The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

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Genez

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One does not have to know he is a witch to be a witch...
One can even claim to be a Christian.....


Selby says the appeal of being a witch comes from the inclusivity, accessibility
and openness to interpretation. “It's a completely customisable practice,” she explains.
“Whatever your spirituality, it helps deepen that connection and make it stronger.”
It's also become embedded in popular culture.

https://www.wired.com/story/witchcraft-tiktok/
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Thunderrr-mental

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Genez said:
One does not have to know he is a witch to be a witch...
One can even claim to be a Christian.....


Selby says the appeal of being a witch comes from the inclusivity, accessibility
and openness to interpretation. “It's a completely customisable practice,” she explains.
“Whatever your spirituality, it helps deepen that connection and make it stronger.”
It's also become embedded in popular culture.

https://www.wired.com/story/witchcraft-tiktok/
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I see someone is back to there old Jewish ways cursing Christians.

It quite evidently so that this person has a massive chip on his shoulder

Anyway I have a nice song for him

As no doubt he's in exile too


 
Genez

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If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas....


(In Latin, qui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent)


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Thunderrr-mental

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Genez said:


If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas....


(In Latin, qui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent)


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sorry but my dogs Shem and Japheth, are guard dogs.

They protect my children, and for that reason they get deflead in a pre booked grooming appointment once a month where by they get an all over shampoo and even a hair cut.

Also I think we can see this person where talking to here is obviously has his heart set on insulting.

It's quite obvious that he's a Jew in exile
 
Cameron143

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Magenta said:
I choose to believe there are no cookie-cutter answers to this question, and that how consciousness works is largely a mystery, though many books have been written to help people make better choices in life. God also desires people to choose life, which is in His Son, and this is made plain in Scripture. I also know that a choice was put to me at a time in my life when I was incapable of choosing to believe. Following that, many things happened, some of which propelled, not compelled, me onto a path that eventually led me to coming to believe. Wrapped up in that was my awareness that I had finally laid down my opposition to God and all things Biblical, including Christianity, though not before wailing, I am becoming one of them. Did I choose that? I did not make choices then that impeded such. This whole idea of choice being conflated with the will and our ability to make choices being called free will is wrong, and I know we agree on that. So much of the rest of it seems to be somewhat a difference in semantics. Still, God says to choose life, and there is only one way to do that.
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I agree that much of the confusion is semantics. Part of this is because I'm choosing wording on the fly. I've never read or heard what I am trying to explain, so the verbiage is as new to me as you.
Part of the confusion is also due to the difference in covenants, and what each calls for. Those to whom Joshua was addressing had very good reason to make a choice. They were under a covenant of works. The whole covenant involves choices. I don't believe this is so in the new covenant. It is a works covenant, but not for us. Further, it's a fulfilled covenant. There are absolutely no choices we can make that will alter the covenant. We can only be a part of it or not. And since the covenant can only be entered through faith and I believe faith is a gift of God, I don't believe our choice has anything to do with salvation.
That is not to say that we won't make choices subsequent to salvation. Those choices will be very different from the ones we were accustomed to making.
As far as the myriad ways individuals come to believe and are saved, I believe this is a testimony to the infinity of God. And some of my finest hours have been spent listening to or reading about stories recounting the wonders and ways God has exercised His grace towards His own.
 
Genez

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Thunderrr-mental said:
sorry but my dogs Shem and Japheth, are guard dogs.

They protect my children, and for that reason they get defeated in a pree booked grooming appointment once a month where by get an all over shampoo and even a hair cut.

Also I think we can see this person where talking to here is obviously has his heart set on insulting.

It's quite obvious that he's a Jew in exile
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Sounds to me you obviously have money.... No?
Is that money to be your salvation in this life?
Have your spirits guided you well into earthly security?


Your trophies are the ones in the forum you can get to react and get them banned...

In contrast.. God's trophies are the born again Christians that keep resisting you while growing in grace and knowledge.

See? Even you will serve a purpose for God's benefit of His people. ;) ...... God needs fertilizer to make the Vine stronger!


Suggestion: You better stop showing us that you are antisemitic.
For God will have a curse on you if you do not stop. (Genesis 12:3)

In spite of your hatred... God is not done with the Jews yet.
He has them scattered around the world now as a means to protect them.
God will bring them back in to Israel after the Tribulation is over to set up His Throne in Jerusalem.
Then He will sit on the Throne of David and once again have the Millennium Jews be His people..

You lack understanding.
But, you do not lack in bias and prejudice.
God wants to weed that out of you before its too late...

Paul was a Jew. Peter was a Jew.

And? Jesus was a Jew.

Something is very wrong with your thinking.



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Genez

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Thunderrr-mental said:
Well whatever but I'm not concerned by your favouritism
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I have angels dancing and laughing in my back yard.

They know victory when they see it....

They have seen all kinds come against the Lord....

:)
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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selahsays said:
Are you a false teacher?
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I haven't said anything false but if I did I would repent of it, not make false accusations against other people and gaslight them like you've done.

But I'm not worried. I've conducted this entire discourse abiding in the Holy Spirit because that's what we're suppose to do. You on the other hand have completely operated in your own flesh and grieved the Holy Spirit. Which is shocking considering you "claim" to have been saved since 1976. You obviously haven't learned much since you were so vindictive in this thread toward me and Niki7.

You also have a lot of pride and unwilling to admit when you're wrong. Sooner or later, if you really belong to God, He will burn that right out of you, but if you're too stubborn and refuse correction, ask yourself if you really do live for God or just a Christian in name only.


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FollowerofShiloh

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Genez said:
Who knows? If King David played electric guitar? :unsure: :coffee::coffee::coffee:


grace and peace ...........
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I think King David could definitely get down and jam. He definitely had no problem dancing when the Ark was coming back to Judah

Shalom Brother
 
Thunderrr-mental

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Genez said:
Sounds to me you obviously have money.... No?
Is that money to be your salvation in this life?
Have your spirits guided you well into earthly security?


Your trophies are the ones in the forum you can get to react and get them banned...

In contrast.. God's trophies are the born again Christians that keep resisting you while growing in grace and knowledge.

See? Even you will serve a purpose for God's benefit of His people. ;) ...... God needs fertilizer to make the Vine stronger!


Suggestion: You better stop showing us that you are antisemitic.
For God will have a curse on you if you do not stop. (Genesis 12:3)

In spite of your hatred... God is not done with the Jews yet.
He has them scattered around the world now as a means to protect them.
God will bring them back in to Israel after the Tribulation is over to set up His Throne in Jerusalem.
Then He will sit on the Throne of David and once again have the Millennium Jews be His people..

You lack understanding.
But, you do not lack in bias and prejudice.
God wants to weed that out of you before its too late...

Paul was a Jew. Peter was a Jew.

And? Jesus was a Jew.

Something is very wrong with your thinking.



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Well what I have firstly isn't your business,

Why do you think you can get to know a person by chucking stones.

Is it your Jewish nature to chuck stones, because it looks like you've got a whopping great pile there

Your empty threats means nothing to,

And as for you playing moderator, you've got a long way to go before you have any descent moderator skills.

If I was you I would stop trying to please the crowd.

And take a look in the mirror.

Where i hope it doesn't crack because of your reflection of cursing you keep showing.

I would also pray to God and ask him to search your heart and soften it before it sets like concrete if it hasn't already 😊

On a last note another Jewish song for you

Maybe this Jewish singer will help you feel at home instead of being the villain

 
Magenta

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Cameron143 said:
I agree that much of the confusion is semantics. Part of this is because I'm choosing wording on the fly. I've never read or heard what I am trying to explain, so the verbiage is as new to me as you.
Part of the confusion is also due to the difference in covenants, and what each calls for. Those to whom Joshua was addressing had very good reason to make a choice. They were under a covenant of works. The whole covenant involves choices. I don't believe this is so in the new covenant. It is a works covenant, but not for us. Further, it's a fulfilled covenant. There are absolutely no choices we can make that will alter the covenant. We can only be a part of it or not. And since the covenant can only be entered through faith and I believe faith is a gift of God, I don't believe our choice has anything to do with salvation.
That is not to say that we won't make choices subsequent to salvation. Those choices will be very different from the ones we were accustomed to making.
As far as the myriad ways individuals come to believe and are saved, I believe this is a testimony to the infinity of God. And some of my finest hours have been spent listening to or reading about stories recounting the wonders and ways God has exercised His grace towards His own.
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In the days of Joshua along with Moses, the people had been given so many "proofs" of God being with them, of leading them, of revealing Himself to them, mainly through Moses for a time, and then through Joshua, but also through many signs and wonders that allowed/forced Pharaoh to free them, such as the ten plagues being a highlight of all that preceded their release from slavery in Egypt, as God showed forth His power against their false idols and gods, one of whom was Pharaoh himself. All crossed the parted Red Sea also, with not a drop of water wetting any of them. How amazing such an escape from bondage! So they had plenty of empirical evidence on which to base their choice to believe... and still many chose not to, and even Moses was not allowed entry into the promised land. God commanded them to circumcise their hearts, and yet we now know our heart/s is/are circumcised not by human hands. This heart circumcision in my view is key in anyone's journey of coming to believe, and it seems many overlook to say that any man is free to believe, despite Scripture attesting to the fact that the natural man does not accept the things of God, since he is hostile in his mind toward Him. Still, all know there is a God, and it is incumbent upon man to seek out the truth of this matter, and also promised that those who seek shall find.
 
Genez

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FollowerofShiloh said:
I think King David could definitely get down and jam. He definitely had no problem dancing when the Ark was coming back to Judah

Shalom Brother
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I am deeply looking forward to see what kind of drums the Lord may provide me to play on when I have my Resurrection body.

Psalm 150:3-6

Praise him with music!
Yes! Use trumpets, harps and lyres
to praise God!
Dance and hit drums to praise him!
Make music with harps and flutes
to praise him!
Make music with big cymbals and small cymbals
to praise him!

Praise the Lord.
 
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