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Is this meme appropriate?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • No

    Votes: 13 76.5%

  • Total voters
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Eli1

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No there is no such confusion. Certain things can fall into both categories. Abortion is both religious and political. So is homosexuality and a dozen other issues. There are times where these issues cross each other. Fact of life.
In post 38 you explained what i call Tradition but you may not be aware of it.
There's nothing wrong with Tradition but don't expect universal agreement.
This is why you may disagree with the Catholic Church and some of their traditions.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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In post 38 you explained what i call Tradition but you may not be aware of it.
There's nothing wrong with Tradition but don't expect universal agreement.
This is why you may disagree with the Catholic Church and some of their traditions.
Well some of their traditions aren't Biblical. To me this has always been America from what I've seen looking from the outside and now the inside.
 

Eli1

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Well some of their traditions aren't Biblical. To me this has always been America from what I've seen looking from the outside and now the inside.
In post 38 you also said "i don't see what the issue is".
So if you don't see, how can you even consider a different point of view?

Enjoy your traditions Rose. :)
I also have the opportunity to enjoy a few traditions from different areas of the world while rejecting other traditions.
 

maxwel

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Max I have always respected your POV even if I don't necessarily agree. I know you think deeply about these things, and you don't respond without facts and when you're giving an opinion you say so. Yes, there is a but coming. lol I got over the American political/Christian thing many years ago when I first came into the country. We were doing a concert in Maine and I remember seeing a sign above a store that was selling both guns and running a Christian bookstore. So they had a picture of a gun and "God bless you" beside it. I pointed it out to all my family because I thought it was so odd.

But really, go to Gatlinburg, you'll see all kinds of paintings, decor, caps and t-shirts with these types of images. It's as American as apple pie. It happened long before Trump and will long after. When we traveled we sold t-shirts like that all the time. So I guess I really don't see what the issue is.
Politics and Christianity are not the same... but they do overlap in places.

I just feel we should always think carefully about HOW that overlap best correlates with scripture.

That's all.



And I've always thought you were a good Christian, with nothing but the best intentions... so no problems between us whatsoever.

God Bless.

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ThereRoseaLamb

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#47
Politics and Christianity are not the same... but they do overlap in places.

I just feel we should always think carefully about HOW that overlap best correlates with scripture.

That's all.



And I've always thought you were a good Christian, with nothing but the best intentions... so no problems between us whatsoever.

God Bless.

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Wouldn't disagree with you there. Things can be taken too far. But then too far for one may not be for another. The best idea is to pray about it, at least that's always worked for me. And I've always appreciated your posts and often learned from them. I appreciate you too as a brother in the Lord.
 

JTB

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Ahhh now we get where the rubber meets the road. You don't care about the cross and the flag, its Trump that annoys you. I figured as much. So where do you see that Trump figures into this picture?
Trump is the one causing believers to conflate the Cross with the flag. He's the one who claims to be Christian, yet leads Christians away from Gods ways. They're the ones looking for a worldly savior.

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JTB

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#49
I see it in your response where you confuse religion with politics. Or more accurately God with politics.
You're not alone in this choice but in no way i will make this mistake because the other side of the AR15 Jesus is the trans Jesus that's pushed in some churches which are at the opposite end of your spectrum.

So, you enjoy yourself with your political God and i also enjoy myself with my supreme Creator and we're both happy.
No, because those who seek a political God are being lured away from the real Him. And I don't wish that on ANY brother or sister.
 

JTB

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I'm not personally into censorship for adults. I like allowing the marketplace to censor with it's choices.
you mean with it's algorithms
 

Cameron143

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you mean with it's algorithms
No. People approve or disaprove of all kinds of things with various forms of feedback...how they spend their money, what they click on, what they say and write. The saying...go woke, go broke...came through marketplace feedback of consumers not consuming products and services they find offensive.
 

Cameron143

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Trump is the one causing believers to conflate the Cross with the flag. He's the one who claims to be Christian, yet leads Christians away from Gods ways. They're the ones looking for a worldly savior.

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You have a low opinion of Christians.
 

Mem

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To me, this appears to be a depiction of Jesus pulling back the flag to reveal Himself, God. And it also seems to me to be implying that, the US ever was "one" nation, it was when everyone had been united as 'one' under God, and I suppose it won't be again unless that happens but... it is all too obvious that it isn't so indivisible....and this may be because the us is in fact not actually "one"... that's just how I see it.
 

Mem

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And, that the US is obviously not "one" would seem to imply that it is neither "under God" even though Jesus, died, was buried and rose again in order that we could be one... maybe I'm thinking too much into it there but that's what art is intended to do, I think, cause you to think about how you should interpret it as much as we should think about how to interpret a writing. And, not that I always do but, I like to start with one of the communications when attempting to interpret such things, the rule of charity which thinks the best when the message isn't so clear.
 

Mem

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maybe I'm thinking too much into it
ok, too late. I'm still thinking... :LOL:

Relative to the discussion up to my posting. It has made me wonder at the thought of having two of the best candidates it would be like to have two of best candidates to choose from that'd make it hard who to decide which was the "lesser good". If only we had that problem. :unsure:
 

HealthAndHappiness

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People with good intentions make Biblical mistakes quite often. They often superimpose their own biases onto God as if He is in agreement with their thoughts.

Paul was inspired to write, "14I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
1 Corinthians 4


That church at Corinth was an example of the most serious problems that he addressed.
We can't wrap Him in a national flag any more than depict Him as a Renaissance model. He is not compatible to man's ideals, nor should He be.

Isaiah 40 Describes what the LORD thinks,

15Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing...17All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity. 18To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?

Jesus should be exalted as the Bible describes Him, rather than compared to a man made image still on a cross or wearing a crown of thorns 2,000 years after His completed crucifixion.
 

HeIsHere

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Can you be a little more clear here? I'm not seeing what you are. Whats manipulative?
It is manipulative because it creates a false connection.

It is connecting Jesus to patriotism and nationalism (flag) when while on earth He did not connect Himself to earthly power and government.

It is from Etsy,
https://www.etsy.com/market/jesus_sublimation

Interesting. Their market name jesus_sublimation

Seems like some attempt to channel Jesus energy. Perhaps more than mere manipulative more like pronounced new age evil.


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