Public School is Brainwashing your children

[ZNP]

The Danger of Public Schools | Alex Newman

Consider the history of public school in the US. Originally we had one room school houses in churches that would teach kids to read, write, and do arithmetic. Soon the US began to dominate the world because of our education. However they government wanted to make this "public school" so that all taxpayers could help fund the school and also so that everyone regardless of religion could go to school. It was an acknowledgement of the success of the little public schools in the churches. But then, after making this change they wanted to get rid of the McDuffy readers because they were based on the Bible stories and instead replaced them with the Dick and Jane books. By this time the unbelievers were calling the shots. Christians could have easily said "no thank you, we'll stick to our readers" and pulled their kids out, the public school would have completely collapsed. But instead people foolishly thought that the so called experts knew best. Since that time there has been a steady descent as we spend more and more each year on education and get less and less for our investment. The US which used to be #1 is now somewhere around #28. It has become so bad that books that can definitely pass as pornography are in elementary school libraries. Pedophiles, transgender clowns, and libtards are now free to teach your kids. But now it is going to get much worse. Instead of Bible stories, eating from the tree of life, they will be using AI in the schools. Your kids will be eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they will be expelled from the garden, and it will be death.

 

[ZNP]

"Ultimately discipling your children is the parent's responsibility"

 

[ZNP]

How public school should work is not how it does work.

 

[gb9]

How public school should work is not how it does work.

of course, this is being done on purpose by the powers that should not be...

 

[ZNP]

of course, this is being done on purpose by the powers that should not be...

AI will shift this mind control into high gear.

 

[Eli1]

@ZNP , were you a public school teacher or a private school teacher?

 

[Magenta]

I am curious to know if there is a reliable statistic showing the number of children brought up
in traditional and/or conservative Christian homes who do not "backslide" or rebel against their
upbringing, and of those, how many return to their Christian roots after a season or two (or
however many) out in the world. A number of people join here who would fit that profile...

 

[Magenta]

*Of those that DO (backslide and/or rebel)... <= correction .

 

[blueluna5]

The Danger of Public Schools | Alex Newman

Consider the history of public school in the US. Originally we had one room school houses in churches that would teach kids to read, write, and do arithmetic. Soon the US began to dominate the world because of our education. However they government wanted to make this "public school" so that all taxpayers could help fund the school and also so that everyone regardless of religion could go to school. It was an acknowledgement of the success of the little public schools in the churches. But then, after making this change they wanted to get rid of the McDuffy readers because they were based on the Bible stories and instead replaced them with the Dick and Jane books. By this time the unbelievers were calling the shots. Christians could have easily said "no thank you, we'll stick to our readers" and pulled their kids out, the public school would have completely collapsed. But instead people foolishly thought that the so called experts knew best. Since that time there has been a steady descent as we spend more and more each year on education and get less and less for our investment. The US which used to be #1 is now somewhere around #28. It has become so bad that books that can definitely pass as pornography are in elementary school libraries. Pedophiles, transgender clowns, and libtards are now free to teach your kids. But now it is going to get much worse. Instead of Bible stories, eating from the tree of life, they will be using AI in the schools. Your kids will be eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they will be expelled from the garden, and it will be death.

The mcduffy readers are phonics based. Dick and Jane are basal readers. As a teacher phonics is the way to go. Some kids can learn to read without it, but most kids need phonics. That's especially true with dyslexia.
Interesting that's the time they switched it. I haven't looked at the mcduffy readers. Are they christian based? I love the Bob books for teaching reading.

There's a podcast called "sold a story" about how we created decades of illiterate people based on the "cueing" method. This method is actually what poor readers do and is basically look at the picture and guess the word. The benchmarks are only 30% effective for finding struggling readers. You would be better off flipping a coin.

When I first started teaching they told me to use lexile levels. "This is a crocodile." " This is a tiger." I asked them what is this? They can't possibly read this. They're just looking at the picture and waiting for me to give them the words. I was told that's how it's done.... but knew something was wrong. So I taught phonics as well.

Years later I found that podcast and now understand why I was never taught phonics in school. My dad got me a tutor when I fell behind. I did tutoring for 2 weeks in the summer and shockingly I was up to grade level. She taught me phonics. I might also say I was intermediate at playing the piano at that point. So I could read sheet music, but not read books.... there's something wrong.

They go over how teachers were brainwashed into this new method. Idk why they did it. Did they do it on purpose? Or is it because understanding comes from God?

There is no reason kids should not be able to read at minimum. But they don't! It's such an issue that I'm teaching reading in with my science lessons. I'm actually a science teacher now. Which science is another issue entirely bc so many people think scientists are never wrong or formulas are never off. I see the lies all the time in science textbooks. They are in the small caption as an opinion and written as fact. Truth can be made into a book, bc the evidence keeps coming. There are a lot of brainwashed people in the world today.

 

[ZNP]

@ZNP , were you a public school teacher or a private school teacher?

both, also homeschooled.

 

[ZNP]

The mcduffy readers are phonics based. Dick and Jane are basal readers. As a teacher phonics is the way to go. Some kids can learn to read without it, but most kids need phonics. That's especially true with dyslexia.
Interesting that's the time they switched it. I haven't looked at the mcduffy readers. Are they christian based? I love the Bob books for teaching reading.

There's a podcast called "sold a story" about how we created decades of illiterate people based on the "cueing" method. This method is actually what poor readers do and is basically look at the picture and guess the word. The benchmarks are only 30% effective for finding struggling readers. You would be better off flipping a coin.

When I first started teaching they told me to use lexile levels. "This is a crocodile." " This is a tiger." I asked them what is this? They can't possibly read this. They're just looking at the picture and waiting for me to give them the words. I was told that's how it's done.... but knew something was wrong. So I taught phonics as well.

Years later I found that podcast and now understand why I was never taught phonics in school. My dad got me a tutor when I fell behind. I did tutoring for 2 weeks in the summer and shockingly I was up to grade level. She taught me phonics. I might also say I was intermediate at playing the piano at that point. So I could read sheet music, but not read books.... there's something wrong.

They go over how teachers were brainwashed into this new method. Idk why they did it. Did they do it on purpose? Or is it because understanding comes from God?

There is no reason kids should not be able to read at minimum. But they don't! It's such an issue that I'm teaching reading in with my science lessons. I'm actually a science teacher now. Which science is another issue entirely bc so many people think scientists are never wrong or formulas are never off. I see the lies all the time in science textbooks. They are in the small caption as an opinion and written as fact. Truth can be made into a book, bc the evidence keeps coming. There are a lot of brainwashed people in the world today.

Krashen's input hypothesis solved the puzzle of how to teach reading back in the 70s. It has been proven with over 100 studies.

 

[blueluna5]

Krashen's input hypothesis solved the puzzle of how to teach reading back in the 70s. It has been proven with over 100 studies.

Do you consider language and reading the same thing?

Language is like playing an instrument... and reading is like learning music theory. Someone can teach you "twinkle, twinkle little star" some kids might go "oh abc has the same tune. I can play." Most will stop at 1 song.

You should listen to "sold a story." Learning a language is not the same as reading. You don't learn reading simply from exposure. It's not natural.... that's a myth. Like saying music theory is natural.

My cousin learned reading from exposure. She was in her high chair and read the back of the cereal box. She also played the piano like me....except with no lessons by hearing. She was almost as good as me...but I was better. I did music theory and could read classical music. It's taught and it's specific.

 

[ZNP]

Do you consider language and reading the same thing?

Language is like playing an instrument... and reading is like learning music theory. Someone can teach you "twinkle, twinkle little star" some kids might go "oh abc has the same tune. I can play." Most will stop at 1 song.

You should listen to "sold a story." Learning a language is not the same as reading. You don't learn reading simply from exposure. It's not natural.... that's a myth. Like saying music theory is natural.

My cousin learned reading from exposure. She was in her high chair and read the back of the cereal box. She also played the piano like me....except with no lessons by hearing. She was almost as good as me...but I was better. I did music theory and could read classical music. It's taught and it's specific.

I think this has a lot to do with your goal.

When I homeschooled my kids they read one book a day, six days a week. Those were 5th grade level books, things like EB White. They read over 200 books that year. Some are simple books about history or biography. No Pulitzer prize winning books, but a much more depth than in a textbook or would be covered in a typical classroom. The next year they were reading 2-3 books a week but these were much bigger books, JHS and HS level. Over a three year period they read 400 books easy. Meanwhile you ask a student in the public school how many books they read completely on their own while in school and the answer I have always heard is less than 5. Generally 1-3. Not only so I have heard stories of kids graduating HS and being unable to read.

When you read a book you learn the story, you learn what the book is talking about, but you also see the critical thinking as they make their case and lay out their plan. You also learn vocabulary, sentence structure, and grammar. You may not learn the terms but you develop an ear for what is right and what is not right. Granted it is important that some people who graduate HS know grammar from a technical point of view, but in my opinion not everyone.

In my experience, if Public school operated like this kids would read 600 books by the time they graduated from 12th grade. With my kids I let them choose half the books they read, so they could pursue interests they had. Imagine if there were 300 essential books every student was required to read in order to graduate HS. Granted there would be a lot of debate over those 300 books and there could be another list of 300 books that almost made the list that kids or parents could choose.

Now two of my kids came from Taiwan, they did not speak a word of English as they both started the 6th grade. So many of the books they read were "books on tape". They would read along as they listened to someone else read it. This allowed them to listen to many different accents and learn how to properly pronounce words. They both entered the Public HS in 9th grade and no one in the school ever knew that English was not their first language. So they learned to speak without an accent. Not only so but if they read the book they could watch the movie. So they were surrounded with a great deal of audio input as well as written input.

If you want to teach phonics I really don't care one way or the other. I didn't waste time with it with my kids and they had no problem. What I do take issue with is people thinking that because a kid can read and pronounce the words you have taught them to read. That is not how we teach basketball. That is not how you get to be a black belt. What I would like to see is Kids cannot graduate from Elementary school without reading 200 books first. You learn to read by reading.

Let me conclude with a little anecdotal story. My kids had been in the US for six months when they went to visit my brother. He was concerned because they didn't speak a word. I told him don't worry, they understand what you are saying, and that speaking was not my goal at that time. He was horrified. Three years later they both enter HS speaking and reading fluently. They both were Valedictorians of their two schools. My daughter went to a HS with 2,000 kids and my son went to a Science HS where he had to take a test to get in, only 1% of NYC students pass this test. Half the test is in English, so he didn't get in simply on his math skills. For four years no one at the school knew that English was not their first language. I know this because in her senior year the principal calls me. My daughter is going to be valedictorian but they have a big problem, she won't be given an advanced regents diploma because she never took a foreign language. I asked can she test out of this requirement? They said yes. I said give her the Chinese regents, she speaks Chinese fluently. They had no idea. Likewise my son's principal calls before he is to be valedictorian. She had talked to him privately, and she was Chinese. She told me how impressed she was with his Chinese saying he didn't speak with an accent like most Americans. She had no idea that English was his second language.

Like I said, Krashen's input hypothesis has been fully tested and vetted. In my opinion the public school in the US is a total and abject failure.

 

[ZNP]

I think the deep state has tipped their hand

1. They are pushing AI, robots, drones, etc. That is obvious.

2. They released chatgpt for free, it can write papers and do HW for kids. In another year or two kids will not be able to do any writing or critical thinking.

3. The are replacing jobs with AI and robots, again, no secret.

4. We will soon have a catastrophic unemployment similar to China. Then at that point the military will only take you if you get neuralink chip in your brain. Likewise Fortune 500 companies will be instituting company wide layoffs with the exception to those who get the neuralink chip. Also, the only chance to for a college graduate to get a job is if they have the neuralink chip in their brain. Even HS graduates will be able to get jobs if they get the chip.

Then you will see month by month the workforce move very close to 100% with the brain chip.

 

[blueluna5]

I think this has a lot to do with your goal.

When I homeschooled my kids they read one book a day, six days a week. Those were 5th grade level books, things like EB White. They read over 200 books that year. Some are simple books about history or biography. No Pulitzer prize winning books, but a much more depth than in a textbook or would be covered in a typical classroom. The next year they were reading 2-3 books a week but these were much bigger books, JHS and HS level. Over a three year period they read 400 books easy. Meanwhile you ask a student in the public school how many books they read completely on their own while in school and the answer I have always heard is less than 5. Generally 1-3. Not only so I have heard stories of kids graduating HS and being unable to read.

When you read a book you learn the story, you learn what the book is talking about, but you also see the critical thinking as they make their case and lay out their plan. You also learn vocabulary, sentence structure, and grammar. You may not learn the terms but you develop an ear for what is right and what is not right. Granted it is important that some people who graduate HS know grammar from a technical point of view, but in my opinion not everyone.

In my experience, if Public school operated like this kids would read 600 books by the time they graduated from 12th grade. With my kids I let them choose half the books they read, so they could pursue interests they had. Imagine if there were 300 essential books every student was required to read in order to graduate HS. Granted there would be a lot of debate over those 300 books and there could be another list of 300 books that almost made the list that kids or parents could choose.

Now two of my kids came from Taiwan, they did not speak a word of English as they both started the 6th grade. So many of the books they read were "books on tape". They would read along as they listened to someone else read it. This allowed them to listen to many different accents and learn how to properly pronounce words. They both entered the Public HS in 9th grade and no one in the school ever knew that English was not their first language. So they learned to speak without an accent. Not only so but if they read the book they could watch the movie. So they were surrounded with a great deal of audio input as well as written input.

If you want to teach phonics I really don't care one way or the other. I didn't waste time with it with my kids and they had no problem. What I do take issue with is people thinking that because a kid can read and pronounce the words you have taught them to read. That is not how we teach basketball. That is not how you get to be a black belt. What I would like to see is Kids cannot graduate from Elementary school without reading 200 books first. You learn to read by reading.

Let me conclude with a little anecdotal story. My kids had been in the US for six months when they went to visit my brother. He was concerned because they didn't speak a word. I told him don't worry, they understand what you are saying, and that speaking was not my goal at that time. He was horrified. Three years later they both enter HS speaking and reading fluently. They both were Valedictorians of their two schools. My daughter went to a HS with 2,000 kids and my son went to a Science HS where he had to take a test to get in, only 1% of NYC students pass this test. Half the test is in English, so he didn't get in simply on his math skills. For four years no one at the school knew that English was not their first language. I know this because in her senior year the principal calls me. My daughter is going to be valedictorian but they have a big problem, she won't be given an advanced regents diploma because she never took a foreign language. I asked can she test out of this requirement? They said yes. I said give her the Chinese regents, she speaks Chinese fluently. They had no idea. Likewise my son's principal calls before he is to be valedictorian. She had talked to him privately, and she was Chinese. She told me how impressed she was with his Chinese saying he didn't speak with an accent like most Americans. She had no idea that English was his second language.

Like I said, Krashen's input hypothesis has been fully tested and vetted. In my opinion the public school in the US is a total and abject failure.

The public school actually goes by Krashen's input.... that's why they're failing. Many have actually switched to "the science of reading" which is phonics based bc they are finally understanding they're failing.

Learning a new language is not the same as reading. Yes you gain a new language from exposure, but you don't for reading. How do you know your kids are not just gifted? My cousins are Vietnamese and were reading in high chairs with no one teaching them. Two are now doctors.

Phonics are research based. I've moved special education kids up 3 grade levels in 1 year just teaching them phonics. They also had to practice and work. How do you read 300 books a year when you don't know how to read? That's the school system now. Your kids... whether you realize it or not taught themselves phonics. As an adult when I come to a word I don't know I sound it out phonetically. This is typically taught.

Germany "invited" Poland. This is a typical error by kids who are not taught phonics. The word is "invaded." Sloppy errors are done without phonics. This is 1 reason state testing is so low. Also this is from average kids....oh it's much, much worse for kids with disabilities. They can't read at all without phonics.

Of course the more you read the better you get. Many students in public school can't read....especially the cities. When I say they can't read, I mean they're illiterate. They can't read anything. They are kids with high comprehension and high vocabulary, but can't read. I see it all the time. They don't understand when I sound out words for them. They can't blend at all... they were never taught. They are trying to memorize words like a puzzle... many words have the same shape.

 

[ZNP]

The public school actually goes by Krashen's input.... that's why they're failing. Many have actually switched to "the science of reading" which is phonics based bc they are finally understanding they're failing.

Baloney. Not even close.

Learning a new language is not the same as reading. Yes you gain a new language from exposure, but you don't for reading. How do you know your kids are not just gifted? My cousins are Vietnamese and were reading in high chairs with no one teaching them. Two are now doctors.

Phonics are research based. I've moved special education kids up 3 grade levels in 1 year just teaching them phonics. They also had to practice and work. How do you read 300 books a year when you don't know how to read? That's the school system now. Your kids... whether you realize it or not taught themselves phonics. As an adult when I come to a word I don't know I sound it out phonetically. This is typically taught.

Germany "invited" Poland. This is a typical error by kids who are not taught phonics. The word is "invaded." Sloppy errors are done without phonics. This is 1 reason state testing is so low. Also this is from average kids....oh it's much, much worse for kids with disabilities. They can't read at all without phonics.

Of course the more you read the better you get. Many students in public school can't read....especially the cities. When I say they can't read, I mean they're illiterate. They can't read anything. They are kids with high comprehension and high vocabulary, but can't read. I see it all the time. They don't understand when I sound out words for them. They can't blend at all... they were never taught. They are trying to memorize words like a puzzle... many words have the same shape.

Once again, I have no issue with someone teaching phonics in 1st, 2nd or 3rd grade. My issue is they don't read books. Simply teaching people how to pronounce words is not the same thing. Just because a kid can pronounce words doesn't mean they have received an education.

If the Public school used Krashen's input hypothesis then you would have kids graduating HS having read at least 300 books. Ask 100 kids and you will be lucky to find one that read as many as 5 books while in HS.

You don't understand the input hypothesis, the point is that by reading we learn a lot, it is a tremendous way to maximize comprehensible input. The point is the same with how they are training AI by giving it huge amounts of data. If you want to teach kids you should be looking at how to maximize comprehensible input. You want the input to be known by the student between 80 and 90%. You don't want it to be simply a repeat of what they have heard or they get bored and you don't want it to have too much new content or they get overwhelmed. This is how you maximize learning by maximizing comprehensible input with a little new material on every page.

If you do that they'll learn vocabulary, sentence structure, complex thought, how to think critically, as well as whatever the book is about.

 

[ZNP]

For example, I found a 729 page book on the History of America from 1492 to the present. On Audible it takes 34 hours to read this book. Now imagine a HS student has 5 classes in a school year of 40 weeks. Why couldn't they read 40 books like this, and eight of them could be for their American History class? Truth is they could but you wouldn't be able to justify the teacher's salaries. The truth also is that if they did do that over 4 years they would read 160 books. Granted many books would be less than 729 pages, so in reality they would read over 200 books. If you did that you would be using Krashen's input hypothesis.

But by doing that the government would not control what kids are taught or think. The point of school is to keep the kids so busy they don't have time to actually get a real education, then make them so broke paying for college that they have no choice but to work as slaves to pay it off.

Also you would divide the year into 5 8 week blocks. For 8 weeks straight the kids focus exclusively on the one topic, reading one book a week. If you keep breaking the day up into 8 periods making kids move from class to class you have the illusion of doing something, but there is so much distraction you lose 50% of the time.

 

[ZNP]

Now you have seven and a half hours a day, 45 minutes for gym and 45 minutes for lunch. So in school you have 6 hours for this class. You spend 5 hours with the kids reading the book, and one hour discussing it, and they also have two hours of reading each night. Or, they can read for 5 hours on the weekend and they will have one hour of reading a night along with the discussion questions for the next day. This is easy, it is low pressure, if the books are enjoyable the reading will be enjoyable as well. The result will be much better educated students. That is Krashen's input hypothesis.

 

[blueluna5]

Baloney. Not even close.



Once again, I have no issue with someone teaching phonics in 1st, 2nd or 3rd grade. My issue is they don't read books. Simply teaching people how to pronounce words is not the same thing. Just because a kid can pronounce words doesn't mean they have received an education.

If the Public school used Krashen's input hypothesis then you would have kids graduating HS having read at least 300 books. Ask 100 kids and you will be lucky to find one that read as many as 5 books while in HS.

You don't understand the input hypothesis, the point is that by reading we learn a lot, it is a tremendous way to maximize comprehensible input. The point is the same with how they are training AI by giving it huge amounts of data. If you want to teach kids you should be looking at how to maximize comprehensible input. You want the input to be known by the student between 80 and 90%. You don't want it to be simply a repeat of what they have heard or they get bored and you don't want it to have too much new content or they get overwhelmed. This is how you maximize learning by maximizing comprehensible input with a little new material on every page.

If you do that they'll learn vocabulary, sentence structure, complex thought, how to think critically, as well as whatever the book is about.

You can't force a student to read 300 books in HS and they can't read them if they don't know how to read.

I never said you only teach phonics. Just that phonics are essential for learning to read. Even vocabulary... how do they read the word without phonics. They don't even know how to say it then. It's actually really helpful to teach them what the prefix and suffix mean to use later.

I teach science so I include a lot of critical thinking in experiments... more than most classrooms. But in the end what does it matter if they can't read? that's why I teach phonics as well. Reading is an essential life skill. You don't automatically learn it if you never do as a child. Unless someone teaches you as an adult. And why not learn as a child then.

The whole language approach has been debunked. The cueing system as well. It does not work effectively for most kids. Now if you're talking about a ton of books then maybe that's another matter. But it's more like learn to read or drown in hundreds of books.

 

[ZNP]

You can't force a student to read 300 books in HS and they can't read them if they don't know how to read.

I never said you only teach phonics. Just that phonics are essential for learning to read. Even vocabulary... how do they read the word without phonics. They don't even know how to say it then. It's actually really helpful to teach them what the prefix and suffix mean to use later.

I teach science so I include a lot of critical thinking in experiments... more than most classrooms. But in the end what does it matter if they can't read? that's why I teach phonics as well. Reading is an essential life skill. You don't automatically learn it if you never do as a child. Unless someone teaches you as an adult. And why not learn as a child then.

The whole language approach has been debunked. The cueing system as well. It does not work effectively for most kids. Now if you're talking about a ton of books then maybe that's another matter. But it's more like learn to read or drown in hundreds of books.

Exactly, they are not using Krashen's input hypothesis.