How do you get saved?

[mailmandan]

That’s why we need the Holy Spirit to help us interpret scripture.

1 Corinthians 2:11-14.

 

[Burn1986]

The scripture below parallels what was presented to all groups of humanity concerning the NT rebirth:

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, AND by the Spirit of our God." 1 Cor 6:9-11

Yawn

 

[NEWTOCHRISTIANITY]

So if you confess with your mouth and believe in your Heart that Jesus is Lord, and then die on the way to get baptized, then you go to Hell?!

@Burn1986 : You should be a Stand-Up comedian, sonny!!

 

[Wansvic]

Whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a
spring of water welling up to eternal life. Earthly H2O? Very doubtful. In fact, we can say with great confidence, "NO!"

Of course that is Jesus' reference to the Holy Ghost. His comment doesn't negate the need of obey the command of water baptism as well.

 

[DJT_47]

So if you confess with your mouth and believe in your Heart that Jesus is Lord, and then die on the way to get baptized, then you go to Hell?!

There are no exceptions. The words are emphatic. Belief + baptism = salvation. That's why it's of the utmost importance to get baptized immediately which is exactly what you see when reading the various accounts of conversions in the bible. Don't be swayed your own logic. The words of the bible are what to believe, not your own logic or intuition. If there were exceptions, then the words of the bible would be meaningless and God's wird could not be relied upon, and the exceptions or caveats would be noted. There aren't any.

 

[Sipsey]

There are no exceptions. The words are emphatic. Belief + baptism = salvation. That's why it's of the utmost importance to get baptized immediately which is exactly what you see when reading the various accounts of conversions in the bible. Don't be swayed your own logic. The words of the bible are what to believe, not your own logic or intuition. If there were exceptions, then the words of the bible would be meaningless and God's wird could not be relied upon, and the exceptions or caveats would be noted. There aren't any.

So, what do you do with this verse?

Ephesians 4
4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[rogerg]

There are no exceptions. The words are emphatic. Belief + baptism = salvation. That's why it's of the utmost importance to get baptized immediately which is exactly what you see when reading the various accounts of conversions in the bible. Don't be swayed your own logic. The words of the bible are what to believe, not your own logic or intuition. If there were exceptions, then the words of the bible would be meaningless and God's wird could not be relied upon, and the exceptions or caveats would be noted. There aren't any.

So then, by the above, you're saying you don't believe that Jesus is the Saviour but instead that man is? That Jesus alone is the Saviour, is not only in the gospel, it is the gospel.

 

[DJT_47]

@Burn1986 : You should be a Stand-Up comedian, sonny!!

Per another note and since o couldn't send you a private message, I'll take this opportunity go fo do publicly. Since you're new to Christianity, I strongly suggest you seek the nearest congregation of the church of Christ. They are there in Australia. They WILL help you on all respects regarding the word of God.

https://www.cofc.com.au/

 

[Burn1986]

There are no exceptions. The words are emphatic. Belief + baptism = salvation. That's why it's of the utmost importance to get baptized immediately which is exactly what you see when reading the various accounts of conversions in the bible. Don't be swayed your own logic. The words of the bible are what to believe, not your own logic or intuition. If there were exceptions, then the words of the bible would be meaningless and God's wird could not be relied upon, and the exceptions or caveats would be noted. There aren't any.

so, you do Romans 10:9-10, 13 and you go to Hell? Not sure what you’re saying.

 

[DJT_47]

so, you do Romans 10:9-10, 13 and you go to Hell? Not sure what you’re saying.

Believe, confess your belief, repent, be baptized.

 

[mailmandan]

There are no exceptions. The words are emphatic. Belief + baptism = salvation. That's why it's of the utmost importance to get baptized immediately which is exactly what you see when reading the various accounts of conversions in the bible. Don't be swayed your own logic. The words of the bible are what to believe, not your own logic or intuition. If there were exceptions, then the words of the bible would be meaningless and God's wird could not be relied upon, and the exceptions or caveats would be noted. There aren't any.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[mailmandan]

Believe, confess your belief, repent, be baptized.

Repentance actually "precedes" believe, believe the gospel, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. *Notice the order.

Mark 1:15 - The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe the gospel. *Notice the order.

Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. *Notice the order.

Confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. (Romans 10:8-10) But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” TOGETHER (that is, the word of faith which we preach). (Romans 10:8)

Water baptism "follows" believes in Him/receives remission of sins. (Acts 10:43-47)

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Repentance actually "precedes" believe, believe the gospel, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. *Notice the order.

Mark 1:15 - The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe the gospel. *Notice the order.

Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. *Notice the order.

Confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. (Romans 10:8-10) But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” TOGETHER (that is, the word of faith which we preach). (Romans 10:8)

Water baptism "follows" believes in Him/receives remission of sins. (Acts 10:43-47)

Amen

No one will trust God unless their first repent.. Faith is a byproduct of repentance.

And faith is the means we are justified

 

[Wansvic]

so, you do Romans 10:9-10, 13 and you go to Hell? Not sure what you’re saying.

Paul was addressing those who were already born again. Confessing Jesus to others is to be a lifelong commitment.

"For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." 1 Cor 9:16-27


Keep in mind, Paul also said we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. (Php. 2:12)

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Paul was addressing those who were already born again. Confessing Jesus to others is to be a lifelong commitment.

"For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." 1 Cor 9:16-27


Keep in mind, Paul also said we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. (Php. 2:12)

this is what it looks like when you think you can meet Gods standard and earn your way to heaven.

Run as far as you can from these modern day pharisees, who would stand right by those who crucified Christ. Because Christ would call them out also.

 

[Jimbone]

I was sincere when asking if you were referring to water baptism in your post. I asked because many believe baptism in the name of Jesus is not water baptism. I just wanted clarification before answering your question. However, since I've received no response please consider the following:

I don't understand your being annoyed with what I shared concerning the NT rebirth. Especially since you've been obedient to the commands relative to the experience. Repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin, and receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost is required of everyone regardless of the sequence in which they occur. All detailed accounts witness this to be true.

In the Samaritan account, the people knew that hadn't received the Holy Ghost even though they believed the gospel message and submitted to water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. (This begs the question, How did they know the experience had not occurred?) Peter and John came days later to assist them in receiving the Holy Ghost; indicating both experiences were necessary. (Acts 8:12-17, 2:38, 22:16)

The Gentile account proved yet again both experiences were necessary. Even though they received the indwelling of the Holy Ghost, they had to obey the water baptism command in order for their sins to be remitted. (Acts 10:43-48, 2:38, 22:16)

The account of the 12 Ephesian disciples sheds light on the same thing. It reveals all individuals must follow the instructions presented at Pentecost in order to acquire the NT rebirth. The 12 had submitted to John's baptism, yet were required to be re-baptized in water in the name of Jesus in association with His sacrifice. And, afterward Paul laid hands upon them and they received the Holy Ghost.

If you will recall, Jesus pointed out the need to lay a proper foundation AFTER telling a group of believers that He never knew them. (Matt. 7:21-27) That account is eye opening. The account as recorded in Luke gets more specific, it states a foundation must be LAID UPON the rock. (Luke 6:47-48)

The book of Hebrews reveals the foundation all must LAY UPON the rock. The rock being Jesus, the Cornerstone:
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again (this indicates it must be laid) the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2


Note the striking parallel as seen in all detailed conversion accounts: (Acts 2:4, 36-42, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)

Then it seems we've just completely misunderstood each other and seem to not be correct in what we thought the other was saying. I honestly don't find it's worth going back to reread everything to try and find where the disconnect took place. I'm not trying to be dismissive, but if I misunderstood you to believe that water baptism, the physical act, was required to be saved, then I apologize and my comment doesn't really apply to you at all. So if you are not saying that "without the water baptism one CANNOT be saved", then my bad man, I misunderstood. I didn't exactly follow what you are trying to really say.

See like me, I KNOW that the water part has nothing at all to do with the saving but has to do with our newfound obedience to His word after we are saved. See this is what I believe, now I can go into why I believe this and defending my reasons with scripture, but really what I'm not seeming to get from you is exactly what you believe a person needs to do to be saved. I am saying without a doubt I believe one can be all the way saved without a physical "water baptism". Now if you want to talk about the spiritual baptism that takes place when we are saved in truth, then Yes I do believe that this is the act when our dead spirit is resurrected and reconciled with His Spirit. This I do believe is require to be saved, but it is the literal act of God saving you then and there, so it would be tough to say this one isn't required, but it's not "YOU/ME/WE" doing it like a water baptism.

So can you just tell me clearly what you believe, I've read the bible, I know the verses, if I see something I don't feel lines up I will ask about where did to get that from, I'm not looking for another wall of text that is using so many words to leave me with no idea what you're really trying to say.

 

[Wansvic]

Then it seems we've just completely misunderstood each other and seem to not be correct in what we thought the other was saying. I honestly don't find it's worth going back to reread everything to try and find where the disconnect took place. I'm not trying to be dismissive, but if I misunderstood you to believe that water baptism, the physical act, was required to be saved, then I apologize and my comment doesn't really apply to you at all. So if you are not saying that "without the water baptism one CANNOT be saved", then my bad man, I misunderstood. I didn't exactly follow what you are trying to really say.

See like me, I KNOW that the water part has nothing at all to do with the saving but has to do with our newfound obedience to His word after we are saved. See this is what I believe, now I can go into why I believe this and defending my reasons with scripture, but really what I'm not seeming to get from you is exactly what you believe a person needs to do to be saved. I am saying without a doubt I believe one can be all the way saved without a physical "water baptism". Now if you want to talk about the spiritual baptism that takes place when we are saved in truth, then Yes I do believe that this is the act when our dead spirit is resurrected and reconciled with His Spirit. This I do believe is require to be saved, but it is the literal act of God saving you then and there, so it would be tough to say this one isn't required, but it's not "YOU/ME/WE" doing it like a water baptism.

So can you just tell me clearly what you believe, I've read the bible, I know the verses, if I see something I don't feel lines up I will ask about where did to get that from, I'm not looking for another wall of text that is using so many words to leave me with no idea what you're really trying to say.

Scripture reveals belief in Jesus, repentance, obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus remits one sin, and all must receive the Holy Ghost into their physical body.

 

[DJT_47]

Scripture reveals belief in Jesus, repentance, obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus remits one sin, and all must receive the Holy Ghost into their physical body.

It's plain as day. That's exactly what the scriptures say. Water baptism IS an essential part of the salvation process; it can only be denied by idiots, those that can't read, or those doing the devil's work, knowingly or unknowingly.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

It's plain as day. That's exactly what the scriptures say. Water baptism IS an essential part of the salvation process; it can only be denied by idiots, those that can't read, or those doing the devil's work, knowingly or unknowingly.

Only a fool (pauls words not mine) would say we begin in the spirit but perfect in the flesh.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done (water baptism is a work of righteousness in which we do) But by HIS MERCY HE SAVED US, by the WASHING and RENEWAL of the HOLYSPIRIT

You want to commit blasphemy of the spirit. feel free.. But don;t call people who trust in God idiots!

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Scripture reveals belief in Jesus, repentance, obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus remits one sin, and all must receive the Holy Ghost into their physical body.

it says no such thing