I share some of your concerns re: the youth who have undeveloped frames of reference. I view public education systems as a great problem. If I had young children I doubt I'd have them in the system and I know I wouldn't have them learning The Faith on the internet apart from my guidance.

You in turn say that gullibility and naivety comes from believing erroneous teaching. Does this mean you agree with this concern as kids will become completely dependent on believing whatever AI tells them? It is hard to say because apparently, in your view this is not the proper forum to discuss this.

Some of this is answered above. I would correct your last sentence to point out that I suggested being open to your exegetical study proving AI is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden and that I essentially said the News Forum is likely not the Forum to undertake such a study.

Honestly, at this juncture, we have only had discussion on this Forum. We have little knowledge of one another's abilities in Scripture. I know I don't share your eschatology and find your correlation of AI to Daniel and the Tree highly questionable. But I'm grounded in my Faith and cautiously open to well reasoned exegetical work knowing it is still being done and keeping up on some of it.

 

[ZNP]

Indeed.com Shocking Report: 70% Collapse In Jobs

Instead of listening to happy talk why not look at the truth and the real data. Or just bury your head in the sand, up to you.

 

[ZNP]

Youth unemployment in East Asia: What are the causes, and what can be done?

Youth jobless rate in China is 21.3% as of June 2023 (China is not very forthcoming with their data)

As a result of this China changed their metric for unemployment which excludes students (problem solved).

 

[studier]

I find it very interesting that they don't even address my biggest concern, it isn't even on their radar! Or do they just not want to mention it?

Nice to know what your biggest concern is. I thought it was auto mechanics - a.k.a. unemployment.

I've heard some names in the industry speak of what your concern is. So, it is on the radar of some. It's likely that it's not on the radar of others and that others do not want to mention it. Different people, different agendas.

The rest of your post looks like the recap of movies that have already been made. Earlier in the discussion re: tools, 2001 a Space Odyssey came to mind in the scene where the ape discovers the usefulness of a rock to hit and break something for productive purposes and eventually uses a club to beat another ape to death. I think this was the prelude to the ape becoming a man.

Variations on a theme. It's the timing at question. Some apes probably just continued to use the rock or club and later a hammer to break walnuts or something. As some of the discussions on topics of guns go, is it the gun or the user that's a problem. It's primarily the user, but the argument that we should not have rocks or clubs because of bad users was lost long, long ago in the advent of good and bad.

 

[ZNP]

"We have seen the current situation in the past"

What many are saying is that although the data is certainly alarming in certain areas it has happened before, so the world has recovered from this kind of thing before.

Sure, as a result of the Industrial revolution we had the Civil war which was fought not just for human rights, but because the new paradigm made slavery a failed economic system.

You can also look at WW1, because of the industrial revolution you needed raw materials on a much larger scale. Today AI needs data on a larger scale. Companies like Google have the most data, but the mandated tests for Covid are thought to be a massive search for genetic data. Google is a major owner of data, but the idea behind Neuralink is a whole new market in data that could completely surpass google.

You can also look at WW2 because economic conditions were the underlying cause. Hyperinflation, inequitable distribution of wealth, and the elites fear of communism in Russia.

So yes, we have seen the current situation in the past it is like being right before the Civil War, WW1 and WW2 all at the same time.

 

[studier]

Indeed.com Shocking Report: 70% Collapse In Jobs

Instead of listening to happy talk why not look at the truth and the real data. Or just bury your head in the sand, up to you.

Seems the end of the story is that things have gone back to status quo after bubbles burst.

On another note, just what data do we trust today and what man on YouTube do we trust to analyze and reach conclusions concerning it? We are to trust men who are able to analyze a minute fraction of the data that AI will be able to do as a tool for men?

 

[ZNP]

Honestly, at this juncture, we have only had discussion on this Forum. We have little knowledge of one another's abilities in Scripture. I know I don't share your eschatology and find your correlation of AI to Daniel and the Tree highly questionable. But I'm grounded in my Faith and cautiously open to well reasoned exegetical work knowing it is still being done and keeping up on some of it.

I don't care for the Bible discussion threads. I have tried them a few times but I'm not interested in debates over Bible interpretation. About 33% of my posts, around 12,000, are in my blog "summary of Bible references concerning the rapture". I discuss the Beast system there, I discuss Daniel there, and I post links to many others also looking at these topics. I don't have any issue with people who hold a different view or interpretation of the Bible to me as long as it is Biblically based, sheds light on the scripture, and adds to the discussion. By adding to the discussion I simply mean I don't post links that I find repetitive and simply repeating something that has already been posted.

I use these threads to kick around ideas that don't quite meet that standard in hopes I'll get some insight into the word of God and then it will go to my blog.

 

[studier]

As a result of this China changed their metric for unemployment which excludes students (problem solved).

Same as the US gov't does with its data to make a current admin seem like it's doing a good job.

 

[ZNP]

Seems the end of the story is that things have gone back to status quo after bubbles burst.

I used to be a stock broker and learned that there is always an equal and opposite line of reasoning. If I had a strong case for buying a stock someone else could make a strong case for not buying it. That is why the price is where it is. It is finely tuned between those who think it is too high with those who think it is too low. But the nice thing about stocks, you place your bets and you see who is right in six months to a year.

On another note, just what data do we trust today and what man on YouTube do we trust to analyze and reach conclusions concerning it? We are to trust men who are able to analyze a minute fraction of the data that AI will be able to do as a tool for men?

James said if you lack wisdom ask of God who gives liberally.

Jesus said "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks". You can see what is in people's hearts by what they are saying. I discovered as a stock broker many who are telling you to "buy" are doing so because they are trying to sell. So simply listening to an argument is foolish, you will be deceived at least half the time.

We have another expression and that is "the money doesn't lie". Just like the proverb don't look at what they say, look at what they do.

Billionaires buying bunkers -- that is an example of looking at what they do.

Jaimie Diamond selling 250 million worth of JP Morgan stock -- that is an example of what they are doing.

Lawfare against Trump.

A worldwide response to a "pandemic" which was completely exaggerated

Wars in Ukraine and MidEast.

BRICS

You can't listen to all the happy talk, actions speak louder than words.

 

[ZNP]

Unhumansbook.com

Yes we can learn from history about what will happen. When kids spend $240k to $360k for a four year degree only to learn they can't get a job we'll have "cultural revolution 2.0".