Is this an appropriate picture?

[Cameron143]

The Bible tells us, repeatedly, that the world will end up in the hands of the antichrist.

Do you believe we can stop that from happening? (Did God ever tell us to stop it from happening?)

Do you believe we will get there via righteous leaders?

I disagree with your eschatology. Last I checked, Jesus is holding the keys to death and hell. He's building His church and the gates of hell are impotent against His onslaught. But your post serves as an excellent reminder of how bad understanding of scripture can lead to faulty conclusions.

 

[Magenta]

It is manipulative because it creates a false connection.
It is connecting Jesus to patriotism and nationalism (flag) when while on earth He did not connect Himself
to earthly power and government. It is from Etsy, https://www.etsy.com/market/jesus_sublimation
Interesting. Their market name jesus_sublimation
Seems like some attempt to channel Jesus energy. Perhaps more than mere manipulative more like pronounced new age evil.

So much for your research...

Sublimation is the name of a specific printing technique. The dye in the ink changes
from solid to gas, embedding itself into the print material for a lasting image.

 

[Magenta]

Trump is the one causing believers to conflate the Cross with the flag. He's the one who claims to be Christian

Most presidents have been formal members of a particular church or religious body,
and a specific affiliation can be assigned to every president from James A. Garfield on.

You can check out the list of presidents by religious affiliation here (<= link).

Scroll down to the table that shows them...

 

[Magenta]

PS ~ I could not find the image on the Etsy page @HeIsHere linked us to.

But it was easy enough to find out about what is called the sublimation printing process.

Sublimation design refers to a permanent application of a design using special ink and a heat process
to adhere or embed the design on or into almost any surface. It is a scientific process where heat is
used to turn a solid into gas, skipping the liquid stage. It is a preferred method of image transfer
because unlike other printing methods that attach your design over the top of a surface, sublimation
printing embeds your dyes on a deeper level, creating vibrant designs that won’t crack or peel off.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Mammon worship, cheating workers, immorality, self idolatry, abandoning the poor sick and foreign, embracing lies and hypocrisies are not Christian values, yet they are the current-day values of the right. Are you really ready to give those up in the name of "freedom"? Did Jesus ever say to take other's freedoms away, even if they use that freedom to sin? Jesus told us to sin no more, but did He ever petition Rome to make it law?

You and I have already been through your claims, we don't agree. What do you mean by taking other peoples freedoms away, an example please.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Yes, used, past tense.

It can happen again...

 

[NightTwister]

You know, the biggest problem with deception is that those being deceived don't know they are.

Truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they think they know. So many today claim to have the truth, yet never question it.

You should take your own advice here. You are clearly being deceived.

 

[HeIsHere]

The Bible tells us, repeatedly, that the world will end up in the hands of the antichrist.

Do you believe we can stop that from happening? (Did God ever tell us to stop it from happening?)

Do you believe we will get there via righteous leaders?

Herein lies the root of problem. The Bible states no such thing.

Far more destructive thought than that picture will ever be.

Completely tragic and flawed understanding of scripture.
Sorry but it is.

 

[JTB]

I disagree with your eschatology. Last I checked, Jesus is holding the keys to death and hell. He's building His church and the gates of hell are impotent against His onslaught. But your post serves as an excellent reminder of how bad understanding of scripture can lead to faulty conclusions.

Yes it can. Good thing I've got decades of research and study on my side.

And the ability to question what I know.

Do you have that?

 

[JTB]

https://sites.google.com/view/whatwilltheendbelike/home

If you all have the stones to read it.

 

[JTB]

You and I have already been through your claims, we don't agree. What do you mean by taking other peoples freedoms away, an example please.

The freedom to love and marry who they want? The freedom to read what they want? The freedom to sin if they want?

I don't like the idea of people freely sinning, but again, show me where Jesus petitioned Rome to have such activity outlawed.

 

[Cameron143]

Yes it can. Good thing I've got decades of research and study on my side.

And the ability to question what I know.

Do you have that?

Every thinking person has that. You set yourself up as an authority and your credentials come from yourself. That's why an earlier poster said you have deluded yourself. Your characterization of Christians is incorrect.

 

[HeIsHere]

To me the image clearly depicts a political message. What is the message? Jesus is a patriot and is on the side of Trump, MAGA, and the Republican party. If you want to be on Jesus' side, vote Republican. A lot of places are selling this and similar images on merchandise. It's a shameful exploitation of the Lord with political and financial motives.

I would say this sums it up perfectly.

 

[Mem]

To me the image clearly depicts a political message. What is the message? Jesus is a patriot and is on the side of Trump, MAGA, and the Republican party. If you want to be on Jesus' side, vote Republican. A lot of places are selling this and similar images on merchandise. It's a shameful exploitation of the Lord with political and financial motives.

Why is it only the right that offers Jesus any consideration at all? Is the left more cognizant of, and therefore, more observant of, political and religious lines? Is it such a hard line in their regard? In saying to religion that "ye shall only come so far" itself seems, to me, to exert the state's power beyond the purposes of the intents of that demarcation.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The freedom to love and marry who they want? The freedom to read what they want? The freedom to sin if they want?

I don't like the idea of people freely sinning, but again, show me where Jesus petitioned Rome to have such activity outlawed.

Come on, be serious. You're being ridiculous. We're talking about God given rights.

 

[JTB]

Cam, Rose, we've been down this road before. So I'm going to wish you both well and move on.

And yeah, I didn't think you had the stones

 

[Cameron143]

Cam, Rose, we've been down this road before. So I'm going to wish you both well and move on.

And yeah, I didn't think you had the stones

You wish us well and then take a parting shot. Nice.

 

[Moses_Young]

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Same with these images??

The images you posted are patriotic, not blasphemous. The men in the pictures are showing subjection both to God and the republic (and as Christians, we presume in that order, although others may not). The first picture puts Jesus as the one beholden to the flag, when He is not.

 

[Moses_Young]

He's holding the flag, how do you see that as subservient?

The man depicted as Jesus (by wearing the crown of thorns and the central cross beneath) is holding the flag close during His suffering, as if the flag is giving Him strength, or as if He is suffering for the flag (possibly both). Both are nonsensical blasphemy (Jesus is God and needs no strength from His Creation, and He certainly didn't suffer for the US flag or even only the US people - "for God so loved the world"), although Freemasons might like us to believe in the idea that God is subject to the politics of man.

However, note Jesus' response to Joshua in Joshua 5:13. If ever God was on a nation's side, we would expect it to be Israel (that is, the real Israel in the Old Testament, rather than a nation claiming to be Israel today). But when Joshua spoke to Jesus - "Art thou for us, or our enemies?" - note Jesus response - "Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come." And note Joshua's response to this - he fell on his face to the earth, and did worship.

I think it's good to support a political party that is promising or promoting to do good (e.g. Trump over the Democrats), as I also believe it is good to refrain from the political process for those so convicted, but we must remember it is Christ who saved us - we are on His side and He is our Captain, and not seek to embark on yet another "holy" war or crusade trying to enlist God to support our causes.

I'm not saying anyone here is doing this, but I am saying this is what the picture represents - government or political affiliation over God.

 

[HeIsHere]

https://sites.google.com/view/whatwilltheendbelike/home

If you all have the stones to read it.

Wow the really took mental,physical and emotional endurance to read, and I am a woman, but man I really had to put my testosterone
in gear to get through it!!!!