The hatred of Jews

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Susanna

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Standing by the Israeli government is like standing by king Herod.
There's really no reason to.

Come time for armegeddon ,all non christians in the promised land will be cast into a furnace and burned up including the Israeli government .
I had to reread my op with a magnifying glass to see where I had written the “Israeli government”. You know what? I didn’t find it because I didn’t write it.

Next time you want to create a straw man, read the text carefully first.😎
 

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I had to reread my op with a magnifying glass to see where I had written the “Israeli government”. You know what? I didn’t find it because I didn’t write it.

Next time you want to create a straw man, read the text carefully first.😎
So you believe the Israeli government,which adopted the name Israel for itself,is not Israel?

You do realize they voted to call the themselves by that name don't you?
 

Shilohsfoal

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What really disturbs me is that the hatred of Jews is on the rise again. Both here and in Europe.

People I know and who I thought were intelligent and good people are just jumping on the bandwagon supporting Palestine no matter what.

I’m not ashamed to say I support Israel and the Jews, but golly how much trouble that causes me.

Nevertheless, I stand by Israel and the Jews!
Yes,I'm.sure you used the word Israel,which the Israeli government chose to call itself and it's kingdom.
 

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Yes,I'm.sure you used the word Israel,which the Israeli government chose to call itself and it's kingdom.
Agree, Israel is an inclusive word of government and people, however in the Geo=political sense it is the government and its tentacles.
And since we are in the new section and not the travel section it is reasonable to assume in the OP "Israel" is a reference to the country and the government.

Including "Palestine" also suggests the government of Israel.
 

Susanna

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I’m glad my wording made you start interpreting, even though your interpretation was wrong. That shows initiative and potential.

I wrote what I meant. The governments are changing rapidly, but Israel isn’t. Now it’s perfectly fine that you hold another opinion, but it’s reflecting badly upon me. But then again, maybe I’m a bad person.
 

Shilohsfoal

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I’m glad my wording made you start interpreting, even though your interpretation was wrong. That shows initiative and potential.

I wrote what I meant. The governments are changing rapidly, but Israel isn’t. Now it’s perfectly fine that you hold another opinion, but it’s reflecting badly upon me. But then again, maybe I’m a bad person.
I agree,the Jews in Israel haven't changed much .1 percent of Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah and that 1 percent is considered apostates by the rest.Its only a matter of time before that 1 percent is imprisoned and murdered as scripture says.The persecution will probably start soon the way things are looking .
 

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I believe that Israel has a covenant with God, that God is faithful even if all men are liars, that God brought Israel back after the Holocaust in fulfillment of that covenant and that Jesus did not come to annul the covenant but to fulfill it and that every jot and tittle will be fulfilled and will not pass away. I also believe that your accusation that I am basing this on faulty premises is arrogant.
Believe what you like. Your premises are faulty. The national Israel God had a covenant which ended (reach fulfillment) nearly 2000 years ago. His covenant continues today with us - Christians, the true Jews, circumcised in the heart - through Christ. God didn't bring Israel back "after the Holocaust". That was a planned event by the Rothschilds. Does everything happen by God's permissive will? Yes. But was this event some sort of special miracle like the conquest of Jericho? No. It happened by conspiracy, evil men and terrorism. And there are certainly no legitimate, indisputable ties between the Israelis of today, and the national Israelites of more than 2000 years ago.

I suppose but the sin you will burn in hell for is slandering someone. I never told anyone that God would forgive war crimes. Insinuating that I have is slander. Give me the post where I said that or else repent of this sin.
If the accusation doesn't apply to you, why the offense? I didn't mention your name. A guilty conscience, perhaps? Give me the post where I cursed Israel, else repent of your false accusation against me. If you claim this accusation of yours didn't apply to me because you didn't mention my name, in the same way I claim my post didn't apply to you because I didn't mention yours. You know Jesus hated the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, right? :)

Finally, my sins, past, present and future, are forgiven through Jesus' shed blood on the cross. When I post, I post with a clear conscience, and don't intend to lie or slander. However, if I do so, I know my sins are forgiven through the Saviour's blood. If you are indeed a brother, any of your sins against me are forgiven in the same way.

What is obvious to me is that I have been appointed a witness of the Lord's salvation, not a judge. I am not here to condemn but to warn and to present the way of salvation. When you judge others you usurp the Lord's position as judge and that is rebellion against the Lord Jesus Christ.
So who was cursing Israel? Or was that a slanderous accusation? Just asking for your sake, because you supposed that I would burn in hell-fire for all eternity for such a sin, and I'd hate for you to be subject to your own justice for committing the very sin you accused others of - if indeed, that's what it was, and I haven't come to a terrible misunderstanding of what you were insinuating... ;)

The Lord Jesus told us "judge not lest you be judged for with what judgement you judge you shall be judged". Everyone who judges Israel of war crimes will be judged with the same judgment. I think it is clear to me that Americans are in no position to be judging others of war crimes. But if you do, then you will be judged with the same judgement that you judge others with.
I've committed no war crimes to be put on trial for. Certainly if I had, I would expect the same judgement against myself. By stating that Israel can't be held to account for war crimes because Jesus said "judge not lest you be judged", you appear to be advocating for a lawless society (or a hypocritical one). That is not what Jesus was saying, the idea is unbiblical given God's severe penalties for sin, and it certainly doesn't work in practice. Do you believe that murderers, rapists, pedophiles and similar criminals should be spared a trial or any legal scrutiny simply by declaring themselves to be Christians - today's Chosen people of God?

You need to now reference all those "justifications of Israeli war crimes" that "I have posted" or else you are guilty of slander. It is a grievous thing to slander a child of God. I will await your speedy response to this slanderous accusation.
I will do this once, but am not going to engage in debate on it, as it is fairly obvious to all fair-minded people. I have chosen 3 which only took a few minutes to find - there are doubtless more examples. I do believe you are more fair-minded than some others, but I also believe my statement to be accurate. I also take the opportunity to point out your hypocrisy - insinuating people hate Jews or curse Israel, simply for criticizing the crimes of the Israeli government.

So on the one hand we have hundreds of thousands of Pro Palestinians around the world chanting "from the river to the Sea" indicating they want a complete annihilation of the Jews from Israel and on the other hand you have three nut jobs in what looks like a classroom singing a song with a similar theme from a Jewish perspective.
How does chanting for Palestine to be free equate with annihilation of the Jews? It does not. Yet accusing the one side of genocide gives the moral ground to the other side to justify its own genocide. Whether you admit it or not, this false statement supports Israeli war crimes.

6. When I was growing up, if someone started a fight with you, then you had the right to end it. Hamas started this and Israel has the right to end it.
No one (except maybe terrorists themselves) deny Israel's right to kill terrorists. This statement supports Israeli warcrimes, because it equates Israel's right to defend itself against terrorists with murder of civilians, which are two totally different things.

No. Supporting the bombing of Hiroshima is not the same as supporting terrorism.
This one should be obvious. How is nuking civilians not a war crime, but terrorism is? Might is right philosophy?
 

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It is time

Luke 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

It is time

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
 
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So apparently saying "Christ is king" is antisemitic now, considered a dog whistle; coded language against a Jew? Amazing.

Just steadily boiling us frogs one degree at a time.

Sigh...I hope bretheren soon realize how far along in this prophetic drama we already are, and to realize who "antichrist" is (are). "Antichrist" is (are) already here.
 

Shilohsfoal

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So apparently saying "Christ is king" is antisemitic now, considered a dog whistle; coded language against a Jew? Amazing.

Just steadily boiling us frogs one degree at a time.

Sigh...I hope bretheren soon realize how far along in this prophetic drama we already are, and to realize who "antichrist" is (are). "Antichrist" is (are) already here.
Say Christ is king in certain places and you might be beaten.Jesus's Olivet discourse is very telling.

Mark 13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
 

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Are you ready?

Henry Gruver shares this story of a philosopher which taught that if God is love He would not send people to hell so there is no reason why he needed to repent and receive the gospel. When this man died his soul began to plunge into hell and he screamed "see, I was right, there is no God of love". Just at that moment God sent two angels and caught him up to the gates of heaven and he saw how beautiful and lovely it was and said "I knew it, I knew if there was a God of love I would not need to repent of sins". But as soon as he entered the gates he immediately was overwhelmed by his sins. All those unrepented sins covered him, he was acutely aware of them and it was torture, so he fled out from heaven off the edge and plunged into hell shouting "unclean, I'm unclean".

There are two sides of heaven, on the one hand we will be free and clear of the stumbling blocks, but on the other hand are your clothes white as snow?
 

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Of course it does. Your argument (below) was that Netanyahu shouldn't be convicted of war crimes because America (actually criminal elements in the US government, including Bush) got away with them also. My view is that all criminals should be held to account and to the same standard of justice irrespective of nationality - Palestinian, Israeli, and United States (or other countries also, to be clear).
who invited Hamas into Gaza? who voted them into government? did they know what Hamas overiding policy is concerning genocide of the Jews? do they have the same policy?

These people are guilty.
 

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I really know have no idea how you can cling to this, it is beyond belief, this is not the middle ages we can plainly see what they have done along with they fact they have admitted to the intent.
There are documents, videos, photos, investigative journalists.

They targeted and bombed American Food Aid for goodness sake, they had permission to be there, they killing Americans when they convoy let them know exactly where they were.

Their plan has been stated they want to ethnically cleanse Gaza and the West Bank.
they coulda cleansed Gaza any time they ever wanted to these last 30 years. Do you ever wonder why Hamas does not arm the people of Gaza?
 

Moses_Young

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who invited Hamas into Gaza?
Indeed. Who did?
who voted them into government?
Who can prove the election wasn't fraudulent? If the US (i.e. the most free country in the world) election was stolen in 2020, does it not follow that all elections could have or may have been stolen around the world prior to this? Since when does voting in an election make one culpable to all the evil done by the government? Are you guilty for the Transgender Day of Visibility blasphemously being declared by Joe Biden on Easter?
did they know what Hamas overiding policy is concerning genocide of the Jews?
Do you know who is funding Hamas?
do they have the same policy?
Does it matter?
These people are guilty.
No legitimate court of law in any country would find someone guilty of a crime based on the party they voted for. Do you realise how fascist this claim is?
 

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Indeed. Who did?
Who can prove the election wasn't fraudulent? If the US (i.e. the most free country in the world) election was stolen in 2020, does it not follow that all elections could have or may have been stolen around the world prior to this? Since when does voting in an election make one culpable to all the evil done by the government? Are you guilty for the Transgender Day of Visibility blasphemously being declared by Joe Biden on Easter?
Do you know who is funding Hamas?
Does it matter?
No legitimate court of law in any country would find someone guilty of a crime based on the party they voted for. Do you realise how fascist this claim is?
do you realise how transparent you are?
 

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Say Christ is king in certain places and you might be beaten.Jesus's Olivet discourse is very telling.

Mark 13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Your statement is definitely true - even today, in some countries, Christians are beheaded for naming the name of Christ; albeit, the verse of scripture you posted is referring to past history and not future events.

Keep studying the Olivet Discourse. It is very telling indeed...
 

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Your statement is definitely true - even today, in some countries, Christians are beheaded for naming the name of Christ; albeit, the verse of scripture you posted is referring to past history and not future events.

Keep studying the Olivet Discourse. It is very telling indeed...

No,the verse I posted is future.
It takes place after the false prophet arrives in Israel which is 3.5 years before the war of armegeddon.

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.


First,the false prophet arrives in Israel and starts giving everyone in Israel the mark of the beast.
The Messianic Jews warn the people to repent ,the kingdom of heaven is at hand.They are persecuted for a time ,times and a half. -3.5 years.

Then God brings the nations against Israel destroying the Jews who rejected the gospel, and removes them from the promised land.

Then Christ comes ,resurrects the saints who were killed and gives the kingdom to those saints.The messianic Jews will be persecuted right up to the day Christ comes.




Mathew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
 

GaryA

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No,the verse I posted is future.
It takes place after the false prophet arrives in Israel which is 3.5 years before the war of armegeddon.

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.


First,the false prophet arrives in Israel and starts giving everyone in Israel the mark of the beast.
The Messianic Jews warn the people to repent ,the kingdom of heaven is at hand.They are persecuted for a time ,times and a half. -3.5 years.

Then God brings the nations against Israel destroying the Jews who rejected the gospel, and removes them from the promised land.

Then Christ comes ,resurrects the saints who were killed and gives the kingdom to those saints.The messianic Jews will be persecuted right up to the day Christ comes.




Mathew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Pay very close attention to the words 'But before all these'... ;)

You may find it helpful to take a good honest look at this web page:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Olivet_Discourse.html