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The Vatican had declared this man was also never a priest, that they never knew him:
WAS HE A ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST? OR A PRETENDER?
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WAS HE A ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST? OR A PRETENDER?
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"Thirty Years in Hell"
... OR ...
"From Darkness to Light."
BY
Ex-Priest, Bernard Fresenborg,
Who for thirty long years tread the slippery and deceitful path
of abhorrent Catholicism, but who to-day stands at the
Vatican's door, with the torch of Protestant wisdom,
and denounces Popery with a tongue
livid with the power of
a living God.
of abhorrent Catholicism, but who to-day stands at the
Vatican's door, with the torch of Protestant wisdom,
and denounces Popery with a tongue
livid with the power of
a living God.
Like a Meteor From God's Throne,
This great book has stirred America from center to circumference.
About 400 Large Pages,
And each Page a stinging rebuke to Roman Catholicism.
Published by
North-American Book House,
St. Louis, Mo.
North-American Book House,
St. Louis, Mo.
Entered according to act of Congress in the year 1904, by
NORTH-AMERICAN BOOK HOUSE,
In the Office of the Librarian of Congress, Washington, D.C.
NORTH-AMERICAN BOOK HOUSE,
In the Office of the Librarian of Congress, Washington, D.C.
Sorry AgeofKnowledge i have to disagree that is exactly why the jesuits were formed. Society of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia these are just simple wiki's i looked up in seconds goto to the libary and research it yourself. I am sorry but this is the very reason I choose to not become a monk after i was saved in 1994 so please answer my question. None has in 17 years.
Praise God and thank you for letting me share.
Praise God and thank you for letting me share.
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We've been talking about historical scholarship: not the theory of evolution. Different arenas entirely. It was very ignorant to mix them together.
Do you really think a mathematician can't do math properly because a life scientist on some other part of the globe believes in the theory of evolution?
They are two completely different things. For your information, a large number of the world's best scholars certainly do believe in God.
And it was a taste of your own medicine. I've seen you use sarcasm as a tool against numerous people in your past posts. You could have laughed it off but you appear to enjoy dishing it out but can't take it.
What's next? Are we done? I'm about ready to move on to be honest. The discussion isn't that interesting anymore. It's just an anti-intellectual conspiracy buff getting bent because their nonsense was debunked on a couple of points. I might be done with this.
Do you really think a mathematician can't do math properly because a life scientist on some other part of the globe believes in the theory of evolution?
They are two completely different things. For your information, a large number of the world's best scholars certainly do believe in God.
And it was a taste of your own medicine. I've seen you use sarcasm as a tool against numerous people in your past posts. You could have laughed it off but you appear to enjoy dishing it out but can't take it.
What's next? Are we done? I'm about ready to move on to be honest. The discussion isn't that interesting anymore. It's just an anti-intellectual conspiracy buff getting bent because their nonsense was debunked on a couple of points. I might be done with this.
Your opinion of who the worlds best scholars are is neither here nor there. Whats the difference whether your talking about history or science? If the worlds best scholars say summink then theres no dismissing it is there?
Yes a mathmatician cant do math properly if the worlds best scholars inject HYPOTHETICAL hornswaggle into their equations. Any and all areas of study can be corrupted by what the 'experts' say.
So your dismissal of my example is clearly worthless and unrealistic.
Bye then. To be honest you wern't really contributing in any meaningful way to the topic so prolly better you go.
Iindependant investigations in a fellowship atmosphere is really not your strong suit.
Yes a mathmatician cant do math properly if the worlds best scholars inject HYPOTHETICAL hornswaggle into their equations. Any and all areas of study can be corrupted by what the 'experts' say.
So your dismissal of my example is clearly worthless and unrealistic.
Bye then. To be honest you wern't really contributing in any meaningful way to the topic so prolly better you go.
Iindependant investigations in a fellowship atmosphere is really not your strong suit.
of course the Jesuits aren't "Catholic" (whatever that is) - they take orders from another group..
Jesuits found dead in Moscow flat
Otto Messmer (left) and Victor Betancourt suffered head injuries
Russian police have launched a murder inquiry after two Jesuit priests were found dead in a Moscow apartment.
The bodies of Otto Messmer, 47, leader of the Russian Jesuit order, and Ecuadorean priest Victor Betancourt, 42, were found on Tuesday night.
The door was found ajar and there were no signs of any theft from the flat in upmarket Petrovka Street.
Police said they had suffered severe head injuries and the bodies had lain undiscovered for at least a day.
The attack on Father Betancourt is believed to have happened at the end of last week as he did not turn up for mass as usual on Sunday, according to Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican's chief press spokesman.
He added that Father Messmer had returned to Moscow from Germany on Monday evening and was probably killed shortly afterwards.
'Brutally murdered'
A statement from the official investigators' office said: "We have launched a probe into the murder.
"[The priests] had skull and brain injuries. Forensic experts have established that they died more than a day before."
The secretary general of the Catholic Bishops' Conference in Russia, Father Igor Kovalevsky, said priests had been murdered in Russia before, but the killing of two priests was "something exceptional".
"They were brutally murdered," Father Kovalevsky told the Associated Press news agency.
The Society of Jesus, as the Jesuit order is named, owns the apartment where the priests' bodies were found in one of Moscow's most exclusive districts, close to the Kremlin and the Bolshoi Theatre.
The Patriarch of Moscow and all Russia, Alexy II, has expressed his condolences over the killings. Several Russian Orthodox priests have been killed across Russia in the past few years. Prosecutors blamed the attacks on criminals looking to steal icons and other church property
BBC NEWS | Europe | Jesuits found dead in Moscow flat
ya right!
Two Catholic priests found dead in Moscow apartment
By Dmitry Solovyov
REUTERS
9:05 a.m. October 29, 2008
MOSCOW – Two Roman Catholic priests were murdered in the apartment where they lived in an upmarket district of Moscow, investigators said on Wednesday.
Victor Betancourt, a Jesuit priest from Ecuador, was killed in the apartment on Saturday and Otto Messmer, a Russian who led the country's Jesuits, was killed there two days later after returning from a foreign trip, their order said in Rome.
'The killing of a person is a grave sin,' said Father Igor Kovalevsky, Secretary General of the Catholic Bishops' Conference in Russia.
'The church is praying for those who carried out this terrible crime, so that God gives them the grace to repent.'
The two priests had sustained injuries to their heads and brains, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Prosecutor-General's Office said in a statement.
'Investigators have launched a probe into the murder,' it said.
Police discovered the bodies at the apartment – a short walk from the Kremlin and on the same street as the Moscow criminal police headquarters – late on Tuesday.
'The investigation is considering all possible versions of what could have happened, including a domestic crime, because the room bore signs of a party,' the Investigative Committee statement said.
It said the door to the apartment was found open but there were no signs that property had been stolen.
The Jesuit order in Rome said a fellow priest had come to the apartment after becoming worried that he had not heard from the two men. He found their bodies and alerted police.
QUIET BUILDING
The apartment where the priests lived is in one of Moscow's most exclusive districts. A Reuters television crew said the metal door to the Jesuits' third-floor apartment had been sealed by police.
'Two men used to live here, usually it was all quiet,' said an elderly neighbor strolling with her dog outside the building. 'This used to be a quiet house and a calm place.'
Another neighbor, who lives on the floor above the two Jesuits, said he had seen one of the priests but had no other contact with them. The neighbor said Russian author Anton Chekhov, who died in 1904, had lived in the same apartment.
A statement issued by Jesuit headquarters said Betancourt, 42, had been working at a theological institute in Moscow. It said Messmer, 47, was a Russian citizen of German origin and that two of his brothers are also Jesuits.
'Police investigations have yet to come to any firm conclusions about (the) cause of these violent deaths,' the statement said. (Additional reporting by Alexander Gelogayev and Grigory Alexanian in Moscow, and by Philip Pullella in Rome) (Writing by Dmitry Solovyov; Editing by Richard Williams)
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figured out why yet?
Jesuits found dead in Moscow flat
Otto Messmer (left) and Victor Betancourt suffered head injuries
Russian police have launched a murder inquiry after two Jesuit priests were found dead in a Moscow apartment.
The bodies of Otto Messmer, 47, leader of the Russian Jesuit order, and Ecuadorean priest Victor Betancourt, 42, were found on Tuesday night.
The door was found ajar and there were no signs of any theft from the flat in upmarket Petrovka Street.
Police said they had suffered severe head injuries and the bodies had lain undiscovered for at least a day.
The attack on Father Betancourt is believed to have happened at the end of last week as he did not turn up for mass as usual on Sunday, according to Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican's chief press spokesman.
He added that Father Messmer had returned to Moscow from Germany on Monday evening and was probably killed shortly afterwards.
'Brutally murdered'
A statement from the official investigators' office said: "We have launched a probe into the murder.
"[The priests] had skull and brain injuries. Forensic experts have established that they died more than a day before."
The secretary general of the Catholic Bishops' Conference in Russia, Father Igor Kovalevsky, said priests had been murdered in Russia before, but the killing of two priests was "something exceptional".
"They were brutally murdered," Father Kovalevsky told the Associated Press news agency.
The Society of Jesus, as the Jesuit order is named, owns the apartment where the priests' bodies were found in one of Moscow's most exclusive districts, close to the Kremlin and the Bolshoi Theatre.
The Patriarch of Moscow and all Russia, Alexy II, has expressed his condolences over the killings. Several Russian Orthodox priests have been killed across Russia in the past few years. Prosecutors blamed the attacks on criminals looking to steal icons and other church property
BBC NEWS | Europe | Jesuits found dead in Moscow flat
ya right!
Two Catholic priests found dead in Moscow apartment
By Dmitry Solovyov
REUTERS
9:05 a.m. October 29, 2008
MOSCOW – Two Roman Catholic priests were murdered in the apartment where they lived in an upmarket district of Moscow, investigators said on Wednesday.
Victor Betancourt, a Jesuit priest from Ecuador, was killed in the apartment on Saturday and Otto Messmer, a Russian who led the country's Jesuits, was killed there two days later after returning from a foreign trip, their order said in Rome.
'The killing of a person is a grave sin,' said Father Igor Kovalevsky, Secretary General of the Catholic Bishops' Conference in Russia.
'The church is praying for those who carried out this terrible crime, so that God gives them the grace to repent.'
The two priests had sustained injuries to their heads and brains, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Prosecutor-General's Office said in a statement.
'Investigators have launched a probe into the murder,' it said.
Police discovered the bodies at the apartment – a short walk from the Kremlin and on the same street as the Moscow criminal police headquarters – late on Tuesday.
'The investigation is considering all possible versions of what could have happened, including a domestic crime, because the room bore signs of a party,' the Investigative Committee statement said.
It said the door to the apartment was found open but there were no signs that property had been stolen.
The Jesuit order in Rome said a fellow priest had come to the apartment after becoming worried that he had not heard from the two men. He found their bodies and alerted police.
QUIET BUILDING
The apartment where the priests lived is in one of Moscow's most exclusive districts. A Reuters television crew said the metal door to the Jesuits' third-floor apartment had been sealed by police.
'Two men used to live here, usually it was all quiet,' said an elderly neighbor strolling with her dog outside the building. 'This used to be a quiet house and a calm place.'
Another neighbor, who lives on the floor above the two Jesuits, said he had seen one of the priests but had no other contact with them. The neighbor said Russian author Anton Chekhov, who died in 1904, had lived in the same apartment.
A statement issued by Jesuit headquarters said Betancourt, 42, had been working at a theological institute in Moscow. It said Messmer, 47, was a Russian citizen of German origin and that two of his brothers are also Jesuits.
'Police investigations have yet to come to any firm conclusions about (the) cause of these violent deaths,' the statement said. (Additional reporting by Alexander Gelogayev and Grigory Alexanian in Moscow, and by Philip Pullella in Rome) (Writing by Dmitry Solovyov; Editing by Richard Williams)
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Your entire post is a red herring. My military service against the Marxists was shared in refuting the false assertion by strangelove that I am a Marxist (an ad hominem delusion his best thinking came up with). I'm not defending Reagan's massive deficit spending, Rumsfield's insanity, or Nancy's fetish with astrology. There is no defense of those things and many like them. Goodbye.
QUOTATIONS
Concerning the Jesuit Order
example:
"It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country – the United States of America – are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe."
Marquis de LaFayette (1757-1834; French statesman and general. He served in the American Continental Army under the command of General George Washington during the American Revolutionary War.)
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"The war [i.e., the American Civil War of 1861-1865] would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits."
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865; 16th President of the United States)
(Note: See the end of this document for the full quotation by Lincoln.)
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Edmond Paris (Author of the book The Secret History of the Jesuits)
Call to Decision
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now just move past the "jesuits" to who controls that order (GET SERIOUS! lolol!):
AND NO, THEY AIN'T HEBREWS SO HOLD YOUR ANTISEMITE ARROWS. SAVE 'EM FOR SOMEBODY WHO BUYS IT.
Rothschild family
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Jump to: navigation, search
"House of Rothschild" redirects here. For the film, see The House of Rothschild.
For the German surname "Rothschild", see Rothschild (disambiguation). For one of the investment banks founded by the family, see N M Rothschild & Sons. For one of the private banks founded by the family, see Edmond de Rothschild Group.
Main article: Rothschild banking family of Naples
The C M de Rothschild & Figli bank arranged substantial loans to the Papal States and to various Kings of Naples plus the Duchy of Parma and the Grand Duchy of Tuscany. However, in the 1830s, Naples followed Spain with a gradual shift away from conventional bond issues that began to affect the bank's growth and profitability. The Unification of Italy in 1861, with the ensuing decline of the Italian aristocracy who had been the Rothschild's primary clients, eventually brought about the closure of their Naples bank, due to declining forecasts for long-term business sustainability. In the early 19th century, the Rothschild family of Naples built up close relations with the Vatican Bank, and the association between the family and the Vatican continued into the 20th century.
Rothschild family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
“"Rothschilds... are the guardians of the papal treasure." -Encyclopedia Judaica, 1901–1906, Vol. 2, p.497
cased closed.
LET'S MOVE ON.
Concerning the Jesuit Order
example:
"It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country – the United States of America – are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe."
Marquis de LaFayette (1757-1834; French statesman and general. He served in the American Continental Army under the command of General George Washington during the American Revolutionary War.)
....................
"The war [i.e., the American Civil War of 1861-1865] would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits."
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865; 16th President of the United States)
(Note: See the end of this document for the full quotation by Lincoln.)
.........................
"The public is practically unaware of the overwhelming responsibility carried by the Vatican and its Jesuits in the starting of the two world wars – a situation which may be explained in part by the gigantic finances at the disposition of the Vatican and its
Jesuits, giving them power in so many spheres, especially since the last conflict."
Jesuits, giving them power in so many spheres, especially since the last conflict."
Edmond Paris (Author of the book The Secret History of the Jesuits)
Call to Decision
~
now just move past the "jesuits" to who controls that order (GET SERIOUS! lolol!):
AND NO, THEY AIN'T HEBREWS SO HOLD YOUR ANTISEMITE ARROWS. SAVE 'EM FOR SOMEBODY WHO BUYS IT.
Rothschild family
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
"House of Rothschild" redirects here. For the film, see The House of Rothschild.
For the German surname "Rothschild", see Rothschild (disambiguation). For one of the investment banks founded by the family, see N M Rothschild & Sons. For one of the private banks founded by the family, see Edmond de Rothschild Group.
Main article: Rothschild banking family of Naples
The C M de Rothschild & Figli bank arranged substantial loans to the Papal States and to various Kings of Naples plus the Duchy of Parma and the Grand Duchy of Tuscany. However, in the 1830s, Naples followed Spain with a gradual shift away from conventional bond issues that began to affect the bank's growth and profitability. The Unification of Italy in 1861, with the ensuing decline of the Italian aristocracy who had been the Rothschild's primary clients, eventually brought about the closure of their Naples bank, due to declining forecasts for long-term business sustainability. In the early 19th century, the Rothschild family of Naples built up close relations with the Vatican Bank, and the association between the family and the Vatican continued into the 20th century.
Rothschild family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
“"Rothschilds... are the guardians of the papal treasure." -Encyclopedia Judaica, 1901–1906, Vol. 2, p.497
cased closed.
LET'S MOVE ON.
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Be good if people remember it's a forum, I find it funny that people hold Reagan and Rumsfield so highly to think it's something to boast about, not meant be a red herring but a chuckle. ha ha ha
Really lighten up.
As far as "patriot" part is concerned our banner is Jesus alone not some idolization of a flag so to speak.
Next thing you know you'll be saying let's attack Iran now.
Politicians are so smart yet the whole world is such a mess. Now theres a reason, they take Prozac, lol
Oh ,regeans star wars, the reptilians are coming rofl x10, now there's a conspiracy theorist in need of counselling as well as Prozac.
Really lighten up.
As far as "patriot" part is concerned our banner is Jesus alone not some idolization of a flag so to speak.
Next thing you know you'll be saying let's attack Iran now.
Politicians are so smart yet the whole world is such a mess. Now theres a reason, they take Prozac, lol
Oh ,regeans star wars, the reptilians are coming rofl x10, now there's a conspiracy theorist in need of counselling as well as Prozac.
this whole move to put the hate on Rome and Jesuits - "the NWO controllers" fantasy is just so obvious.
make it look like "christians" are the bad guys....easy.
publicize pics of priests and popes cooperating with hitler,
have a boatload of paedophile stuff come out...easy.
planned a long long time ago.
make it look like "christians" are the bad guys....easy.
publicize pics of priests and popes cooperating with hitler,
have a boatload of paedophile stuff come out...easy.
planned a long long time ago.
our hero Rummy was blustering about getting to the bottom of the missing 4 trillion dollars (pentagon) on Sept 10, 2001:
Defense.gov Speech:
very next day (Sept 11, 2001), wouldn't you know it?
funny how the accounting office that contained all the documentation of that 4 trillion dollar theft (by an Israeli operative who promptly flew to Tel Aviv) was the precise target of the missl...i mean airliner that hit the Pente.
BULLSEYE.
COINCIDENCE THEORISTS...*chuckle*
Must see Rumsfeld Video about Missing Trillions of Tax Payers Dollars
Must see Rumsfeld Video about Missing Trillions of Tax Payers Dollars - YouTube