Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
There are ten apples in a tray. Only one, a green Granny Smith apple, is perfectly good. The rest are red and have varying degrees of damage, 5% - 90%.
You try to sell me a bruised apple and say, "This is a good one.These are all good apples."
I say, Why do you call that one good. Not one is good, except the Granny Smith alone."
Am I trying to communicate something about the essence of the apples? Am I saying that there is nothing good in any apple except the Granny Smith? Am I saying that all the red apples are good for nothing?
There are ten apples in a tray. Only one, a green Granny Smith apple, is perfectly good. The rest are red and have varying degrees of damage, 5% - 90%.
You try to sell me a bruised apple and say, "This is a good one.These are all good apples."
I say, Why do you call that one good. Not one is good, except the Granny Smith alone."
Am I trying to communicate something about the essence of the apples? Am I saying that there is nothing good in any apple except the Granny Smith? Am I saying that all the red apples are good for nothing?
What's the matter, you can't find Luke 15? 
Did you find John 17 okay? Oh...and then there's also the Good Shepherd Discourse in John 10 for you to ponder.
Did you find John 17 okay? Oh...and then there's also the Good Shepherd Discourse in John 10 for you to ponder.
I will correct it for you,
As a reminder, the parallels between the types and antitypes will be limited to the more salient points that will more directly support and highlight my argument, which, again, is to show that Moses (a type of Christ) was commanded to "save" only the ancient Hebrews in Egypt, which were God's elect by virtue of His covenant with Abraham wherein He promised the patriarch that He would make a great nation out of him; and to also show that God's "firstborn" (Ex 4:22; 7:1), but God actually sent Him to "save" a mixed multitude along with the Israelites.
As a reminder, the parallels between the types and antitypes will be limited to the more salient points that will more directly support and highlight my argument, which, again, is to show that Moses (a type of Christ) was commanded to "save" only the ancient Hebrews in Egypt, which were God's elect by virtue of His covenant with Abraham wherein He promised the patriarch that He would make a great nation out of him; and to also show that God's "firstborn" (Ex 4:22; 7:1), but God actually sent Him to "save" a mixed multitude along with the Israelites.
IN CHRIST...is a positional reality, not a functional one. We are either in Christ or we are not. Conversely, being in the Spirit is a functional reality. Only Christians can be in the Spirit, but they are not always in the Spirit; notwithstanding, they remain in Christ.
I think sometimes people conflate the two.
I think sometimes people conflate the two.
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No, because you're talking in terms of relative good. But Jesus wasn't talking in those terms. He wasn't saying, no one is good compared o God and all other people or gods in the world. He was saying that God alone is absolutely (perfectly) Good and no one measures up to him. Jesus didn't say there are 10 Gods in the world, did he? You see, it's right here that your analogy fails. Jesus instead said, God alone is good, and no human being can compare to him. God and humans are not both apples.
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No. Kept through the power of God = the power guarding you is sufficient.
through faith = That power must be being accessed by your faith, so its efficacy for you depends on an attitude you must maintain.
unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time = only at the resurrection will salvation be revealed in those who maintained faith in the Saviour until the end.
through faith = That power must be being accessed by your faith, so its efficacy for you depends on an attitude you must maintain.
unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time = only at the resurrection will salvation be revealed in those who maintained faith in the Saviour until the end.
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Fair enough. I will modify the opening statement accordingly. But the point remains: Moses was not sent into Egypt (type of World) to save everyone! He was sent to rescue God's chosen covenant people. Clearly, we have Unconditional Election taught between the Abrahamic Covenant and the Exodus, just as it's taught in Gen 3:15ff.
But two different kinds of living entities. Your analogies are all apples. PLUS -- Jesus also taught that man is evil. He didn't say, sometimes evil or partially evil -- just "evil". But evil is not a thing in and of itself. It is the absence of something. It's the absence of all or perfect goodness.
Election for a calvinist means something different from what election means in the Bible though. I could agree that we are unconditionally chosen to be given the gospel and invited into God's kingdom. And I could agree that all the Hebrews in Egypt were unconditionally chosen to be offered an exodus from Egypt. But I think you mean something more presumptuous than that. You are using Unconditional Election as something conjoined with Irresistible Grace. There is no evidence that every Hebrew in Egypt left Egypt with Moses.