God won't violate man's will?

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Magenta

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God ... wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. From 1 Timothy 2:3
 

shittim

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He gave mankind dominion in the first chapter, in doing so He obligated Himself to limit Himself to what we invite Him in to.
 

Magenta

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Huh, not related to the question. :eek:
Oh. Well, God's Word will not return void. So He will accomplish all He desires.
Man's sinful will desires something else, this is true. None of us would be saved
if God had not made it possible for us to believe in the first place. Although it
is also true that some seem to believe they needed no help from God at all.
Apparently, they did it all on their own! I suppose in this way they can maintain
the illusion that they were never in bondage to sin in the first place, despite
the very clear teaching in Scripture to the contrary.
 

Foghorn

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Oh. Well,
Yea.....:unsure:
God's Word will not return void.
Amen to that!
So He will accomplish all He desires.
Again Amen!


Man's sinful will desires something else, this is true. None of us would be saved
if God had not made it possible for us to believe in the first place.
God made it possible? So, Christ's atonement made it possible to be saved?


Although it
is also true that some seem to believe they needed no help from God at all.
Yes, that's sad.


Apparently, they did it all on their own! I suppose in this way they can maintain
the illusion that they were never in bondage to sin in the first place, despite
the very clear teaching in Scripture to the contrary.
:unsure:
 

Magenta

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God made it possible? So, Christ's atonement made it possible to be saved?
God circumcises our hearts. He draws us with loving kindness. He reveals Himself to those who seek. There is much
that can be said about how God makes it possible. It is contested whether faith is gifted to us. I lean to a yes on that.



Jesus' words in Matthew 17:20-21
Faith the size of a mustard seed moved the mountain of my unbelief .:)

And yes, Jesus paid the sin debt. It is sufficient for all but efficacious only unto those who believe.
Those who do not believe are suppressing the truth in their unrighteousness.
 

Gideon300

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God ... wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. From 1 Timothy 2:3
Yes, but not everyone is saved and not all the saved come to the knowledge of the truth.
 

Nehemiah6

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If God cannot violate man’s will, why do synergists pray for God to save them?
Would that be violating man's will? If you ask for something then you are willing to accept it.
 

ForestGreenCook

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God ... wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. From 1 Timothy 2:3

With all due respect Magenta, saved=delivered, according to Strong's concordance.

There is a one time eternal deliverance for all of those that God called, and gave to Jesus to be a sacrifice for their sins (John 6:37-39).

Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind for their acceptance.

1 Tim 2:3 - Paul left Timothy in the church at Ephesus to charge some that they teach no other doctrine (1 Tim 1:3).

Paul further instructed Timothy to pray for "all men" that are in authority in the city of Ephesus, that the church may lead a quite and peaceful life in all godliness and honesty (1 Tim 2:2)

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God, our Saviour; who will have "all men", that were teaching another gospel, to be saved=delivered, and come unto a knowledge of the truth.

There is a deliverance=salvation, here on earth, that is received by those that have been born again, when they come unto a knowledge of the truth.
 

ForestGreenCook

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If God cannot violate man’s will, why do synergists pray for God to save them? Are synergists confused?

Shouldn't you rather beg the person to believe?
God does violate man's will, by God's will.

All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and He doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay His hand, or say into Him, What doest thou? (Dan 4:35).
 

ForestGreenCook

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And yes, Jesus paid the sin debt. It is sufficient for all but efficacious only unto those who believe.
Those who do not believe are suppressing the truth in their unrighteousness.
Jesus's death is not sufficient for all, only those that God called, and gave to Christ to redeem them from their sins (John 6:37-39).
 

Pilgrimshope

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If God cannot violate man’s will, why do synergists pray for God to save them? Are synergists confused?

Shouldn't you rather beg the person to believe?
If they are praying for God to save them thier Will is bieng exhibited
 

Pilgrimshope

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Jesus's death is not sufficient for all, only those that God called, and gave to Christ to redeem them from their sins (John 6:37-39).
“and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭