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Never mind me. He commanded YOU specifically to do so. He commanded the entire Church to do so, not just the apostles. And that is why churches and Christians have been baptizing believers since the first century. They took His words to the apostles as being addressed to the whole church. So if you were not baptized as a believer and did not encourage other Christians to also do so, you have a serious problem.
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Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Some people are baptized by men in water and some are baptized by God in his holy spirit.Which do you have faith in?
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Some people are baptized by men in water and some are baptized by God in his holy spirit.Which do you have faith in?
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I shower daily.
I prefer to wash in the shower than take a bath
Do you understand the significance of Christ washing his disciples?
John 13
7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”
8 “No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”
Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
9 “Then, Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!”
10 Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.” 11 For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean.
If Christ does not wash(Baptised) you,you will have no part with him.
I prefer to wash in the shower than take a bath
Do you understand the significance of Christ washing his disciples?
John 13
7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”
8 “No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”
Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
9 “Then, Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!”
10 Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.” 11 For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean.
If Christ does not wash(Baptised) you,you will have no part with him.
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Another person did Baptise me.-Christ
John 13
7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”
8 “No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”
Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
9 “Then, Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!”
10 Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.” 11 For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean.
John 13
7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”
8 “No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”
Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
9 “Then, Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!”
10 Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.” 11 For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean.
I was baptized just as Jesus taught
I believed and I was baptized just as Jesus said in these two verses .
Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
I witness that this is true
I believed and I was baptized just as Jesus said in these two verses .
Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
I witness that this is true
"The sinner's prayer is nothing more than a modern idea to construe Bible theology."
We are told to search out the truth concerning the common salvation as first delivered to the saints/apostles. (Jude 3)
Jesus gave the Apostle Peter the key(S) to the kingdom. (Matt. 16:19) And Peter shared the keys with Jews,
Gentiles, and Samaritans as instructed. (John 21:15-17) And there is no mention of a sinner's prayer. But rather, the need for believers to repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (water) and receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) The following scripture reference by the Apostle Paul speaks to what occurs when a person believes and obeys the command. "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Cor 6:11) Those who have experienced the NT rebirth are to then work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. (Phil. 2) Continuing to confess Jesus to others is to endure to the end of one's life. (Rom. 10, Matt. 10:22)
The sinner's prayer is nothing more than a modern idea to construe Bible theology?
"C.S. Lewis used the term “a great cataract of nonsense” to describe how people use a modern idea to construe Bible theology. One such example, perhaps the best example, is a conversion method called the Sinner’s Prayer. It is more popularly known as the Four Spiritual Laws.
Lewis used this term to describe what happens when someone looks backward at the Bible based only on what he or she has known. Instead, an evangelical should first discern conversion practices from Scriptures and then consider the topic in light of two thousand years of other thinkers. As it is, a novel technique popularized through recent revivals has replaced the biblically sound practice.
Today, hundreds of millions hold to a belief system and salvation practice that no one had ever held until relatively recently. The notions that one can pray Jesus into his or her heart and that baptism is merely an outward sign are actually late developments. The prayer itself dates to the Billy Sunday era; however, the basis for talking in prayer for salvation goes back a few hundred years.
Consider the following appeal: “Just accept Christ into your heart through prayer and he’ll receive you. It doesn’t matter what church you belong to or if you ever do good works. You’ll be born again at the moment you receive Christ. He’s at the door knocking. You don’t even have to change bad habits, just trust Christ as Savior. God loves you and forgives you unconditionally. Anyone out there can be saved if they … Accept Christ, now! Let us pray for Christ to now come into your heart.”
Sound familiar? This method of conversion has had far-reaching effects worldwide as many have claimed this as the basis for their salvation. Yet, what is the historical significance of this conversion? How did the process of rebirth, which Jesus spoke of in John 3, evolve into praying him into one’s heart? I believe it was an error germinating shortly after the Reformation, which eventually caused great ruin and dismay in Christendom. ”
Billy Graham, Bill Bright
Billy Graham and his crusades were the next step in the evolution of things. Billy Graham was converted in 1936 at a Sunday-styled crusade. By the late 1940s it was evident to many that Graham would be the champion of evangelicalism. His crusades summed up everything that had been done from the times of Charles Finney through Billy Sunday except that he added respectability that some of the others lacked. In the 1950s Graham’s crusade counselors were using a prayer that had been sporadically used for some time. It began with a prayer from his Four Steps to Peace with God. The original four-step formula came during Billy Sunday’s era in a tract called Four Things God Wants you to Know. The altar call system of Graham had been refined by a precise protocol of music, trained counselors and a speaking technique all geared to help people ‘accept Christ as Savior.’
In the late 1950s Bill Bright came up with the exact form of the currently popular Four Spiritual Laws so that the average believer could take the crusade experience into the living room of their neighbor. Of course, this method ended with the Sinner’s Prayer. Those who responded to crusades and sermons could have the crusade experience at home when they prayed, “Lord Jesus, I need You. Thank You for dying on the cross for my sins. I open the door of my life and receive You as my Savior and Lord. Thank You for forgiving my sins and giving me eternal life. Take control of the throne of my life. Make me the kind of person You want me to be.”
Later, in 1977 Billy Graham published a now famous work entitled, How to Be Born Again. For all the Scripture he used, he never once uses the hallmark rebirth event in the second chapter of the book of Acts. The cataract (blind spot) kept him away from the most powerful conversion event in all Scripture. It is my guess that its emphasis on baptism and repentance for the forgiveness of sins was incompatible with his approach." Excerpts from Concise Bibliography, Steve Staten – Chicago, IL, USA
We are told to search out the truth concerning the common salvation as first delivered to the saints/apostles. (Jude 3)
Jesus gave the Apostle Peter the key(S) to the kingdom. (Matt. 16:19) And Peter shared the keys with Jews,
Gentiles, and Samaritans as instructed. (John 21:15-17) And there is no mention of a sinner's prayer. But rather, the need for believers to repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (water) and receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) The following scripture reference by the Apostle Paul speaks to what occurs when a person believes and obeys the command. "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Cor 6:11) Those who have experienced the NT rebirth are to then work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. (Phil. 2) Continuing to confess Jesus to others is to endure to the end of one's life. (Rom. 10, Matt. 10:22)
The sinner's prayer is nothing more than a modern idea to construe Bible theology?
"C.S. Lewis used the term “a great cataract of nonsense” to describe how people use a modern idea to construe Bible theology. One such example, perhaps the best example, is a conversion method called the Sinner’s Prayer. It is more popularly known as the Four Spiritual Laws.
Lewis used this term to describe what happens when someone looks backward at the Bible based only on what he or she has known. Instead, an evangelical should first discern conversion practices from Scriptures and then consider the topic in light of two thousand years of other thinkers. As it is, a novel technique popularized through recent revivals has replaced the biblically sound practice.
Today, hundreds of millions hold to a belief system and salvation practice that no one had ever held until relatively recently. The notions that one can pray Jesus into his or her heart and that baptism is merely an outward sign are actually late developments. The prayer itself dates to the Billy Sunday era; however, the basis for talking in prayer for salvation goes back a few hundred years.
Consider the following appeal: “Just accept Christ into your heart through prayer and he’ll receive you. It doesn’t matter what church you belong to or if you ever do good works. You’ll be born again at the moment you receive Christ. He’s at the door knocking. You don’t even have to change bad habits, just trust Christ as Savior. God loves you and forgives you unconditionally. Anyone out there can be saved if they … Accept Christ, now! Let us pray for Christ to now come into your heart.”
Sound familiar? This method of conversion has had far-reaching effects worldwide as many have claimed this as the basis for their salvation. Yet, what is the historical significance of this conversion? How did the process of rebirth, which Jesus spoke of in John 3, evolve into praying him into one’s heart? I believe it was an error germinating shortly after the Reformation, which eventually caused great ruin and dismay in Christendom. ”
Billy Graham, Bill Bright
Billy Graham and his crusades were the next step in the evolution of things. Billy Graham was converted in 1936 at a Sunday-styled crusade. By the late 1940s it was evident to many that Graham would be the champion of evangelicalism. His crusades summed up everything that had been done from the times of Charles Finney through Billy Sunday except that he added respectability that some of the others lacked. In the 1950s Graham’s crusade counselors were using a prayer that had been sporadically used for some time. It began with a prayer from his Four Steps to Peace with God. The original four-step formula came during Billy Sunday’s era in a tract called Four Things God Wants you to Know. The altar call system of Graham had been refined by a precise protocol of music, trained counselors and a speaking technique all geared to help people ‘accept Christ as Savior.’
In the late 1950s Bill Bright came up with the exact form of the currently popular Four Spiritual Laws so that the average believer could take the crusade experience into the living room of their neighbor. Of course, this method ended with the Sinner’s Prayer. Those who responded to crusades and sermons could have the crusade experience at home when they prayed, “Lord Jesus, I need You. Thank You for dying on the cross for my sins. I open the door of my life and receive You as my Savior and Lord. Thank You for forgiving my sins and giving me eternal life. Take control of the throne of my life. Make me the kind of person You want me to be.”
Later, in 1977 Billy Graham published a now famous work entitled, How to Be Born Again. For all the Scripture he used, he never once uses the hallmark rebirth event in the second chapter of the book of Acts. The cataract (blind spot) kept him away from the most powerful conversion event in all Scripture. It is my guess that its emphasis on baptism and repentance for the forgiveness of sins was incompatible with his approach." Excerpts from Concise Bibliography, Steve Staten – Chicago, IL, USA
While there is no guarantee that reciting a sinner's prayer will end in genuine salvation, there are too many testimonials of those having prayed thus who give credible evidence to the grace of God. And why wouldn't it? The gospel is incredibly simple, and it does represent coming to Jesus as a child.
The danger in such an approach is that an influential speaker may in his own oratory giftedness convince the mind of a hearer of his need absent a work of God in the heart.
The danger in such an approach is that an influential speaker may in his own oratory giftedness convince the mind of a hearer of his need absent a work of God in the heart.
renewing the minds perception
“Im just a sinful wretch
so do not try to say
i can be saved by Jesus
In every single way
when all is said and done in life
im but a long lost soul
I’d only tell myself a lie
that his spirit lives in me
Therefore know I will remember
that I’m just a slave to sin
there’s nothing to convince me
God loves me as I am
No matter what would happen
I never will be worthy
I cannot find a reason to believe
I am a new creation “
The exact same words with a new perception read from bottom to top
I am a new creation
I cannot find a reason to believe
I never will be worthy
No matter what would happen
God loves me as I am
there’s nothing to convince me
that I’m just a slave to sin
Therefore know I will remember
that his spirit lives in me
I’d only tell myself a lie
“im but a long lost soul “
when all is said and done in life
In every single way
i can be saved by Jesus
so do not try to say
Im just a sinful wretch “
My point is our minds and hearts are changed through hearing the truth about God the Father , Jesus the Son , we the children in the gospel.
Unrepentant Sinners see God like this
“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
Deuteronomy 5:25
his children accepted in Christ see him this way
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
when we hear Jesus it changes our mind
From sinner in the dark to child in his light changes our minds from sinner to Saint
“Im just a sinful wretch
so do not try to say
i can be saved by Jesus
In every single way
when all is said and done in life
im but a long lost soul
I’d only tell myself a lie
that his spirit lives in me
Therefore know I will remember
that I’m just a slave to sin
there’s nothing to convince me
God loves me as I am
No matter what would happen
I never will be worthy
I cannot find a reason to believe
I am a new creation “
The exact same words with a new perception read from bottom to top
I am a new creation
I cannot find a reason to believe
I never will be worthy
No matter what would happen
God loves me as I am
there’s nothing to convince me
that I’m just a slave to sin
Therefore know I will remember
that his spirit lives in me
I’d only tell myself a lie
“im but a long lost soul “
when all is said and done in life
In every single way
i can be saved by Jesus
so do not try to say
Im just a sinful wretch “
My point is our minds and hearts are changed through hearing the truth about God the Father , Jesus the Son , we the children in the gospel.
Unrepentant Sinners see God like this
“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
Deuteronomy 5:25
his children accepted in Christ see him this way
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
when we hear Jesus it changes our mind
From sinner in the dark to child in his light changes our minds from sinner to Saint
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I'm sorry brother, and while I am not at all saying that it doesn't happen this way for some, this message only made me a false convert for 5 or 6 years. I did exactly what you just laid out and it was laid out to me the exact same way by my pastor. I did respond to the alter call and prayed the prayer you just said up there, and I did so thinking and feeling 100% like I meant it with "all my heart". After that even got baptized in front of the church. Guess what? I wasn't saved on that day, or the day I got wet. This idea of saying a certain combination of words does not save you, and saying it like "write the date down" as if this is all said and done it not always the case.
Don't get me wrong I know this is what the "pop view" says, and the theory behind it is sound, but it runs so much deeper than this and to sum it up like this can deceive people into thinking they are saved when they are still dead in their sins. What happen was I was doing pretty good when I thought I was saved, then tragedy struck. I was backed up against the wall and thinking I was in the "Christianity thing" I found it very lacking and not helpful at all. So this put me in a place even less likely to seek Him than ever. I was alone in the dark with no hope, and when I did hit my knees I wasn't calling to God or Jesus. I was just saying "I can't do this anymore". I just saw how great I was, and it left me on the floor weeping. I quit that night, Sept.29, 2013, I quit the world completely ignorant of what was happening. I didn't have to write down this date and sign it to remember, this was the night I was made all new by our Creator by the blood of His Son Jesus our Christ.
So see when I did what you described I was NOT saved, and when I was truly saved I didn't do that at all, so I just think we should go a little bit deeper when we are trying to share what being a Christian is and what makes one a Christian. Again I do get what you are saying and where you get it from, God has just shown me that being very loose and vague with it can cause problems for the false convert.
Don't get me wrong I know this is what the "pop view" says, and the theory behind it is sound, but it runs so much deeper than this and to sum it up like this can deceive people into thinking they are saved when they are still dead in their sins. What happen was I was doing pretty good when I thought I was saved, then tragedy struck. I was backed up against the wall and thinking I was in the "Christianity thing" I found it very lacking and not helpful at all. So this put me in a place even less likely to seek Him than ever. I was alone in the dark with no hope, and when I did hit my knees I wasn't calling to God or Jesus. I was just saying "I can't do this anymore". I just saw how great I was, and it left me on the floor weeping. I quit that night, Sept.29, 2013, I quit the world completely ignorant of what was happening. I didn't have to write down this date and sign it to remember, this was the night I was made all new by our Creator by the blood of His Son Jesus our Christ.
So see when I did what you described I was NOT saved, and when I was truly saved I didn't do that at all, so I just think we should go a little bit deeper when we are trying to share what being a Christian is and what makes one a Christian. Again I do get what you are saying and where you get it from, God has just shown me that being very loose and vague with it can cause problems for the false convert.
“I believe salvation isn't so much when men approach God, but occurs when God approaches men. “
“and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; ( these are things he ore determined towards man )
that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: “( that’s something we’re called to do he’s never beyond our reach but some won’t listen to what he’s saying to then calling then to do they won’t come into the light of his word
they stand back and think “ if I listen to what Gods saying I know it will cause me to feel guilty for things I enjoy “
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
John 3:19-21 KJV
Ultimately God speaks to a man and man either hears his word and believes it or waits for a better sounding philosophy and follows after that . Whether come not to or philosophy everyone has some form of faith they walk in
But “ Back in MY day we walked up hill both ways , no shoes , in a blizzard when it was ninety degrees ….now days the youngins ’ think getting baptized is a “work of the law and labor of self saving efforts without God or some man made ritual “ lol so idk I think the world and the church ideologies has changed alot from my day brother
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30 KJV
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
John 6:45 KJV
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
this is Gods approach to everyone the same every creature and also his mandate to them
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That statment really encompasses and summarizes the fate of all of creation.
“and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
….And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
Acts 17:26-27, 30-31 KJV
Everyone talks about salvation but the Bible is talking about what Jesus just said he preached eternal salvation to those who believed him. It’s his judgements we all face brother
anyways brother your always appreciated in Jesus
“and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; ( these are things he ore determined towards man )
that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: “( that’s something we’re called to do he’s never beyond our reach but some won’t listen to what he’s saying to then calling then to do they won’t come into the light of his word
they stand back and think “ if I listen to what Gods saying I know it will cause me to feel guilty for things I enjoy “
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
John 3:19-21 KJV
Ultimately God speaks to a man and man either hears his word and believes it or waits for a better sounding philosophy and follows after that . Whether come not to or philosophy everyone has some form of faith they walk in
But “ Back in MY day we walked up hill both ways , no shoes , in a blizzard when it was ninety degrees ….now days the youngins ’ think getting baptized is a “work of the law and labor of self saving efforts without God or some man made ritual “ lol so idk I think the world and the church ideologies has changed alot from my day brother
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30 KJV
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
John 6:45 KJV
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
this is Gods approach to everyone the same every creature and also his mandate to them
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That statment really encompasses and summarizes the fate of all of creation.
“and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
….And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
Acts 17:26-27, 30-31 KJV
Everyone talks about salvation but the Bible is talking about what Jesus just said he preached eternal salvation to those who believed him. It’s his judgements we all face brother
anyways brother your always appreciated in Jesus
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