Does God continue to love us all, has God continued from day one of the fall of Adam?

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homwardbound

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It seems to me, after reading the entire Bible through and through. It seems to me
God has continued, not wanting any harm to get given to anyone, (Even though harm has come, just not by God) and God will not stop free will to anyone.
I see this now, if God stops my free will, then God cannot claim God loves me and all others also. Without free will given, we would be puppets, forced to love. I do not see how I can get anyone to love me truthfully, without taking away one's free will, can any of you? Therefore be free to be free, even if you do not like what the other is doing or has done, Stay away from those.
Also understanding this too. God has free will too, y'all
I think I willingly choose to see what God is saying and I see the entire Bible now as a gigantic love letter to me and all of y'all too, thanks
Jeremiah 29:11
 
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#2
Yes God is Love, but God's love is not a soft fluffy love.

Gods Love is the tough practical love that enables one to learn through painful lessons that sin hurts.
 

blueluna5

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God loves all his chosen people. Yes..

The Bible never says God loves all people. I look at the Bible as a "kingdom" kingdom of heaven, with God as the king. He's teaching us about HIS kingdom and how to apply it, not in heaven, but here! On earth.

God's love for his people is deep though. Even though he disciplines his people. Moses for example never got to see the promise land.... this is a man he loves so much he let see him face to face. Yet he still had consequences.

But the Bible also says there are people he hates. He's God and that's his right.
 

homwardbound

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Yes God is Love, but God's love is not a soft fluffy love.

Gods Love is the tough practical love that enables one to learn through painful lessons that sin hurts.
Maybe you are having problems in obeying God, have you wondered why? I do not know anyone else but God and me, thank you
There is a gigantic difference in God's Love and the world's love. Dead to flesh that is not reconciled yet, so I daily die to flesh (Rom 6:12), and still have the enemy of flesh, always as a Gadfly
As Paul who prayed three times, me a lot more (2 Cor 12:7-10)
I see to say thanks Lord, yes your grace is sufficient for me too. I need you 24/7 Thank you (Psalms 100:4)


Psalm 1

Authorized (King James) Version

Psalm 1
1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor standeth in the way of sinners,
nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water,
that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
 

homwardbound

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God loves all his chosen people. Yes..

The Bible never says God loves all people. I look at the Bible as a "kingdom" kingdom of heaven, with God as the king. He's teaching us about HIS kingdom and how to apply it, not in heaven, but here! On earth.

God's love for his people is deep though. Even though he disciplines his people. Moses for example never got to see the promise land.... this is a man he loves so much he let see him face to face. Yet he still had consequences.

But the Bible also says there are people he hates. He's God and that's his right.
I bet you think by earth teachings, God hates Esau! Read further in Genesis and see God does not hate Esau or anyone. God hates whatever anyone does that God knows is not good for them
Jeremiah 29:11. God gave us all free will, great. Yet remember God has free will above us all. God wants us to see Psalms 82:1-7, and stand down from playing God, please, Also the prophesy of Isaiah 6:1-7 about Jesus taking the tongs of the fire, to put on our unclean lips

Yes, that is correct, God has the ultimate right. Yet chose through Son to get us first forgiven, reconciled in his son at his death one time for all. To now either believe God or not consciously and receive the tongs of the fire on our unclean lips=, new life in the risen Jesus Christ offered and thus be new no longer under Law (Gal 3:19-26)

That is all that got left is to choose God (Good) over Evil as every person is first born with this knowledge
And God is the only one good. God is good all the time as good is God all the time
Love from God to all, God remains faithful in this, thanking God Psalms 100:4, 103:12
 

montana123

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It seems to me, after reading the entire Bible through and through. It seems to me
God has continued, not wanting any harm to get given to anyone, (Even though harm has come, just not by God) and God will not stop free will to anyone.
I see this now, if God stops my free will, then God cannot claim God loves me and all others also. Without free will given, we would be puppets, forced to love. I do not see how I can get anyone to love me truthfully, without taking away one's free will, can any of you? Therefore be free to be free, even if you do not like what the other is doing or has done, Stay away from those.
Also understanding this too. God has free will too, y'all
I think I willingly choose to see what God is saying and I see the entire Bible now as a gigantic love letter to me and all of y'all too, thanks
Jeremiah 29:11
I like how you understand the purpose of free will and if we do not have free will then how is God love, which how is God's kingdom based on love if we do not have free will for then we will be puppets.

That is common sense.

You can program your computer to say I love you, but does your computer really love you, and you can program your computer to say I hate you, and will you get mad and smash your computer.

God also does not want to give harm to anyone which we are under grace which testifies of that.

He leaves people alone and people of the world will fall in to trouble because they do not have the protection of God which is what happened to Israel on many an occasion.

Concerning the saints loving people they are to love people no matter how they act towards them which is why Jesus said love your enemies, and feed and clothe your enemies.

Concerning God's love towards the world the love that Jesus showed while on earth that He did not physically hurt anyone, did not verbally abuse anyone, and told the saints to do the same thing is the same love that applies now to all people.
 

Burn1986

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Maybe you are having problems in obeying God, have you wondered why? I do not know anyone else but God and me, thank you
There is a gigantic difference in God's Love and the world's love. Dead to flesh that is not reconciled yet, so I daily die to flesh (Rom 6:12), and still have the enemy of flesh, always as a Gadfly
As Paul who prayed three times, me a lot more (2 Cor 12:7-10)
I see to say thanks Lord, yes your grace is sufficient for me too. I need you 24/7 Thank you (Psalms 100:4)


Psalm 1

Authorized (King James) Version

Psalm 1
1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor standeth in the way of sinners,
nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water,
that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
“As Paul who prayed three times, me a lot more” - Is that pride right there?
 
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Maybe you are having problems in obeying God, have you wondered why? I do not know anyone else but God and me, thank you
I'd be interested in learning how you read that in my post?
Equally to learn how as a Bible scholar you ignore all the biblical references to teachers, preachers and leaders.
As a Christian you will be firmly embedded in a local church, willing to submit to its teaching, leading and discipline.
 

homwardbound

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I'd be interested in learning how you read that in my post?
Equally to learn how as a Bible scholar you ignore all the biblical references to teachers, preachers and leaders.
As a Christian you will be firmly embedded in a local church, willing to submit to its teaching, leading and discipline.
There is only one mediator, between God and Man, that be the risen Son Jesus the Christ, Alive and will never die again ever.
Man flesh is being in charge still, under the guise of God, is leading them, yet Christ the risen gets preached, Amen!!!!!!!!!!! As Paul says, I will glory in both, those that are sincere and those that are not sincere. Christ is preached. God comes in Spirit and Truth for each kid, that believes God over man.
The true Church is not Church. Church in Greek means building. We are the "Ecclesia" the called out one's
That God has called and spiked through us as on Pentecost. Those disciples there then were only God's willing Vessels, thanks
I am standing intrust to God not the worldlyy Church

All are first born as dead too God in the flesh, after the similitude of Adam the first. All that are made alive are born new in the risen Son Jesus the Christ, the way, the truth and the new life given us to stand in love and mercy to all, thank you.
No law, not under Law, uphold Law as good and needed, seeing I at least can not do it. I need God's grace and that is sufficient from God to me and all the world. I glory in my need for God to lead, not in buildings Hebrews 8:1-4
 

homwardbound

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I'd be interested in learning how you read that in my post?
Equally to learn how as a Bible scholar you ignore all the biblical references to teachers, preachers and leaders.
As a Christian you will be firmly embedded in a local church, willing to submit to its teaching, leading and discipline.
I am not you and have not read, or judged, what you do or not do. God knows, that I rest in.
I stated Maybe, and you have responded to this, therefore, you decide between God and you. I see to not judge you or anyone. God had got that in Son for us the people, thanks
Church on Earth is on a corner of walk don't walk. People of the flesh having control over others

Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Tell you, whose commands ar you obeying, man's interpretations of truth. it assuredly seemed that way in the same day as Jesus was here on Earth, exposing them
Do you think anything has changed? Or is man flesh still after his way over God's in their own selfishness of here and now?
Just as when Jesus turned to the crowd back then and said what did you come out here for?
To get fed and be held in flesh? I am here to give you life, new and with Abundance
John 10:10 reveals this in
Two parts of that scripture to me at least
The thief first part, who, what, and where is the thief at?
Who, what and is Jesus in his risen Life to you? Has Father given the risen Son to you, and joined in with you, Father in Spirit and Truth to lead you? If you willing to God, without any false pretense, then this you will see if not yet see it yet
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Yes God is Love, but God's love is not a soft fluffy love.

Gods Love is the tough practical love that enables one to learn through painful lessons that sin hurts.

Perhaps, maybe at times, but God's love is deeper than any ocean and as vast. We can never understand the depth and breadth of His mercy.
 

homwardbound

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Perhaps, maybe at times, but God's love is deeper than any ocean and as vast. We can never understand the depth and breadth of His mercy.
I, view this love as Mercy to respond to God in thanksgiving and praise, seeing by Son, all sin is now taken away (John 1:29, Hebrews 10:10-12)
Psalms 100:4, 103:12, asking for Ezekiel 36:26 for the New heart given back to us in the first Adam, before the fall. Now having the knowledge of good and evil, with the New Heart in the risen Son for us, God Father joined in as the Holy Spirit to guide us in how to use knowing what is right and wrong. Now doing what is right, over the excuses used in past to get away with harming others as if Justified
All got, Sanctified, in Jesus, The death sanctified everyone as forgiven. Just no new life yet given, until beleif to God,. Son is risen between God and you, thank you Lord. And willingly accepts this truth. Is born new from God to all that Will not quit belief.
We do not need more forgiveness, the tis done in Son (John 19:30) he its risen, where new life is given
seeing Isaiah 6:1-7
 
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I am not you and have not read, or judged, what you do or not do. God knows, that I rest in.
I stated Maybe, and you have responded to this, therefore, you decide between God and you
When you reply to a post saying ' you ' in your reply then you are making a personal reply to that person.

If you want to make an impersonal reply use ' one' as in one can reply to a post with out being personal to the poster.
 

homwardbound

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When you reply to a post saying ' you ' in your reply then you are making a personal reply to that person.

If you want to make an impersonal reply use ' one' as in one can reply to a post with out being personal to the poster.
Sorry, you do not see the I said Maybe, and never meant to offend you. I will be alert, and trust God to do the posting through me, that does not, has not always happened. Learning (Luke 21:14-15)
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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God loves all his chosen people. Yes..

The Bible never says God loves all people.
Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Acts 10:34-35
So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

7Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He Himself is the atoning sacrificea for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world
 

homwardbound

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I like how you understand the purpose of free will and if we do not have free will then how is God love, which how is God's kingdom based on love if we do not have free will for then we will be puppets.

That is common sense.

You can program your computer to say I love you, but does your computer really love you, and you can program your computer to say I hate you, and will you get mad and smash your computer.

God also does not want to give harm to anyone which we are under grace which testifies of that.

He leaves people alone and people of the world will fall in to trouble because they do not have the protection of God which is what happened to Israel on many an occasion.

Concerning the saints loving people they are to love people no matter how they act towards them which is why Jesus said love your enemies, and feed and clothe your enemies.

Concerning God's love towards the world the love that Jesus showed while on earth that He did not physically hurt anyone, did not verbally abuse anyone, and told the saints to do the same thing is the same love that applies now to all people.
God has revealed this to you, Thanking God for this truth given you.
I see Romans 2:1-4 about this love of God given me. If I accuse, abuse and harm anyone else, then I have not received the truth that got me in for free from God
As God in Son went to that death once for us the people to see it, the willingness to not harm anyone, even though others harm others without regard

So, all I can say is harm no one, and continue to be new, as God has taken you in as God's child. Father, the Holy Spirit will tell you, me and all his children and never will force anything on us as people do unfortunately so, as I have done in past myself also. Seeing, presently and standing in the present only (That is the Present from God) seeing and thus not ever harming again on purpose as did, before Born new by God, getting mature, not that I know, God knows and God I trust only, seeing now, all anger that had me all of a sudden in anger in past did that to me and others I bet too. God is teaching me, how to rest in God's done work of Son for me and all others too. This earth's teaching is that people accept as true, what they tell you from the pulpit and many times tell you the truth, yet they do not do it themselves. These. liars using truth, to get others to follow them under their truth they use and it deceives people as has for many years now, before the cross and after the cross. This world's preachers, preach only a Half-Sham Gospel. The death and we better do it as Jesus did or else. Leaves guilt to you, me and all others when Son took sin away at that dross for us to cross over with him now and forever in his resurrection. Then if one does do as these world preachers preach as they wanted you to do, they got you. Now, when they got you, they compliment you and when you do not do or go as they tell you, then you get punished as if you are not good enough, then pride sets in them and one does not need God when it is the self doing it, that is religion! Doing work to get or to keep if got! He is risen to give new life for us all that ask for it without any self motives to spend it on self.
I hear this, what is the best for you to do over this trouble, you are in? I reply to stand in trust God and not harm anyone. Vengeance is mine says the Lord. Do no harm, since youGod went to that cross once for us all to believe you in love and mercy from you. Hebrews 10:10-12
When evil gets kindness from others doing evil to them, (Not being a door mat either) it perplexes them or not. However, I know Father and Son are for me and all others too and will keep me and you and all his children safe. Romans 8:28
Even, if it does not look like it at the present moment Trouble going on.
I know, in 2012, I died seven times in the Emergency room, was there for two weeks, before released, lost all I had, became temporarily homeless and in a wheelchair. God, I stood in and would not deny God, even in those tragic moments. Now, no more Wheelchair, not homeless, no more walker, no more cane
All I can say is stand, stand, stand, stand and stand in belief to God, no matter what happens to you, good or bad
Thanks for seeing friend in the risen "Son
Jesus unto Father, the Holy Spirit
I am accountable for every response I make to anyone Thanks, standing in belief Faith trust to God over it all
When ever I get anger setting in, I stop, sit and be still, to let it sort out win me first by God for me to answer or not answer
Love, 'The Good News"
 

homwardbound

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Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Acts 10:34-35
So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

7Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He Himself is the atoning sacrificea for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world


Thank you, I see the verse above about atonement or atoning sacrifice. In truth of John 1:29 Sin is not atoned for, it is by Son in God and God in Son taken away gone, finished for us to respond to and ask for the new life offered us in the risen Son as born again, where no sin can run through us, unless we forget all sin is forgiven by God to us
2 Peter 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Waking daily with thank you all sin forgiven by you in Son for me a=nd all the world, thank you. Now I am about to go out and about Lord. I need you as my faucet tap, the Spirit water flowing through me
Luke 21:14-15. Matthew 10:16-20
 

homwardbound

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Ephesians 2:1-5

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2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
 

blueluna5

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Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Acts 10:34-35
So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

7Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He Himself is the atoning sacrificea for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world
Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
romans 9:13

Don’t behave like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother 1 John 3:12

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. 1 Samuel 15

Jesus said... to the Pharisees (people)
“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation. Matthew 23:33

God specifically says he doesn't love everyone, even hates some. He hates them before they were even born.

This is not to make anyone feel bad about themselves or say God doesn't love a specific person. Imagine if you asked your spouse "do you love me?" And he said "yes, I love all women the same." That is not actually love. That's some socialism idea we were brainwashed into believing is Christianity.
 

Burn1986

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Sorry, you do not see the I said Maybe, and never meant to offend you. I will be alert, and trust God to do the posting through me, that does not, has not always happened. Learning (Luke 21:14-15)
Whew, I’m so glad we got that fixed. I was up late last night worried about the grammar in this thread 😎