MYSTERY, BABYLON
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Well you tell me. Who is it that God used to take ALL ISREAL, and scatter them over the earth?? Was it babylon?
Dan 1
1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it. 2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with some of the articles of the house of God, which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the articles into the treasure house of his god.
3 Then the king instructed Ashpenaz, the master of his eunuchs, to bring some of the children of Israel and some of the king’s descendants and some of the nobles, 4 young men in whom there was no blemish, but good-looking, gifted in all wisdom, possessing knowledge and quick to understand, who had ability to serve in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the language and literature of the Chaldeans.
Then if yu wish you can read 2 kings 24. Where at all times during the babylonian captivity, there was a jewish king (although a puppet king) and although the temple was destroyed. Many people were left in the land.
None remained except the poorest people of the land. 15 And he carried Jehoiachin captive to Babylon. The king’s mother, the king’s wives, his officers, and the mighty of the land he carried into captivity from Jerusalem to Babylon. 16 All the valiant men, seven thousand, and craftsmen and smiths, one thousand, all who were strong and fit for war, these the king of Babylon brought captive to Babylon.
17 Then the king of Babylon made Mattaniah, Jehoiachin’s[a] uncle, king in his place, and changed his name to Zedekiah.
It does not say this in the passages we both read, It says ALL Isreal was removed from the land and scattered throughout the WHOLE WORLD.
so who did this Doc? Last I read (Unless you can show me where it happened between the time the the people returned and titus) It did not happen until Tius and his armies did it.
WHo was Titus a commander of. and what army?
Did you say ROME!!
If your truthful to yourself and the rest us, the answer would be yes!
Face it doc. You lost all arguments when you took passages out of context to prove your point.
Dan 1
1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it. 2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with some of the articles of the house of God, which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the articles into the treasure house of his god.
3 Then the king instructed Ashpenaz, the master of his eunuchs, to bring some of the children of Israel and some of the king’s descendants and some of the nobles, 4 young men in whom there was no blemish, but good-looking, gifted in all wisdom, possessing knowledge and quick to understand, who had ability to serve in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the language and literature of the Chaldeans.
Then if yu wish you can read 2 kings 24. Where at all times during the babylonian captivity, there was a jewish king (although a puppet king) and although the temple was destroyed. Many people were left in the land.
None remained except the poorest people of the land. 15 And he carried Jehoiachin captive to Babylon. The king’s mother, the king’s wives, his officers, and the mighty of the land he carried into captivity from Jerusalem to Babylon. 16 All the valiant men, seven thousand, and craftsmen and smiths, one thousand, all who were strong and fit for war, these the king of Babylon brought captive to Babylon.
17 Then the king of Babylon made Mattaniah, Jehoiachin’s[a] uncle, king in his place, and changed his name to Zedekiah.
It does not say this in the passages we both read, It says ALL Isreal was removed from the land and scattered throughout the WHOLE WORLD.
so who did this Doc? Last I read (Unless you can show me where it happened between the time the the people returned and titus) It did not happen until Tius and his armies did it.
WHo was Titus a commander of. and what army?
Did you say ROME!!
If your truthful to yourself and the rest us, the answer would be yes!
Face it doc. You lost all arguments when you took passages out of context to prove your point.
What are you on about man?
This verse:
(Isaiah 48:20) Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob.
Is a direct command to those who were exiled IN ANCIENT BABYLON commanding them to depart from it.
It's talking about LITERAL ancient babylon.
your question was:
Why would God tell Israel to FLEE FROM BABYLON if they were babylon??
Forget about Judah/Israel/Jerusalem distinctions and who/who wasnt in exile. The point is APOSTATE HEBREWS are the HARLOT. Isaiah told the exiles to get out of REAL babylon.
Israel were not Babylon in the OT. they were Israel, and they played the Harlot by commiting adultery with pagans. Babylon was the heart of paganism back then.
In the NT apostate Israel is compared to babylon because of her continued abominations that made her such a harlot.
Oh boy...nitpicky? Thats what I meant.
Anyone in Christ counts as His national people. they count as the seed.
I know babylon is not Jerusalem. Babylon was an ancient pagan Kingdom.
Jerusalem is the Mother of Harlots.
This verse:
(Isaiah 48:20) Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob.
Is a direct command to those who were exiled IN ANCIENT BABYLON commanding them to depart from it.
It's talking about LITERAL ancient babylon.
your question was:
Why would God tell Israel to FLEE FROM BABYLON if they were babylon??
Forget about Judah/Israel/Jerusalem distinctions and who/who wasnt in exile. The point is APOSTATE HEBREWS are the HARLOT. Isaiah told the exiles to get out of REAL babylon.
Israel were not Babylon in the OT. they were Israel, and they played the Harlot by commiting adultery with pagans. Babylon was the heart of paganism back then.
In the NT apostate Israel is compared to babylon because of her continued abominations that made her such a harlot.
Oh boy...nitpicky? Thats what I meant.
Anyone in Christ counts as His national people. they count as the seed.
I know babylon is not Jerusalem. Babylon was an ancient pagan Kingdom.
Jerusalem is the Mother of Harlots.
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so your gonna deny that Babylon did not remove ALL jews from Israel as was prophesied?? You not going to admit until Rome in AD 70 did this very thing that it had never been done before?
So tell me. Did Daniel flee Babylon? How about meeshac shadrack and abendigo? Why did they not do what God commanded?
you don't make sense.
God tells them to flee the very nation God said he would order to destroy jerusalem and take them captive?? What is God telling a joke or something? Do this. Oh but wait, you can't I won't let you.
So who is babylon? Babylon, Syria? Rome? or the system Israel had been playing the harlot with??
We know now it is not Babylon the city or the major power on the earth. So that leaves us with three options.
and you want me to consider what you say??
See what? Who said I was waiting to see it. It may not happen for another hundred years. I won't be around. I am just looking at what God said, And I believe him.
So tell me. Did Daniel flee Babylon? How about meeshac shadrack and abendigo? Why did they not do what God commanded?
you don't make sense.
God tells them to flee the very nation God said he would order to destroy jerusalem and take them captive?? What is God telling a joke or something? Do this. Oh but wait, you can't I won't let you.
So who is babylon? Babylon, Syria? Rome? or the system Israel had been playing the harlot with??
We know now it is not Babylon the city or the major power on the earth. So that leaves us with three options.
and you want me to consider what you say??
See what? Who said I was waiting to see it. It may not happen for another hundred years. I won't be around. I am just looking at what God said, And I believe him.
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Here you go taking a passage out of context again.
17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
“I am the LORD your God,
Who teaches you to profit,
Who leads you by the way you should go.
18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
19 Your descendants also would have been like the sand,
And the offspring of your body like the grains of sand;
His name would not have been cut off
Nor destroyed from before Me.”
20 Go forth from Babylon!
Flee from the Chaldeans!
With a voice of singing,
Declare, proclaim this,
Utter it to the end of the earth;
Say, “The LORD has redeemed
His servant Jacob!”
They were taken because of their disobaying. They were taken because they played the harlot. Who is the harlot?? BABYLON. God is telling them to flee what they are doing. When he does this he will do this.
21 And they did not thirst
When He led them through the deserts;
He caused the waters to flow from the rock for them;
He also split the rock, and the waters gushed out.
22 “There is no peace,” says the LORD, “for the wicked.
Wow, that interesting. God destroyed babylon by the meds and persions. And Israel was still in captivity. WHy did Gods prophesy not come true? Iven when they did return to jerusalem. This did not happen. THEY WERE STILL UNDER CAPTIVITY.
They had to get permision to rebuild the temple., the streets the city. Why? Because they were still under captivity/. Even up to AD 70, they were still under captivity. So why is it these things were never done yet? Because it is not the city babylon. It is the HARLOT God is telling them to depart from. When they do he will give them peace. You yourself sho0w they are still playing the harlot. WHen have they stopped? So here we have prophesy NOT FULFILLED>
not to mention you totally skipped this.
12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The LORD loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
Why did God tell ISRAEL to gather and say he would destroy babylon and the chaldeans if Israel is babylon??
Try reading context and stop picking and chosing what verses support your theory,
Not according to ezekial. Not according to Jeremiah. Which by the way. Why did you skip that passage? It proves babylon was not Israel. You did not even respond. Naughty man!!
Yet the time of the gentile will end (church) and the time of Israel will be restoreed. Jacob AND israel, who were scattered because of her sin, will be returned to her land. I showed you ALL the passages which prove this. You ignore it. I can not ignore scripture!
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I know babylon is not Jerusalem. Babylon was an ancient pagan Kingdom.
Jerusalem is the Mother of Harlots.[/quote]
Wrong again. Babylon is the mother of Harlots. It started in Babylon. It spread to syria, chaldia, and all over the world until it ended in rome.
Jersualem is Gods city. How dare you! He cried for his own city. Prophesied its destruction. But said quite plainly when Israel repents, he will restore them and his city.
You have to remove half of the passages we are talking about for your belief to even have a whimper of hope. I can't remove scripture!
17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
“I am the LORD your God,
Who teaches you to profit,
Who leads you by the way you should go.
18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
19 Your descendants also would have been like the sand,
And the offspring of your body like the grains of sand;
His name would not have been cut off
Nor destroyed from before Me.”
20 Go forth from Babylon!
Flee from the Chaldeans!
With a voice of singing,
Declare, proclaim this,
Utter it to the end of the earth;
Say, “The LORD has redeemed
His servant Jacob!”
They were taken because of their disobaying. They were taken because they played the harlot. Who is the harlot?? BABYLON. God is telling them to flee what they are doing. When he does this he will do this.
21 And they did not thirst
When He led them through the deserts;
He caused the waters to flow from the rock for them;
He also split the rock, and the waters gushed out.
22 “There is no peace,” says the LORD, “for the wicked.
Wow, that interesting. God destroyed babylon by the meds and persions. And Israel was still in captivity. WHy did Gods prophesy not come true? Iven when they did return to jerusalem. This did not happen. THEY WERE STILL UNDER CAPTIVITY.
They had to get permision to rebuild the temple., the streets the city. Why? Because they were still under captivity/. Even up to AD 70, they were still under captivity. So why is it these things were never done yet? Because it is not the city babylon. It is the HARLOT God is telling them to depart from. When they do he will give them peace. You yourself sho0w they are still playing the harlot. WHen have they stopped? So here we have prophesy NOT FULFILLED>
not to mention you totally skipped this.
12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The LORD loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
Why did God tell ISRAEL to gather and say he would destroy babylon and the chaldeans if Israel is babylon??
Try reading context and stop picking and chosing what verses support your theory,
Not according to ezekial. Not according to Jeremiah. Which by the way. Why did you skip that passage? It proves babylon was not Israel. You did not even respond. Naughty man!!
Yet the time of the gentile will end (church) and the time of Israel will be restoreed. Jacob AND israel, who were scattered because of her sin, will be returned to her land. I showed you ALL the passages which prove this. You ignore it. I can not ignore scripture!
[/quote]
I know babylon is not Jerusalem. Babylon was an ancient pagan Kingdom.
Jerusalem is the Mother of Harlots.[/quote]
Wrong again. Babylon is the mother of Harlots. It started in Babylon. It spread to syria, chaldia, and all over the world until it ended in rome.
Jersualem is Gods city. How dare you! He cried for his own city. Prophesied its destruction. But said quite plainly when Israel repents, he will restore them and his city.
You have to remove half of the passages we are talking about for your belief to even have a whimper of hope. I can't remove scripture!
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By the way Doc. Your not getting out of it. Respond to this. Or better yet just read it. You can't respond to it. so I understand why you did not.
Just like many. You post part of the passage but you ignore the rest. I can mnake anything say whaever the heck I want also. But Why would I want to do this?
Is 47: 2-6
Take the millstones and grind meal.
Remove your veil,
Take off the skirt,
Uncover the thigh,
Pass through the rivers.
3 Your nakedness shall be uncovered,
Yes, your shame will be seen;
I will take vengeance,
And I will not arbitrate with a man.”
4 As for our Redeemer, the LORD of hosts is His name,
The HOLY ONE OF ISREAL.
5 “Sit in silence, and go into darkness,
O daughter of the Chaldeans;
For you shall no longer be called
The Lady of Kingdoms.
6 I WAS ANGRY WITH MY PEOPLE;
I havePROFANED MY INHERITANCE
And GIVEN THEM INTO YOUR HAND.
You SHOWED THEM NO MERY:;
On the elderly you laid your yoke very heavily.
7 And you said, ‘I shall be a lady forever,’
So that you did not take these things to heart,
Nor remember the LATTER END OF THEM.
8 “Therefore hear this now, you who are given to pleasures,
Who dwell securely,
Who say in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me;
I shall not sit as a widow,
Nor shall I know the loss of children’;
9 But these two things shall come to you
In a moment, in one day:
The loss of children, and widowhood.
They shall come upon you in their fullness
Because of the multitude of your sorceries,
For the great abundance of your enchantments.
10 “For you have trusted in your wickedness;
You have said, ‘No one sees me’;
Your wisdom and your knowledge have warped you;
And you have said in your heart,
‘I am, and there is no one else besides me.’
Did you think I was not going to test what you wrote? You should know better than that!
Who spoke?? THE GOD OF ISREAL
WHo did he call babylon? THOSE WHO HE GAVE HIS PEOPLE (ISRAEL) to BECAUSE OF THEIR DISOBEDIENCE.
why is he angry at Babylon?
THEY SHOWED HIS PEOPLE NO MERCY.
why? THEY FORGOT THE END.
They thought they were it. They were safe. No one would harm them. They are Gods true Bride. so who would hurt them? they have no end.
Yet., Sounds just like the roman church.
and then we move just a chapter over what do we see??
12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The LORD loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
16 “Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit
Have sent Me.”
17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
“I am the LORD your God,
Who teaches you to profit,
Who leads you by the way you should go.
18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
19 Your descendants also would have been like the sand,
And the offspring of your body like the grains of sand;
His name would not have been cut off
Nor destroyed from before Me.”
20 Go forth from Babylon!
Flee from the Chaldeans!
With a voice of singing,
Declare, proclaim this,
Utter it to the end of the earth;
Say, “The LORD has redeemed
His servant Jacob!”
21 And they did not thirst
When He led them through the deserts;
He caused the waters to flow from the rock for them;
He also split the rock, and the waters gushed out.
22 “There is no peace,” says the LORD, “for the wicked.
So tell me. why would God tell Israel to FLEE FROM BABYLON if they were babylon??
Why did the Lord say he would REDEEM ALL ISREAL? SOunds just like what paul said, When the times of the gentiles has been completed. ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED.
5 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:
“ The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins
Sound familiar? This is just what Ezekial prophesied. And paul warned us against this. WHen the times of the gentiles have been comlete (They forgot the end) ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED. and they will be RETURNED TO THERE LAND.
He wanred us not to be wise. to think we know it all. and can never be destroyed. That is exactly what Ezekial said about babylon. Do we want to be them??
And you want me to listen to you??
Originally Posted by Strangelove
Jerusalem:
Isaiah 47:7 You said, 'I will continue forever— the eternal queen! ' But you did not consider these things or reflect on what mighthappen. 8 "Now then, listen, you wanton creature, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, 'I am, and there is none besides me. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.' 9 Both of these will overtake you in a moment, on a single day: loss of children and widowhood. They will come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and all your potent spells.
The Harlot:
Revelation 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Same same.
Jerusalem:
Isaiah 47:7 You said, 'I will continue forever— the eternal queen! ' But you did not consider these things or reflect on what mighthappen. 8 "Now then, listen, you wanton creature, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, 'I am, and there is none besides me. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.' 9 Both of these will overtake you in a moment, on a single day: loss of children and widowhood. They will come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and all your potent spells.
The Harlot:
Revelation 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Same same.
Is 47: 2-6
Take the millstones and grind meal.
Remove your veil,
Take off the skirt,
Uncover the thigh,
Pass through the rivers.
3 Your nakedness shall be uncovered,
Yes, your shame will be seen;
I will take vengeance,
And I will not arbitrate with a man.”
4 As for our Redeemer, the LORD of hosts is His name,
The HOLY ONE OF ISREAL.
5 “Sit in silence, and go into darkness,
O daughter of the Chaldeans;
For you shall no longer be called
The Lady of Kingdoms.
6 I WAS ANGRY WITH MY PEOPLE;
I havePROFANED MY INHERITANCE
And GIVEN THEM INTO YOUR HAND.
You SHOWED THEM NO MERY:;
On the elderly you laid your yoke very heavily.
7 And you said, ‘I shall be a lady forever,’
So that you did not take these things to heart,
Nor remember the LATTER END OF THEM.
8 “Therefore hear this now, you who are given to pleasures,
Who dwell securely,
Who say in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me;
I shall not sit as a widow,
Nor shall I know the loss of children’;
9 But these two things shall come to you
In a moment, in one day:
The loss of children, and widowhood.
They shall come upon you in their fullness
Because of the multitude of your sorceries,
For the great abundance of your enchantments.
10 “For you have trusted in your wickedness;
You have said, ‘No one sees me’;
Your wisdom and your knowledge have warped you;
And you have said in your heart,
‘I am, and there is no one else besides me.’
Did you think I was not going to test what you wrote? You should know better than that!
Who spoke?? THE GOD OF ISREAL
WHo did he call babylon? THOSE WHO HE GAVE HIS PEOPLE (ISRAEL) to BECAUSE OF THEIR DISOBEDIENCE.
why is he angry at Babylon?
THEY SHOWED HIS PEOPLE NO MERCY.
why? THEY FORGOT THE END.
They thought they were it. They were safe. No one would harm them. They are Gods true Bride. so who would hurt them? they have no end.
Yet., Sounds just like the roman church.
and then we move just a chapter over what do we see??
12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The LORD loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
16 “Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit
Have sent Me.”
17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
“I am the LORD your God,
Who teaches you to profit,
Who leads you by the way you should go.
18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
19 Your descendants also would have been like the sand,
And the offspring of your body like the grains of sand;
His name would not have been cut off
Nor destroyed from before Me.”
20 Go forth from Babylon!
Flee from the Chaldeans!
With a voice of singing,
Declare, proclaim this,
Utter it to the end of the earth;
Say, “The LORD has redeemed
His servant Jacob!”
21 And they did not thirst
When He led them through the deserts;
He caused the waters to flow from the rock for them;
He also split the rock, and the waters gushed out.
22 “There is no peace,” says the LORD, “for the wicked.
So tell me. why would God tell Israel to FLEE FROM BABYLON if they were babylon??
Why did the Lord say he would REDEEM ALL ISREAL? SOunds just like what paul said, When the times of the gentiles has been completed. ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED.
5 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:
“ The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins
Sound familiar? This is just what Ezekial prophesied. And paul warned us against this. WHen the times of the gentiles have been comlete (They forgot the end) ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED. and they will be RETURNED TO THERE LAND.
He wanred us not to be wise. to think we know it all. and can never be destroyed. That is exactly what Ezekial said about babylon. Do we want to be them??
And you want me to listen to you??
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH
Isaiah 1:21 (KJV)
21 How is the faithful city [Jerusalem] become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
Here is the original Greek of Rev. 17:9 from the Greek Textus Recptus:
Rev 17:9
ωδε5602 ADV ο3588 T-NSM νους3563 N-NSM ο3588 T-NSM εχων2192 V-PAP-NSM σοφιαν4678 N-ASF αι3588 T-NPF επτα2033 A-NUI κεφαλαι2776 N-NPF ορη3735 N-NPN εισιν1510 V-PAI-3P επτα2033 A-NUI οπου3699 ADV η3588 T-NSF
γυνη1135 N-NSF (WOMAN) καθηται2521 V-PNI-3S (SITS) επ1909 PREP (UPON)αυτων846 P-GPN(THEM)
Rev. 17:9Here the mind having wisdom. The Seven Heads Mountains are Seven, where the Woman sits upon THEM. αυτων846 P-GPN There greek word ‘autos’ used here for where the Woman sits (MOUNTAINS) is a - pronoun PLURAL genitive neuter.
The Greek Textus Receptus clearly states that the Woman sits upon ALL 7 Mountains (Kingdoms) and NOT just merely upon some other part of the Beast (its back, etc.).
Please note if we lose the understanding above of the Woman sitting upon ALL 7 former Kingdoms we will NOT be able to correctly ‘identify’ who the WHORE/Harlot actually is.
Meanwhile, it must ALSO be noted that the 7 Heads of the Scarlet Abyss Beast are equal to 7 Mountains/Kingdoms AND THEY are also equal to 7 Kings. Therefore, we must interpret Rev. 17:9-10 as sequential Heads. Thus, ONE Head is equal to ONE Mountain/Kingdom AND (conjunction) ONE King. We CANNOT assume that ONE Head is equal to 7 Mountains, etc.
ALL 7 Heads CANNOT co-exist simultaneously, per Rev. 13:3 ONLY ONE of the 7 Heads of the Beast is futuristically HEALED and NOT all 7 Heads. So PLEASE, do not attempt to make them all co-exist in the future.
The ‘Great City’ is indeed a literal City just as Scripture states and NOT a figurative or an abstract City.
If we list ALL six Empires we know from history that apply to the 7 Heads/Kingdoms (we do Not know the 7th) then we must ask the logical question where was the ‘City’ of Rome during the Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Medo-Persian, and Grecian Empires – it did NOT even exist? We must remember that this literal Harlot ‘City’ just as I have shown in my previous email was associated with EACH of those former Empires.
Meanwhile, the Woman (the literal City) NEVER changes from Head to Head or Kingdom to Kingdom we just get another presentation of her internal practices of ‘Paganism’ – The Harlot City is a CONSTANT and a common denominator to each of the 7 Kingdoms (actually 8) of which she rides.
For example, it is suggested that the ‘Harlot City’ is New York – I ask you where was the ‘City’ of New York during the reign of the first 6 Kingdoms as stated above, it did NOT even exist. Some suggest it is the U.S. – I ask is a ‘City’ a Country or is it as Scripture states – a CITY, where was the U.S. during the reign of the 1st 6 Kingdoms of the Scarlet Beast?
Rev. 17:18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
In Rev. 17:18 we are ‘looking’ for a NAME of an apostate CITY which has had and will have a ‘Harlotry’ relationship with ALL 7 Heads of the Scarlet Beast.
There is only one CITY on earth where God has chosen to put his NAME – Jerusalem.
As stated, in Rev. 17:18 we are looking for the Name of an apostate CITY and in Scripture this apostate City has the SAME name as the ‘eternal’ Righteous City of God where the Redeemed will make their homes just as you say.
Meanwhile, this ‘righteous’ CITY now reigns at this time from Heaven and later from earth over ALL Kings of the earth.
Rev. 21:24
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
The Bible (KJV) clearly declares that Mystery, Babylon The Great is a literal city with a geographical location from where the Antichrist will reign over many kings of the earth:
Rev. 17:18
"And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."
Following are Biblical Scriptures that reveal future JERUSALEM as this symbolic (Mystery) city:
Rev. 17:5-6
"And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. [6] And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration."
Babylon is a symbolic name. Look at how Jerusalem is referred to by similar analogous names such as Sodom, Gomorrah, and Egypt. All of these, Sodom, Gomorrah, Egypt, and Babylon are all recorded enemies of God’s people.
Isaiah 1:1-21
"The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah...
Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah... How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers. "
Moses warns the Jews how God will punish them and destroy their land if they forsake His covenant.
Deut. 29:23-25
"And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the Lord overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath: [24] Even all nations shall say, Wherefore hath the Lord done thus unto this land? what meaneth the heat of this great anger? Then men shall say, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the Lord God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt:"
Jeremiah 23:14
"I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah."
Romans 9:27-29
"Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: [28] For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. [29] And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha."
In the Book of Revelation John continues this use of mystery names for the "Great City." He uses symbolism to refer to people who had betrayed God’s people.
Rev. 11:8
"And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."
Revelation 11:8 is extremely important because it tells us just where this "Great City" is. It is "where our Lord was crucified." It is Jerusalem.
DRESSED IN PURPLE, SCARLET, AND DECKED WITH GOLD
Rev. 17:4
"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:"
Rev. 18:16
"And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!"
Jeremiah 4:30-31
"And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life. [31] For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers."
Rev. 17:4
"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:"
Rev. 18:16
"And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!"
Jeremiah 4:30-31
"And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life. [31] For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers."
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A GREAT CITY WHO SAYS SHE IS NO WIDOW [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rev. 17:18 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rev. 18:7-8 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. [8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rev. 11:8 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lament. 1:1 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people how is she become as a widow she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary..." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rev. 17:18 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rev. 18:7-8 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. [8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rev. 11:8 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lament. 1:1 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people how is she become as a widow she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary..." [/FONT]
"BABYLON" IS CALLED THE GREAT CITY
Rev. 18:10
"Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come."
Jerusalem is also called the "Great City".
Jeremiah 22:4-8
"For if ye do this thing indeed, then shall there enter in by the gates of this house kings sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, he, and his servants, and his people. [5] But if ye will not hear these words, I swear by myself, saith the Lord, that this house shall become a desolation. [6] For thus saith the Lord unto the king's house of Judah; Thou art Gilead unto me, and the head of Lebanon: yet surely I will make thee a wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited. [7] And I will prepare destroyers against thee, every one with his weapons: and they shall cut down thy choice cedars, and cast them into the fire. [8] And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, Wherefore hath the Lord done thus unto this great city?"
"BABYLON" AND THE DEATHS OF THE PROPHETS
Rev. 17:5-6
"And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. [6] And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration."
Rev. 18:24
"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."
Compare the above Scriptures with the following Scriptures about Jerusalem.
Luke 11:47-51
"Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. [48] Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres. [49] Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: [50] That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; [51] From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation."
Luke 13:31-34
"The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. [32] And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. [33] Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. [34] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!"
Matthew 23:29-36
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, [30] And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. [31] Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. [32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? [34] Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: [35] That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. [36] Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. "
Matthew 24:34
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
DESTROYED WITH FIRE
God promised blessings to the Jews if they obeyed, Deut 28:8, and seven curses if they disobeyed, verses 15 -20. God’s Covenant is effected by His Oath. The word "oath" is based on the word "seven." Thus, the number "seven" represents the Covenant. In Leviticus He threatens to punish the Jews with fire if they break His Covenant.
Leviticus 26:15-16
"And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: [16] I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it."
Leviticus 26:27-28
"And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; [28] Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins."
It was prophesied that Jerusalem would be destroyed by fire in the following passages:
Ezekiel 16:2-3
"Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, [3] And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite."
Ezekiel 16:35
"Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord:"
Ezekiel 16:38
"And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy."
Ezekiel 16:41
"And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more."
Ezekiel 23:2-4
"Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother: [3] And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity. [4] And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah."
Ezekiel 23:17-19
"And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them. [18] So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. [19] Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt."
Ezekiel 23:22-25
"Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side; [23] The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses. [24] And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments. [25] And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire."
Ezekiel 23:44-47
"Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.
[45] And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands. [46] For thus saith the Lord God; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled. [47] And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire."
Also see Lamentations 2:4, and 4:11 and Ezekiel 19:12, 21:2-3, 22:19-21,
In John's prophetic vision future "Babylon" is to be destroyed by fire.
Rev. 18:8
"Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her."
Rev. 18:17
"For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off..."
Jerusalem was a center for commercial trade, but true to prophecy it was completely destroyed by fire in 70 AD, whereas, Rome was only partially burned by Nero.
The burning of Jerusalem by fire also had theological significance. The City of Jerusalem is often referred to as a daughter.
Lament. 2:15-18
"All that pass by clap their hands at thee; they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem, saying, Is this the city that men call The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth? [16] All thine enemies have opened their mouth against thee: they hiss and gnash the teeth: they say, We have swallowed her up: certainly this is the day that we looked for; we have found, we have seen it. [17] The Lord hath done that which he had devised; he hath fulfilled his word that he had commanded in the days of old: he hath thrown down, and hath not pitied: and he hath caused thine enemy to rejoice over thee, he hath set up the horn of thine adversaries. [18] Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease."
Unfaithfulness to God is frequently compared to as sexual immorality.
The penalty for fornication by the daughter of the priest called for a special punishment. She was to be burned to death.
Leviticus 21:9
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."
So, when Jerusalem was offered the opportunity to accept Christ, but instead rejected Him, she is referred to as the "Whore of Babylon" who is subsequently to be burned to death.
THE HARLOT
Just as "Babylon" is referred to as a whore, a harlot, Jerusalem is also called a harlot.
Rev. 17:1
"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:"
Ezekiel 16:1-3
"Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, [2] Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, [3] And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite."
Ezekiel 16:26
"Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger."
Jeremiah 2:1-2
"Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, [2] Go and cry in the ears of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the Lord; I remember thee, the kindness of thy youth, the love of thine espousals, when thou wentest after me in the wilderness, in a land that was not sown."
Jeremiah 2:17-20
"Hast thou not procured this unto thyself, in that thou hast forsaken the Lord thy God, when he led thee by the way? [18] And now what hast thou to do in the way of Egypt, to drink the waters of Sihor? or what hast thou to do in the way of Assyria, to drink the waters of the river? [19] Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the Lord thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord God of hosts. [20] For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot."
Isaiah 1:1
"The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah."
Isaiah 1:21
"How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers."
Jeremiah 3:1-2
"They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the Lord. [2] Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness."
Jeremiah 3:6-8
"The Lord said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. [7] And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. [8] And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."
Jeremiah 5:1
"Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it."
Jeremiah 5:5-7
"I will get me unto the great men, and will speak unto them; for they have known the way of the Lord, and the judgment of their God: but these have altogether broken the yoke, and burst the bonds. [6] Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because their transgressions are many, and their backslidings are increased.
[7] How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses."
Ezekiel 23:1-5
"The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, [2] Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother: [3] And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity. [4] And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah. [5] And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours..."
Ezekiel 23:11
"And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms."
Ezekiel 23:17-19
"And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them. [18] So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. [19] Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt."
MY PEOPLE
A very important verse is Revelation 18:4
Rev. 18:4
"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
God said, "Come out of her, my people …"
Who does "my people" refer to and where are they at ? These are important questions. The term "my people" is the key.
Jeremiah 31:31-33
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: [33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."
The term 'My People' is clearly a covenant language and is a reference to people who were supposed to be in a covenant relationship with God. This becomes even more evident when we examine just what it means to be in a covenant. A covenant is very different from a contract. Thus, a covenant is as different from a contract as marriage is different from prostitution. In a contract, two people exchange goods and services - this becomes yours and that becomes mine, or 'I will do this for you and you will do that for me.' However, as anyone knows contracts are made and broken.
A covenant is an exchange of persons. "I will become yours and you will become mine."
Ezekiel 37:26-27
"Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. [27] My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people."
To this end, where were God’s chosen people when John wrote Revelations? They were still under the Old Covenant, in Jerusalem and God wanted them to abandon the Mosaic Covenant and come into Yeshua's New Blood Covenant of Grace. Meanwhile, God could refer to them as 'My People' because they were under His Old Covenant. Such will be the case for God's chosen people when they rebuild the Temple and give themselves over to the dictates of the Beast Apollyon and the future Antichrist.
Hebrews 13:12-14
"Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. [13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. [14] For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come."
CONCLUSION
The Whore of Babylon is a symbolic name for the future corrupt apostate city of Jerusalem ruled by the Antichrist, upon whom God's judgment of fire will fall.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jerusalem is the only one according to Jesus that is responsible for all of the deaths of all the prophets and all of the apostles and all of the saints. Jesus said God's vengeance would come against that people, in that generation. They would be judged for spilling all the righteous blood shed on earth. [/FONT]
The Great Whore
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first off. I see no one has refuted or spoken about what I posted. I think the OT is clear about Jacob and Israel (the two kingdoms) being brought back after they repent. They are just where they were prophesied to be. In gentil control because of her harlotry. which she is still practicing as we have been shown.
Jacob and Israel are not the church. The church is spiritual Isreal. Not {hysical jacob and Israel.
The calling out of Babylon I was talking about was in the oT. not in rev. Babylon was high and mighty back then. It was the system started in Babylon Thus uts name) it was the system which Israel played the harlot with. It is because of this harlotry that she was punished. This is why Syria took the north. And why Babylon took the south, and eventually Rome finished it in AD70.
God was calling for Israel to depart from Babylon. Stop practicing this pagan system.
The fallinjg away in 2 thess shows that the church has basically become so dep[raved there are few if any left (about like the end when Israel fell.
This would be the (times of the gentiles being completed) Paul spoke of in Romans 11. Basically the church goes the way of Israel.
When this happens is when God says enough is enough, and the wrath of God, the time of Jacobs trouble, or the tribulation comes on the earth.
God is patient now, wishing that none will parish. But there will come a point when any hope of any more being saved will be slim and God;'s patience wears out.
Jacob and Israel are not the church. The church is spiritual Isreal. Not {hysical jacob and Israel.
The calling out of Babylon I was talking about was in the oT. not in rev. Babylon was high and mighty back then. It was the system started in Babylon Thus uts name) it was the system which Israel played the harlot with. It is because of this harlotry that she was punished. This is why Syria took the north. And why Babylon took the south, and eventually Rome finished it in AD70.
God was calling for Israel to depart from Babylon. Stop practicing this pagan system.
The fallinjg away in 2 thess shows that the church has basically become so dep[raved there are few if any left (about like the end when Israel fell.
This would be the (times of the gentiles being completed) Paul spoke of in Romans 11. Basically the church goes the way of Israel.
When this happens is when God says enough is enough, and the wrath of God, the time of Jacobs trouble, or the tribulation comes on the earth.
God is patient now, wishing that none will parish. But there will come a point when any hope of any more being saved will be slim and God;'s patience wears out.
Universal Friends
The religious community known collectively as the Publick Universal Friends that gathered around the Quaker evangelist Jemima Wilkinson in the late 18th century was one of religious righteousness and devotion to Christian ideals. In 1790, Jemima founded a community she called New Jerusalem, planned as a communal society where righteousness would prevail. It was situated in the wilderness of New York's Finger Lakes region, in what is today the town of Jerusalem, New York.
Just an interesting tidbit I thought I would share
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The religious community known collectively as the Publick Universal Friends that gathered around the Quaker evangelist Jemima Wilkinson in the late 18th century was one of religious righteousness and devotion to Christian ideals. In 1790, Jemima founded a community she called New Jerusalem, planned as a communal society where righteousness would prevail. It was situated in the wilderness of New York's Finger Lakes region, in what is today the town of Jerusalem, New York.
Just an interesting tidbit I thought I would share
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