Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[HeIsHere]

Look who tortures scripture now.

Lol, there are plenty of people who know Koine Greek who make an excellent analysis of the grammar, you should read it,

As well even the famous John Calvin had a better understanding of faith than what is put forward by your school of thought you should read that too!

 

[studier]

Acts 2:37 suggests the Spirit works before man responds.

"suggests" meaning you're inserting it?

 

[Mem]

People believe truth generally when they draw their own conclusions.

People generally appreciate the freedom of religion, yes.

Psalm 73:21 is cross referenced with Acts 2:37 and Asaph subsequently notes in v.22 "I was senseless and ignorant; I was a beast before you."

And those in acts responded likewise, they acknowledged their own ignorance and it hurt.

 

[studier]

No. He can understand, but faith comes from a source other than man. It is a gift from God.

Sounds like we're back to TULIP.

So, fallen man can understand, but cannot believe what he understands?

 

[Mem]

...those that face their ignorance and resent the pain, harden their hearts.

 

[HeIsHere]

Sounds like we're back to TULIP.

So, fallen man can understand, but cannot believe what he understands?

Trained responses, and here we go.....

 

[studier]

Trained responses, and here we go.....

It's all really quite astounding...

 

[studier]

they acknowledged their own ignorance and it hurt

those that face their ignorance and resent the pain, harden their hearts

Just worthy of repeating...

 

[PaulThomson]

Right. But a person believes by faith. No natural man possesses faith.

Faith is a natural faculty all people possess. Otherwise you would never act expecting a particular outcome. Saving faith is that native faith directed toward a person or persons who can save.

 

[PaulThomson]

No he doesn't have faith or it wouldn't be necessary for salvation. It is produced by the word of God and the Spirit of God.

Does God have to give a man the faith to believe a lie before he can believe that lie? Or are men presented with delusions upon which they believe with native faith?

 

[PaulThomson]

Because without faith it is impossible to please God.

You are falling for the negative inference fallacy again. Without faith it is impossible to please God, does not imply that all those who do not please God have no faith.

Without sight it is impossible to read this text, does not mean that all people who cannot read this text have no sight.

 

[PaulThomson]

You believe man is good because it appears he does some good things.

No. That's not what I said or believe. I said man does not become good by merely doing something good some time. An apple that is only 10% rotten is not good, even though parts of it are good. I said only God is good because everything He does is good all the time.

You argue as though something bad cannot contain any good, which is total depravity. But from the other side of your mouth you argue that man is not totally depraved, depending on which claim help your argument at the time.

 

[PaulThomson]

…persuaded by the Holy Spirit. Amen.
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.

- John 16:13-14 (NKJV)

God can lead someone into all truth does not mean that only God can lead someone into any truth.

 

[rogerg]

Unless you've been given access to the back door, right? a door reserved only for the elect?

No, the owner's son, because they were his friends, accepted responsibility and made good on all current and future damages, such that, for them, the owner was/would be fully compensated, and permanently indemnified. Not so for those not his friends. They demanded to make full payment themselves for any/all damages that would ever occur. Much to their shock and surprise, as it turned out, they were unable to do so because the cost went far beyond their ability to pay - the damages were far greater than a broken teacup.

 

[Cameron143]

So, upon hearing?

Hearing and pricking. The whole of man is corrupt...heart, mind, and will. When the heart is circumcised...pricked in the heart, the mind is renewed...they heard, and the will is affected...what shall we do?
They were then able to respond in faith.

 

[Magenta]

Ah. So what is the difference between a believer who is not elected and predestined (which I believe is impossible) and a nonbeliever?

Another LOL post from you. You should be telling us the answer to that nonsense question, since you believe those who were not chosen in Him before the foundation of the world can use their "free will" to choose to believe anyway, and then make themselves elect retroactively.

 

[Cameron143]

"suggests" meaning you're inserting it?

Who pricked their hearts?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

studier said:
Why is God demonstrating His power to dead men who have no ability to receive it?


ROTFL. A blind man is walking towards a display of expensive china. The owner holds up a warning sign in front of the blind man not to procede or he will be charged for all breakages. The blind man keeps walking and destroys $20,000 worth of stock and is sued for compensation by the owner. Why did the owner hold up the sign? For a witness against the blind man?

"I warned you. You didn't heed my warning. Therefore, you are culpable."

This is the calvinist view of justice.

Do you notice the story includes that the store owner knows the man is blind + puts up a sign knowing the blind man cannot read + still allows the blind man to enter knowing damages will occur?

Just like Satan does to humanity.
Sets people up to fall.

 

[selahsays]

Jesus came to save the lost.

Another LOL post from you. You should be telling us the answer to that nonsense question, since you believe those who were not chosen in Him before the foundation of the world can use their "free will" to choose to believe anyway, and then make themselves elect retroactively.

We all choose, either to believe or reject Jesus. Yep.

 

[Magenta]

I looked at it.

Not really talking about the goodness of man.

If man is incapable/totally depraved/totally unable to respond to the truth of Gospel message and scripture and God does not give the person a changed heart first/enables as you assert, as a prerequisite to salvation, then God is responsible for unbelief and I will go one step further Jesus sets up the people for failure.

And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand:
Matthew 5:10

Can you own the logical result of this interpretation?

Romans 11:32