Pentecost 2024

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FlyingDove

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Pentecost 2024 begins at sundown on Tues June 11th, and concludes at nightfall on Thurs June 15h 2024. (Hebrew calendar, Sivan 6th-7th 5782)

1st Pentecost:
Moses gives the Torah/Commandments at Mt Sinai & the Nation of Israel is born (Ex 19:1-22,23)

At the 1st post resurrection Pentecost:
Christ sends (Matt 3:11, Acts 2:4) His new covenant saving/eternally sealing (2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Tim 1:14.) indwelling Holy Spirit & the NT/Christian Church is born!

Names: Pentecost (Greek) Shavuot (Hebrew) Festival of Harvest (Ex 23:16), Festival of Weeks (Ex 34:22, Lev 23:15-22, Deut 16:16, 2 Chron 8:13, Num 28:26)

Acts 2:
1 (A) When the day of Pentecost was fully come
4 (A) they were all filled with the Holy Spirit
(NOTE: Right here the new covenant begins: Jesus baptized (Matt 3:11, Jn 1:33, Acts 2:4, Rom 8:9-11) believers with His salvation sealing. forever indwelling (Jn 14:16) Holy Spirit.

When we believe/place our faith in Christ's sin atoning death (sins required wage PAID), burial (proof Christ died) & resurrection (Father God's receipt, sins required payment received & accepted. (See 1 Cor 15:1-4, Rom 10:9, Eph 1:13).

The new COVENANT is realized with a SPIRITUAL SEALING. (2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Tim 1:14.)

Christ alone can baptize (Matt 3:11, Acts 2:4, 1:5, 2:38, 4:31, Jn 3:5, 1 Pet 3:21, 1 Cor 6:19, 12:13, Rom 8:9-11) the believer with his salvation/sealing indwelling Holy Spirit.

Early Pentecost traditions:

BOOK OF RUTH
For 3500 yrs the Book of Ruth has been read every Pentecost. The story of Boaz a Kinsman Redeemer. A shadow of Christ & his Bride/Church. Boaz a wealthy landowner of the tribe of Judah, takes Ruth, a gentile, for his wife.

Ruth 3:9 And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: ""spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid"" for thou art a near kinsman.
(NOTE: Spread therefore thy skirt (TALITH) over thine hand maid: This verse is a marriage proposal. When a Jewish man married a woman, he threw the end of his skirt (TALITH) over her head, covering her, to signify that she was now under his covering/protection. When we say yes to Christ, he seals us with his Holy Spirit of covering/protection)

Rabbinic traditions:

DECORATING THE BRIDE:
Another shadow on Pentecost: A time spent tradition called ""decorating the bride"". (The Church is the Bride of Christ) Jews stayed up all night studying Scripture (tikkun). In the hope that they will receive a special blessing. They believe that God will favorably answer prayer by briefly opening up the heavens and supply a blessing. Sounds like Thes 4:16 to me! Christ is coming soon for his Bride/Church.

FESTIVAL WITHOUT A DATE
Pentecost was also referred to as "the festival without a date." Originally this Feast didn’t have a fixed date. It was calculated by the new moon, when crops began to bloom prior to Passover & a seven week countdown. With leap months the actual calendar day/date was quite flexible. After the destruction of the Temple the 6th of Sivan became a fixed date. They simply count 50 days after (Nisan 16) firstfruits.

JUDGING THE FRUIT OF TREES:
There is a belief in Jewish tradition that trees are judged by God (The fig tree).

Paul gives a picture of the Judgment Seat (Bema) of Christ. 2 Cor 5:10. The fruit of one’s works will be judged & rewarded. No judgment for sin here, Christ was judged & paid for ALL the believers sins on the cross. (Col 1:14 & Rom 4:7).

Those that reject God's grace & remain in unbelief until life's end/death. Will find themselves at the White Throne Judgment Seat where every jot & title of the law's judgments for sin will have to be paid. Ending in eternal separation (2 Thes 1:9) from their Creator.

OT physical food harvest feasts foreshadow the NT Spiritual soul resurrection harvests.

OT Passover Barley harvest w/firstfruit wave offering (Lev 23:9-10). NT Christ' firstfruit resurrection (1 Cor 15:20) & (Matt 27:52,53) where many witness souls resurrected/harvested after Christ'.

OT Main harvest (wheat) on Pentecost. NT a spiritual resurrection/soul harvest is coming on a future Pentecost (1 Thes 4:16-17). I pray this Pentecost, Lord come!
 

ZNP

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the idea that Pentecost is Shavuot is from traditional Christianity, but is not Biblical.

1. According to traditional Christianity ascension day is 40 days after Jesus rose from the dead. This is based on a verse in Acts saying Jesus appeared to the disciples 40 times, and the 40th time he ascended. This proves that ascension day is not 40 days after after resurrection day because we are told in John that the 2nd time Jesus appeared to them was 7 days after the first time. And the third time Jesus appeared was when Peter said "I go fishing". Therefore at the very least Ascension day is 47 and more likely 50 days after the resurrection which would make ascension day Shavuot.

2. All the Jews were required to be in Jerusalem for Shavuot. If the Jews were already in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus ascension and it was just a couple of days before Shavuot there is no need for Jesus to tell them to remain in Jerusalem. On the other hand if Jesus ascended on Shavuot and Pentecost was fifty days later then it would make sense that He told them to remain in Jerusalem.

3. On Pentecost people joked that the disciples were drunk on new wine. That is impossible on Shavuot. You are fifty days away from having new wine. All the new wine from the previous year is gone and would no longer be called "new wine". However, 50 days after Shavuot is the feast of new wine. This joke would make perfect sense if this took place on the feast of new wine, rather than Shavuot.

4. Pentecost is the birth of the church. Jesus said you put new wine into new wine skins. The Spirit is the new wine and the church is the new wine skin. That word by Jesus points to the birth of the church taking place on the feast of new wine.

5. Peter tells the people joking about new wine that they can't be drunk on new wine because it is 9am. That comment would make no sense on Shavuot. However, on the feast of new wine the priest pours out the new wine onto the earth at 9am and blesses it, after that you can drink it. This comment only makes sense on one day of the year, the feast of new wine.

6. The feast of new wine is on the 8th of Av. The 9th of Av is when the temple is destroyed in 70 AD. About six months prior to Jesus crucifixion the Jewish leaders proclaim that Jesus is casting out demons by Beelzebub the prince of the demons, that was an official ruling. In response to this Jesus tells them that this ruling is an unforgivable sin. If he said this on the 9th of Av it would be exactly 40 years to the day of this ruling by Jesus that the temple is destroyed and cast down brick by brick. That would be according to the sign of Jonah saying in 40 days (years) this city will be cast down.

7. On Pentecost the disciples begin to preach the gospel telling the people of Jerusalem to repent for killing Jesus. On the 9th of Av in the Torah we learn that 3,000 died, at Pentecost 3,000 are saved. This becomes the basis for Hebrews to compare the two covenants, one given on Mt. Sinai and one given on Mt. Zion.

8. Every aspect of Jesus life: His conception, His birth, His death, His resurrection all took place on appointed feast days. He was conceived on Hanukkah, born on the Feast of Trumpets, circumcised on the day of Atonement, crucified on Passover and rose on the feast of firstfruits. Do you really think He ascended on a non feast day? Shavuot describes Moses, a type of Christ, ascending the mountain to God, a shadow of the ascension of Jesus Christ. If Jesus ascended on Shavuot and the Spirit was poured out on the feast of New wine that would fit much better with God who tells you the end from the beginning.

9. In Ephesians Paul tells us that the mystery hidden from the ages had been revealed. In Revelation 4 we see Jesus Christ as a lamb having just been slain, coming in and taking the scroll and opening it in the heavens. This is what Shavuot is all about, the scroll being opened up and given to God's people.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Pentecost 2024 begins at sundown on Tues June 11th, and concludes at nightfall on Thurs June 15h 2024. (Hebrew calendar, Sivan 6th-7th 5782)
I have a couple (or a few :D ) minor niggles with this ^ .

The Hebrew calendar (such as Hebcal) is not correct (on the matter of when Shavuot [/ Pentecost] / Feast of Weeks is).

The calendar should reflect that this feast (just as Firstfruit does) always falls on a Sunday (fifty days following "Firstfruit," which likewise always falls on a Sunday: "on the morrow after the sabbath" Lev23:11-14 for "Firstfruit");
the "counting" begins from that day ("Firstfruit"--on a Sunday): "seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days";

Acts 1:3 says Jesus was "seen of them DIA days forty" (that Greek word "dia" not being evident in the English translation), https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/act/1/3/p0/t_concif_1019003 , but under "Thayer's Greek Lexicon" says this:

"b. of the time within which a thing is done: διὰ τῆς νυκτός (L T Tr WH διὰ νυκτός), by night, Acts 5:19; Acts 16:9; Acts 17:10; Acts 23:31, (Palaephatus 1, 10); δἰ ἡμερῶν τεσσαράκοντα, repeatedly within the space of forty days, Acts 1:3; [...]"

-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g1223/kjv/tr/0-1/ [underline mine]

He was seen of them within the space of (dia) forty days... during which time He spoke to them "of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God" (v.3)...



So it was "not many days hence" (i.e. some 10 days later) that Pentecost would occur following [this] Jesus' SECOND ascension (Acts 1), whereas some "40 days" PRIOR to this ascension (that is, back on Firstfruit--His Resurrection Day) He had already ascended the FIRST time (John 20:17).

Where it says, in v.11, He "shall SO come IN LIKE MANNER as ye have SEEN Him journeying INTO heaven," this refers to His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (i.e. "VISIBLY")... when "EVERY EYE" shall "SEE" Him, i.e. the "MANIFESTATION of the presence/parousia of Him" 2Th2:8b [distinct from v.1];... (Note: not that I think His "RETURN" TO THE EARTH will occur on a Pentecost necessarily);

whereas His EARLIER ascension was NOT "visible" to anyone, only TOLD by Jesus to Mary Magdalene (and she was instructed to "GO to My brethren, and SAY UNTO them" the fact ["I ascend"]--which they "believed not" Mark 16:10-11,14)
 

TheDivineWatermark

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The Hebrew calendar (such as Hebcal) is not correct (on the matter of when Shavuot [/ Pentecost] / Feast of Weeks is).
The calendar should reflect that this feast (just as Firstfruit does) always falls on a Sunday (fifty days following "Firstfruit," which likewise always falls on a Sunday: "on the morrow after the sabbath" Lev23:11-14 for "Firstfruit");
the "counting" begins from that day ("Firstfruit"--on a Sunday): "seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days";
This year, "FIRSTFRUIT" was on Sunday, April 28 ("on the morrow after the sabbath" following Passover--that's always when FIRSTFRUIT is):

[quoting from timeanddate [dot] com]

From and including: Sunday, April 28, 2024
To and including: Sunday, June 16, 2024

Result: 50 days

[end quoting; Calculate Duration Between Two Dates – Results (timeanddate.com) ]




Therefore, "Shavuot / Pentecost / Feast of Weeks" this year falls on Sunday, June 16





[many years ago I studied out the idea that Pentecost was perhaps FURTHER OUT than originally/commonly thought... I considered it for a brief while, but ultimately concluded that there was no scriptural merit to the idea]