Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"
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according to you, Paul must have been horribly mistaken for calling everyone in Christ the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise given to Abraham which were not just those in Galatia to whom Paul was writing in Galatians 6:16 but to the Israel of God throughout the whole world made up of both Jew and Gentile!
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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You presented John Hopkins so you were discussing physical genetic connection and when I proved you wrong you suddenly switched to spiritual.
You are a worker of INIQUITY!
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of iniquity.’
You are deceitful.
You switch conversations in the middle of conversations the moment you see you're proven wrong.
You know who else does that?
SATAN!
You are a worker of INIQUITY!
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of iniquity.’
You are deceitful.
You switch conversations in the middle of conversations the moment you see you're proven wrong.
You know who else does that?
SATAN!
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Speaking of Judas, the Scriptures are very clear that his place was decreed by God and prophesied to come to pass, proving that he was a reprobate who was left to his own love of sin and justly handed over to the devil which also proves that Go uses evil people He hates to fulfil His decree for His people He loves as seen in Christ.
Act 1:20 "For it is written in the Book of Psalms: 'LET HIS DWELLING PLACE BE DESOLATE, AND LET NO ONE LIVE IN IT'; and, 'LET ANOTHER TAKE HIS OFFICE.'
Act 1:21 "Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Act 1:22 beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."
Act 1:23 And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
Act 1:24 And they prayed and said, "You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen
Act 1:25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place."
which Christ confirmed in His prayer to His father below.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
Please note the definition of perdition below.
Act 1:20 "For it is written in the Book of Psalms: 'LET HIS DWELLING PLACE BE DESOLATE, AND LET NO ONE LIVE IN IT'; and, 'LET ANOTHER TAKE HIS OFFICE.'
Act 1:21 "Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Act 1:22 beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."
Act 1:23 And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
Act 1:24 And they prayed and said, "You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen
Act 1:25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place."
which Christ confirmed in His prayer to His father below.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
Please note the definition of perdition below.
I came across an article yesterday written by a Jew who in a very scholarly manner brings forth his arguments and that of other Jews on this issue if you dare to read it.
The True Origin of the Jews as Khazars, Israelites, or Canaanites
The True Origin of the Jews as Khazars, Israelites, or Canaanites
The article I presented proved this article wrong weeks ago.
Once again, you are being Deceitful like your father.
Ultimately, science and genetic testing available today proves that his central assertion was wrong. The vast majority of Jews today can be traced genetically back to the Levant area, not the Khazars.
Once again, you are being Deceitful like your father.
Ultimately, science and genetic testing available today proves that his central assertion was wrong. The vast majority of Jews today can be traced genetically back to the Levant area, not the Khazars.
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I don't really care if you think you have won some kind of battle against me for I am not here for that reason as I know it is only up to the grace of God to open the eyes of those He chooses to do so through a fool like me.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter what you think you believe but what really matters is whether what you believe is the truth and that is what I have been trying to do to you and all here in faithful exposition of Scripture and loving prayer.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter what you think you believe but what really matters is whether what you believe is the truth and that is what I have been trying to do to you and all here in faithful exposition of Scripture and loving prayer.
You misrepresented scripture and falsely made claims about origins and used data that was already proven incorrect.
It would be impossible for me to convince a liar of anything because it takes a liar to believe their own lies.
You're problem is that I am not the punching bag but the one who God uses to throw punches back at the liars.
It would be impossible for me to convince a liar of anything because it takes a liar to believe their own lies.
You're problem is that I am not the punching bag but the one who God uses to throw punches back at the liars.
That is not the gospel, that is a typical example of systematic theology.
The apostle Paul told us what the gospel is.
1 Corinthians15:1-8
Now I make known to you, brothers and sisters, the gospel which I preached to you, which you also received, in which you also stand, by which you also are saved, if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I handed down to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.
1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
Now look again at your post #582 and compare it with what the scripture calls the gospel.
How can you possibly get that wrong?
The apostle Paul told us what the gospel is.
1 Corinthians15:1-8
Now I make known to you, brothers and sisters, the gospel which I preached to you, which you also received, in which you also stand, by which you also are saved, if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I handed down to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.
1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
Now look again at your post #582 and compare it with what the scripture calls the gospel.
How can you possibly get that wrong?
You talk alot about grace but you are not very gracious ... you might wish to ponder that.
God's punishment of sin was known by the early Puritans as "God's peculiar work" that is to say it is a work He does that is averse to His nature. He waits with long suffering.
The early Puritans of the 16th century were a different breed to the Puritans of the 17th century. They were gentle, of such of their number is William Tynedale.
The 17th century Puritans had become political ... not unsimilar to the present day Evangelicals in America.
God's punishment of sin was known by the early Puritans as "God's peculiar work" that is to say it is a work He does that is averse to His nature. He waits with long suffering.
The early Puritans of the 16th century were a different breed to the Puritans of the 17th century. They were gentle, of such of their number is William Tynedale.
The 17th century Puritans had become political ... not unsimilar to the present day Evangelicals in America.
Whatever "one eye guy". The only reason I took you off ignore is to defeat you for the purposes of the edification of the board.
Here you go "one eye guy". Friends of yours perhaps?
https://vigilantcitizen.com/category/pics-of-the-month/
https://vigilantcitizen.com/pics-of-the-month/symbolic-pics-of-the-month-08-23/
Here you go "one eye guy". Friends of yours perhaps?
https://vigilantcitizen.com/category/pics-of-the-month/
https://vigilantcitizen.com/pics-of-the-month/symbolic-pics-of-the-month-08-23/
But He keeps talking right? He doesn't end it there, He tells THEM in 24: 34-35 " 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.", then does go on to tell them that no one knows the day, but He tells THEM "THIS GENERATION" will NOT pass away before ALL these things take place.
Jesus tells them so clearly right here that that generation would be around for everything He just told hem about. Do we need to just reread the whole chapter? Go over the "ALL" He is talking about.
The whole time the story always was that the Messiah brought salvation and judgement, Jesus brought the salvation, poured His Spirit out on man, and within that generation the judgement on the covenant breaking Jews, the promised judgement at the end of that AGE that ushered in the new covenant and His kingdom on earth, not a kingdom that you can point to and say "there it is", but an eternal kingdom He rules and His people from all nations make it up, the new Israel. The kingdom that would never see defeat and that the gates of hell cannot prevail against. All this happen EXACTLY like He said it would and exactly when He said it would. Within THAT GENERATION Jerusalem was destroyed, the temple torn down, not one brick left on another, all the priestly genealogies were burnt to ash, it was described by eye witnesses like "the blood was flowing through the streets", and scenes where a woman is offering others some of her food. It was her own child she had cooked and was eating because everyone was starving to death.
To be honest I believe you HAVE to add to scripture to get anything else out of these verses. "Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Is pretty dang clear, and the fact the historical record even supports that it happened exactly like Jesus said it would is powerful to me, and putting all this future to us just takes all that away and opens Jesus up to accusations that He gave a false prophesy. So from my point of view it robs Him of the amazing nature of Gods perfect power over time and knowing what's going to happen, but it also opens Jesus up to attacks that I feel shouldn't even be on the table. Jesus predicted everything perfectly.
Now I understand the nature of this debate, trust me I am down south in the Bible belt and have never been to a church where the Pre-trib Rapture wasn't preached with fire! So I know it gets intense and I'm not trying to step on toes here, but in truth the more screws I took to this belief the less it made sense to me. I believe that everything points to this coming judgement that Jesus is telling them about being a breath away. Everything from the fig tree the Jesus cursed for producing no fruit, to the parable of the landowner that lets people farm his land and ends up sending his son that they end up killing, to the woman He tells on the way to the cross "do not weep for me, weep for your children", He knew something was coming and even this small obscure verse seems to fit better with the view these things already took place.
I can go on and on about this stuff, but am not trying to "correct" anyone as much as I am share how I feel He has lead me to see it.
Jesus tells them so clearly right here that that generation would be around for everything He just told hem about. Do we need to just reread the whole chapter? Go over the "ALL" He is talking about.
The whole time the story always was that the Messiah brought salvation and judgement, Jesus brought the salvation, poured His Spirit out on man, and within that generation the judgement on the covenant breaking Jews, the promised judgement at the end of that AGE that ushered in the new covenant and His kingdom on earth, not a kingdom that you can point to and say "there it is", but an eternal kingdom He rules and His people from all nations make it up, the new Israel. The kingdom that would never see defeat and that the gates of hell cannot prevail against. All this happen EXACTLY like He said it would and exactly when He said it would. Within THAT GENERATION Jerusalem was destroyed, the temple torn down, not one brick left on another, all the priestly genealogies were burnt to ash, it was described by eye witnesses like "the blood was flowing through the streets", and scenes where a woman is offering others some of her food. It was her own child she had cooked and was eating because everyone was starving to death.
To be honest I believe you HAVE to add to scripture to get anything else out of these verses. "Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Is pretty dang clear, and the fact the historical record even supports that it happened exactly like Jesus said it would is powerful to me, and putting all this future to us just takes all that away and opens Jesus up to accusations that He gave a false prophesy. So from my point of view it robs Him of the amazing nature of Gods perfect power over time and knowing what's going to happen, but it also opens Jesus up to attacks that I feel shouldn't even be on the table. Jesus predicted everything perfectly.
Now I understand the nature of this debate, trust me I am down south in the Bible belt and have never been to a church where the Pre-trib Rapture wasn't preached with fire! So I know it gets intense and I'm not trying to step on toes here, but in truth the more screws I took to this belief the less it made sense to me. I believe that everything points to this coming judgement that Jesus is telling them about being a breath away. Everything from the fig tree the Jesus cursed for producing no fruit, to the parable of the landowner that lets people farm his land and ends up sending his son that they end up killing, to the woman He tells on the way to the cross "do not weep for me, weep for your children", He knew something was coming and even this small obscure verse seems to fit better with the view these things already took place.
I can go on and on about this stuff, but am not trying to "correct" anyone as much as I am share how I feel He has lead me to see it.