Summary of Bible references on the Rapture
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The True Shavuot by God's own reckoning. (🤫 it's NOT
Let me share a word concerning this brother. I was completely confused by all the various calendars and how people are calculating the various feast days. If you are not familiar you can find at least four different ways, and if you really wanted to look you could probably find more than that. So I prayed to the Lord and told him I'd need help. That night I had a strange dream where I felt the triune God was giving me an assignment to work on, which is this blog, and that they gave me a very strange brother than was something of a clown to help me put it all together. It was a very weird dream but then the very next day I go to this channel on Youtube and this was the brother in my dream. I realized the Lord had given me him to help put this whole calendar business together. Now some of his videos are two hours long and repetitive and so I got tired of posting them. But this video is all about the calendar and that is precisely what I want from him the most. So I am humbly opening up to his instruction on this matter and I suggest that everyone else does too.
Let me share a word concerning this brother. I was completely confused by all the various calendars and how people are calculating the various feast days. If you are not familiar you can find at least four different ways, and if you really wanted to look you could probably find more than that. So I prayed to the Lord and told him I'd need help. That night I had a strange dream where I felt the triune God was giving me an assignment to work on, which is this blog, and that they gave me a very strange brother than was something of a clown to help me put it all together. It was a very weird dream but then the very next day I go to this channel on Youtube and this was the brother in my dream. I realized the Lord had given me him to help put this whole calendar business together. Now some of his videos are two hours long and repetitive and so I got tired of posting them. But this video is all about the calendar and that is precisely what I want from him the most. So I am humbly opening up to his instruction on this matter and I suggest that everyone else does too.
I disagree with him on one very small point. The full moon in June is 8 pm on the 21st, that is right at sunset. So to me that is the beginning of the 14th day, not the 15th. That means 22nd to 23rd is the 15th day which he is saying is Shavuot.
Also, I do agree with him that all the OT feast days are based on his approach. However, the NT is a New Covenant and in this New Covenant we have only been given one day to keep, the Lord's day. You can argue that the Lord's day should be done according to the OT, however Paul refers to the day when we keep the Lord's table as "whatever day". It is not practical to keep the Lord's day on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 30th because we are also told to be subject to the authority and that includes their calendar. So the use of "Sunday" as the 8th day is according to the NT. That day is a dress rehearsal for the rapture. That is the NT Holy Convocation. However, if Shavuot depicts the rapture, when the firstfruits of the wheat are offered up to God, then the rapture would only occur on the Shavuot that also coincides with the Lord's day. That eliminates 6/7ths of the years.
This is a different way to look at the Lord's word. Did the Lord tell us the day and the hour? No. Did He tell us when the day and the hour isn't? Maybe, there is no verse that would eliminate that possibility. In other words, we are told specifically that the firstfruits of the wheat are offered on Shavuot, but we are not told which one. We are also told to keep the Lord's day on "whatever day" and that is a dress rehearsal for the rapture. That would narrow it down to 52 possible days in a year, and 364 possible days in seven years. However, if it also must be on Shavuot then that narrows it down to one possible day in seven years.
Again, this is all theoretical, but if this brother's calculation is correct for Shavuot then it falls on the Lord's day this year and won't for another seven years.
As a side note I'd point out that the key revelation that Stan got from God is that the firstfruits is the key term that unlocks the book of Revelation. So even though I disagree with his interpretation I do agree with that revelation as does Aaron from God A Minute and Dr. Barry Awe. This gives us 4 different brothers who disagree on many things but all agree on this crucial point about the Firstfruits.
Also, I do agree with him that all the OT feast days are based on his approach. However, the NT is a New Covenant and in this New Covenant we have only been given one day to keep, the Lord's day. You can argue that the Lord's day should be done according to the OT, however Paul refers to the day when we keep the Lord's table as "whatever day". It is not practical to keep the Lord's day on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 30th because we are also told to be subject to the authority and that includes their calendar. So the use of "Sunday" as the 8th day is according to the NT. That day is a dress rehearsal for the rapture. That is the NT Holy Convocation. However, if Shavuot depicts the rapture, when the firstfruits of the wheat are offered up to God, then the rapture would only occur on the Shavuot that also coincides with the Lord's day. That eliminates 6/7ths of the years.
This is a different way to look at the Lord's word. Did the Lord tell us the day and the hour? No. Did He tell us when the day and the hour isn't? Maybe, there is no verse that would eliminate that possibility. In other words, we are told specifically that the firstfruits of the wheat are offered on Shavuot, but we are not told which one. We are also told to keep the Lord's day on "whatever day" and that is a dress rehearsal for the rapture. That would narrow it down to 52 possible days in a year, and 364 possible days in seven years. However, if it also must be on Shavuot then that narrows it down to one possible day in seven years.
Again, this is all theoretical, but if this brother's calculation is correct for Shavuot then it falls on the Lord's day this year and won't for another seven years.
As a side note I'd point out that the key revelation that Stan got from God is that the firstfruits is the key term that unlocks the book of Revelation. So even though I disagree with his interpretation I do agree with that revelation as does Aaron from God A Minute and Dr. Barry Awe. This gives us 4 different brothers who disagree on many things but all agree on this crucial point about the Firstfruits.
They have to see the new moon, according to the lunar calendar it is a New moon at 7:30AM on the 6th. That means no way the Jews would be able to see it before the evening of the 6th. However, 3% is not visible until the evening of the 7th. You have to see the new moon for the month to start, I think from online chatter that is generally around 3%.
But if it is 7/8 as day 1 then
21/22 is day 15.
There is a second problem which is that the timing for these feasts are clearly timed for Jerusalem which is 8 hours later than the US. So if you had the offering made at 9am on the 22nd, that would be 11pm on the 21st to 2am on the 22nd.
But if it is 7/8 as day 1 then
21/22 is day 15.
There is a second problem which is that the timing for these feasts are clearly timed for Jerusalem which is 8 hours later than the US. So if you had the offering made at 9am on the 22nd, that would be 11pm on the 21st to 2am on the 22nd.
This is a warning. What is happening in China will happen in the US. Get whatever you value from the internet now before it is gone.
I am working on the next Pdf -- The Wise Master Builder. Hopefully by the end of tomorrow.
Link to latest book: Be Reconciled to God
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18vPsnXiP3bd-Hm9WkiuXQLAgfb6A75Xh/view?usp=sharing
These Pdfs you can download to your computer, it is free to use, free to share. This way if they shut down the internet to the sharing of the gospel you will still have this. On page 2 I include links to two other pdfs you can download as well.
Behold the Deceit
Link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gGsGGjQJPTANBb0DgDfU3eVUNXhW__nU/view?usp=
sharing
Look Up, Your Redemption Draweth Nigh
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15SYqlNc8te7dfdYHcVaPeFSX-wnVHxPo/view?usp=shar
ing
This is not everything. I figure there is still enough left in the blog for another two books. However, I don't believe I will have anything more posted prior to June 16th and because of all the latest information on Shavuot I would suggest anyone even mildly interested in downloading this do it now prior to that date. I have shared many links explaining how the US is the Great Babylon, that judgment has been determined, and that we are on the cusp of WW3 going nuclear. When that happens it is very possible that the entire electric grid in the US goes down and when it comes back up they will have complete control over the internet. Simply downloading this to a laptop would only be of minimal help as once the power goes out you wouldn't be able to print it and soon the battery on your laptop will be dead. I get that, but I also get that many people who read this blog may not live in the US. No one is saying the power grid will go down in other countries, so you would probably have a few weeks to print them out if you so choose.
Also, I assume that word of mouth is the reason so many people have found this blog. So if you are one who is or has recommended the blog you can now email a link to these Pdf's.
I am working on the next Pdf -- The Wise Master Builder. Hopefully by the end of tomorrow.
Link to latest book: Be Reconciled to God
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18vPsnXiP3bd-Hm9WkiuXQLAgfb6A75Xh/view?usp=sharing
These Pdfs you can download to your computer, it is free to use, free to share. This way if they shut down the internet to the sharing of the gospel you will still have this. On page 2 I include links to two other pdfs you can download as well.
Behold the Deceit
Link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gGsGGjQJPTANBb0DgDfU3eVUNXhW__nU/view?usp=
sharing
Look Up, Your Redemption Draweth Nigh
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15SYqlNc8te7dfdYHcVaPeFSX-wnVHxPo/view?usp=shar
ing
This is not everything. I figure there is still enough left in the blog for another two books. However, I don't believe I will have anything more posted prior to June 16th and because of all the latest information on Shavuot I would suggest anyone even mildly interested in downloading this do it now prior to that date. I have shared many links explaining how the US is the Great Babylon, that judgment has been determined, and that we are on the cusp of WW3 going nuclear. When that happens it is very possible that the entire electric grid in the US goes down and when it comes back up they will have complete control over the internet. Simply downloading this to a laptop would only be of minimal help as once the power goes out you wouldn't be able to print it and soon the battery on your laptop will be dead. I get that, but I also get that many people who read this blog may not live in the US. No one is saying the power grid will go down in other countries, so you would probably have a few weeks to print them out if you so choose.
Also, I assume that word of mouth is the reason so many people have found this blog. So if you are one who is or has recommended the blog you can now email a link to these Pdf's.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WgEFXOyglP-o5THuC4vRVbaxXE6JTEPn/view?usp=sharing
Link to The Wise Master Builder: Prepare to Meet Thy God
Free Pdf download and this has the links to three other Pdf's on page 2.
Link to The Wise Master Builder: Prepare to Meet Thy God
Free Pdf download and this has the links to three other Pdf's on page 2.
The New Testament is a legal document like a will and testament. If you are invited to the reading of the will it is because you have been included in that document. We have been told specifically, by Jesus, the testator, that God is not the God of the dead but of the living and the word of God is living. It is not spoken to the dead but to the living.
We have also been told specifically by John, an apostle from the beginning and one who wrote five books of the New Testament that the Lord said many things that are not in this book, but these words that are written are for us to believe and receive. If the Lord had a word that was only for people at the time of his first ministry those words are not in the NT.
Therefore any doctrine that says this word is not to us or that word is not to us is simply not Biblical.
No doubt the Lord refers to the destruction of the temple and He uses that to discuss the end of the age just as He also does with Jonah and Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah. These things help illustrate to us what it will be like. But all of those words are spoken to us just as much as they are spoken to anyone else in the church age.
Also, one other thing about the Bible, Luke wrote the most words, Paul was second and John was third. Many people lump Luke with Paul and I think that is disrespectful to Luke. Obviously he must have done a lot of research to write what he did. Also it is quite obvious that traveling with Paul was no easy thing. Ask Mark, ask Barnabas, even ask Paul as he talks about how many times he was stoned, beaten, imprisoned and shipwrecked.
We have also been told specifically by John, an apostle from the beginning and one who wrote five books of the New Testament that the Lord said many things that are not in this book, but these words that are written are for us to believe and receive. If the Lord had a word that was only for people at the time of his first ministry those words are not in the NT.
Therefore any doctrine that says this word is not to us or that word is not to us is simply not Biblical.
No doubt the Lord refers to the destruction of the temple and He uses that to discuss the end of the age just as He also does with Jonah and Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah. These things help illustrate to us what it will be like. But all of those words are spoken to us just as much as they are spoken to anyone else in the church age.
Also, one other thing about the Bible, Luke wrote the most words, Paul was second and John was third. Many people lump Luke with Paul and I think that is disrespectful to Luke. Obviously he must have done a lot of research to write what he did. Also it is quite obvious that traveling with Paul was no easy thing. Ask Mark, ask Barnabas, even ask Paul as he talks about how many times he was stoned, beaten, imprisoned and shipwrecked.
This calculation is based on not giving anyone credit for Hebrews. I think it is very fair to say that Paul was involved in writing Hebrews, but we don't know if he collaborated with others like James, Luke or John. Hebrews is the most important book in the Bible to Jews struggling with the transition from the OT to the NT and as such I can see James having a critical role. The first chapter does not seem like either Paul or James and I can see John having contributed there. Also if Luke was with Paul and doing research for him I could see Luke helping as well.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WgEFXOyglP-o5THuC4vRVbaxXE6JTEPn/view?usp=sharing
Link to The Wise Master Builder: Prepare to Meet Thy God
Free Pdf download
Link to latest book: Be Reconciled to God
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18vPsnXiP3bd-Hm9WkiuXQLAgfb6A75Xh/view?usp=sharing
These Pdfs you can download to your computer, it is free to use, free to share. This way if they shut down the internet to the sharing of the gospel you will still have this.
Behold the Deceit
Link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gGsGGjQJPTANBb0DgDfU3eVUNXhW__nU/view?usp=
sharing
Look Up, Your Redemption Draweth Nigh
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15SYqlNc8te7dfdYHcVaPeFSX-wnVHxPo/view?usp=shar
ing
This is not everything. I figure there is still enough left in the blog for another two books. Because of all the latest information on Shavuot I would suggest anyone even mildly interested in downloading this do it now.
Also, I assume that word of mouth is the reason so many people have found this blog. So if you are one who is or has recommended the blog you can now email a link to these Pdf's.
Link to The Wise Master Builder: Prepare to Meet Thy God
Free Pdf download
Link to latest book: Be Reconciled to God
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18vPsnXiP3bd-Hm9WkiuXQLAgfb6A75Xh/view?usp=sharing
These Pdfs you can download to your computer, it is free to use, free to share. This way if they shut down the internet to the sharing of the gospel you will still have this.
Behold the Deceit
Link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gGsGGjQJPTANBb0DgDfU3eVUNXhW__nU/view?usp=
sharing
Look Up, Your Redemption Draweth Nigh
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15SYqlNc8te7dfdYHcVaPeFSX-wnVHxPo/view?usp=shar
ing
This is not everything. I figure there is still enough left in the blog for another two books. Because of all the latest information on Shavuot I would suggest anyone even mildly interested in downloading this do it now.
Also, I assume that word of mouth is the reason so many people have found this blog. So if you are one who is or has recommended the blog you can now email a link to these Pdf's.
PROPHECY -- AN ADVERSARY STIRRED
1 Kings 11:9-14 9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, 10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded. 11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. 12 Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son. 13 Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen. 14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
My son, just as I had raised up an ADVERSARY against King Solomon, so too have I raised up an ADVERSARY against this nation. A nation that has turned its back to Me - the One True and Living God - to follow after strange gods, with NO repentance. I have placed into the heart of the king of the north rumblings - RUMBLINGS OF WAR have I placed in his heart. I will raise him up, and he will devour much, and not leave one rock unturned. He is My servant, doing My will upon a nation and people who have turned from Me.
My son, I will not have mercy on My church, who have allowed every sin of perversion and worship of every false god to continue to flourish. I will scatter those whose hearts are far from Me, from those whose hearts are with Me. Every perversion has been allowed to infiltrate and corrupt My church and turn the hearts of My children away from Me. Just as Solomon's wives turned his heart to other gods, so have the infiltrators turned the hearts of the shepherds that lead My sheep.
My son, I WILL RAIN DOWN FIRE on this nation and on My church. Persecution unlike any other time in history will fall on My children of Mystery Babylon. My children have allowed this perversion into My house, so they also will taste of the judgment I have proclaimed. Much death will come at the hands of My weapon of indignation. My children WILL LEARN to walk in GREAT FAITH! FOR I HAVE DECLARED IT - SO IT WILL BE DONE!
My son, even those who hear My voice and have shouted REPENT to this nation will be in SHOCK at the fury of My vengeance. A TIME OF GREAT TESTING is at hand. Those whose hearts are pure will be spared - yet they will be persecuted by those who call themselves righteous. REPENT NOW! those who follow after false gods and false prophets - they who tickle the ears and lead many astray with false words of hope. For the many sins of this nation - an ADVERSARY HAS BEEN STIRRED UP - and now is the time of his advance. America - you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your destruction is set, and your time as a nation is over. REPENT NOW! REPENT NOW! REPENT NOW!!!
Shalom, The Father
1 Kings 11:9-14 9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, 10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded. 11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. 12 Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son. 13 Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen. 14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
My son, just as I had raised up an ADVERSARY against King Solomon, so too have I raised up an ADVERSARY against this nation. A nation that has turned its back to Me - the One True and Living God - to follow after strange gods, with NO repentance. I have placed into the heart of the king of the north rumblings - RUMBLINGS OF WAR have I placed in his heart. I will raise him up, and he will devour much, and not leave one rock unturned. He is My servant, doing My will upon a nation and people who have turned from Me.
My son, I will not have mercy on My church, who have allowed every sin of perversion and worship of every false god to continue to flourish. I will scatter those whose hearts are far from Me, from those whose hearts are with Me. Every perversion has been allowed to infiltrate and corrupt My church and turn the hearts of My children away from Me. Just as Solomon's wives turned his heart to other gods, so have the infiltrators turned the hearts of the shepherds that lead My sheep.
My son, I WILL RAIN DOWN FIRE on this nation and on My church. Persecution unlike any other time in history will fall on My children of Mystery Babylon. My children have allowed this perversion into My house, so they also will taste of the judgment I have proclaimed. Much death will come at the hands of My weapon of indignation. My children WILL LEARN to walk in GREAT FAITH! FOR I HAVE DECLARED IT - SO IT WILL BE DONE!
My son, even those who hear My voice and have shouted REPENT to this nation will be in SHOCK at the fury of My vengeance. A TIME OF GREAT TESTING is at hand. Those whose hearts are pure will be spared - yet they will be persecuted by those who call themselves righteous. REPENT NOW! those who follow after false gods and false prophets - they who tickle the ears and lead many astray with false words of hope. For the many sins of this nation - an ADVERSARY HAS BEEN STIRRED UP - and now is the time of his advance. America - you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your destruction is set, and your time as a nation is over. REPENT NOW! REPENT NOW! REPENT NOW!!!
Shalom, The Father
First fruits
Stan Johnson said that word is the word that unlocks the book of Revelation and I agree with him, though I don't agree with his interpretation. Watchman Nee also saw that word as critical to understanding the book but went further to say that you have a gleaning, you have general harvest and you have the firstfruits. Also the word "tribulation" comes from the Greek word Tribulum which is used in harvesting wheat to separate the wheat kernels from the chaff.
According to God's law you must offer the First Fruits to God to bless. Then the whole harvest is blessed. Think about this, suppose you are doing some job or ministry to God. You say it is for God, but do you offer up the first fruits to Him? If not it is all kind of bogus saying it is for Him. But if you do offer them up to God then you have involved Him in your work and now He is in a position to bless your work.
This is what the Pre-tribulation rapture is, it is the offering of the first fruit of wheat up to the Lord. Jesus was planted into the ground as a grain of wheat, He has come forth and born fruit, that is the first fruit of this harvest. If they are fully for God then God can come in and bless the rest of the harvest.
We often think "oh no, I don't want to be left behind". Sure, but at the same time be thankful for those who are taken because they are wholly for God and that in turn allows God to be wholly for you.
Stan Johnson said that word is the word that unlocks the book of Revelation and I agree with him, though I don't agree with his interpretation. Watchman Nee also saw that word as critical to understanding the book but went further to say that you have a gleaning, you have general harvest and you have the firstfruits. Also the word "tribulation" comes from the Greek word Tribulum which is used in harvesting wheat to separate the wheat kernels from the chaff.
According to God's law you must offer the First Fruits to God to bless. Then the whole harvest is blessed. Think about this, suppose you are doing some job or ministry to God. You say it is for God, but do you offer up the first fruits to Him? If not it is all kind of bogus saying it is for Him. But if you do offer them up to God then you have involved Him in your work and now He is in a position to bless your work.
This is what the Pre-tribulation rapture is, it is the offering of the first fruit of wheat up to the Lord. Jesus was planted into the ground as a grain of wheat, He has come forth and born fruit, that is the first fruit of this harvest. If they are fully for God then God can come in and bless the rest of the harvest.
We often think "oh no, I don't want to be left behind". Sure, but at the same time be thankful for those who are taken because they are wholly for God and that in turn allows God to be wholly for you.