The Great Blessing Of Election Unto Salvation

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Iconoclast said:
My friend...it clearly says...
hath blessed US.
Guilty sinners,
were elected ,
to be In Christ
All spiritual blessings describe our inheritance as adopted sons.

God did not elect a purpose, but a people. For Whom He did Foreknow...that is us, the elected people rom 8:29
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Why even bother to debate? God elected me to believe the way I do.
 
Burn1986 said:
Why state this and make a point about predestined or elect? Stating this, with a slant toward elect implies pride and laziness “I’m elect and I’m sitting back enjoying being better than non-elect.”
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The Apostle Paul was praising and worshipping God when he writes this open praise of God for such a great Mercy.
From other writings we see he was actually humbled by this truth. In Fact He also wrote this; Rom.9
9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

So your comments seem out of step with scripture here. Maybe you can erase them before anyone else notices these strange comments?
 
John146 said:
Exactly what I stated earlier about how Calvinists change the wording to fit their RCC doctrine. “To be in Christ”🤦‍♂️
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It looks like you have no understanding of the biblical doctrine of Union with Christ.
To make such a foolish comment about a change of wording is a futile effort to avoid the clear teaching of scripture.
Let me help you as you have no idea what is at issue; James Fowler;

The historic co-active union with Christ is often explained by the crucifixion union, resurrection union, and ascension union of the Christian’s being united with Christ in co-crucifixion (cf. Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:5,6; Col. 2:12; 3:1) and identification with the historical acts of Jesus Christ. This is also referred to as the positional union of identification union with Christ. The Christian has been united “in Christ,” so that when He died we died, when He was raised we were raised, and when He ascended we ascended in historic co-active union with Christ

We have such a spiritual union with the Triune God that “our life is hid with Christ in God” (Col. 3:3), and “Christ is our life” (Col. 3:4). “In Him (in union with Him) we have been made complete” (Col. 2:10). “Every spiritual blessing in heavenly places is ours in Christ Jesus (in union with Christ Jesus)” (Eph. 1:3) —“all things belong to you” (I Cor. 2:21,22)— “everything pertaining to life and godliness” (II Pet. 1:3). Our union with Christ is such that “we are seated in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus (in union with Christ Jesus)” (Eph. 2:6)

Paul explains, “If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things have passed away; behold all things have become new” (II Cor. 5:17). The unregenerate “old man” (Eph. 4:22; Col. 3:9), worthy of death by personal accountability for sin, “has been crucified with Christ” (Rom. 6:6)

A New Identity By spiritual regeneration a Christian becomes a “new man” (Eph. 4:24; Col. 3:10) in Christ. Christians are transformed from being “a natural man” (I Cor. 2:14) into being “spiritual men” (I Cor. 3:1). Whereas they once were “children of the devil” (I John 3:10) and “sons of disobedience” (Eph. 2:2; 5:6), they are now “children of God” (John 1:12; Rom. 8:16; I John 3:1,2,10) and “sons of God” (Rom. 8:14,17; II Cor. 6:18; Gal. 3:26; 4:6,7; Heb. 2:10)
 
Iconoclast said:
To make such a foolish comment about a change of wording is a futile effort to avoid the clear teaching of scripture.
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Read what you just stated...again...again...

Changing words of scripture is a big deal with God.
 
John146 said:
Why even bother to debate? God elected me to believe the way I do.
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There is no debate at all...There are believers, and unbelievers, sheep and goats, wheat and tares
Election refers to the positive action of God electing a multitude of sinners to be saved IN Christ.
I think you are looking for the word reprobation;
Jer.6:30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them.
From the 1689;
3._____ By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise of his glorious grace; others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice. ( 1 Timothy 5:21; Matthew 25:34; Ephesians 1:5, 6; Romans 9:22, 23; Jude 4 )
 
Iconoclast said:
The Apostle Paul was praising and worshipping God when he writes this open praise of God for such a great Mercy.
From other writings we see he was actually humbled by this truth. In Fact He also wrote this; Rom.9
9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

So your comments seem out of step with scripture here. Maybe you can erase them before anyone else notices these strange comments?
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You made this thread pointing more toward the term elect than anything else. Yes Paul was speaking with inspiration of the Holy Spirit. You however had to include the word “elect” in your thread title. My question is why is that word so important to you? Why not just say “The great joy of election”? Or “The great joy of Salvation”?
 
Anyone who crusades for elect predestination is only pushing pride, arrogance, and laziness.
 
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Ephesians 2:4-7 ~ Because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
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Nehemiah6 said:
I have already explained the biblical Gospel many times, but you have probably ignored my posts.

So rather than "explain" the biblical Gospel, I will give you the authoritative words of the Lord Jesus Christ, to set you (and other Calvinists) straight. And pay close attention to John 3:17, since that ONE verse totally demolishes TULIP:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Everyone agrees, including Strong's and Thayer's that the Greek word for world here --kosmos -- means the whole world of humanity. Which means that Christ (and even John Calvin in his Commentary) is flatly telling you that God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit will draw ALL MEN to themselves.

Strong's Concordance
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Definition: order, the world
Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2889: κόσμος
κόσμος, κόσμου, ὁ;
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις, 1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winers Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. )): Matthew 13:38; Matthew 18:7; Mark 14:9; John 1:10, 29 ( L in brackets); ; Romans 3:6, 19; 1 Corinthians 1:27f (cf. Winer's Grammar, 189 (178)); ; 2 Corinthians 5:19; James 2:5 (cf. Winer's Grammar, as above)
Apparently Thayer carefully avoided John 3:16,17 since he may have been a Calvinist.
But John Calvin set him straight long before Thayer.

Calvin's Commentary on Bible Hub
v 16. For God so loved the world. Christ opens up the first cause, and, as it were, the source of our salvation, and he does so, that no doubt may remain; for our minds cannot find calm repose, until we arrive at the unmerited love of God. As the whole matter of our salvation must not be sought any where else than in Christ, so we must see whence Christ came to us, and why he was offered to be our Savior. Both points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish... [TAKE CAREFUL NOTE]

v 17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world. It is a confirmation of the preceding statement; for it was not in vain that God sent his own Son to us. He came not to destroy; and therefore it follows, that it is the peculiar office of the Son of God, that all who believe may obtain salvation by him. There is now no reason why any man should be in a state of hesitation, or of distressing anxiety, as to the manner in which he may escape death, when we believe that it was the purpose of God that Christ should deliver us from it. The word world is again repeated, that no man may think himself wholly excluded, if he only keep the road of faith.
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The world is the scope of the mission field. What is most important is....THE EVERYONE BELIEVING

15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during,

16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.

Notice, it is not everyone ever born, it is not the world of the ungodly, what it is instead are sinners who the Father has given to the Son. All of them come to Jesus, just as the biblical teaching known as Calvinism teaches..
So maybe we have helped you get past your latest excuses that enables you to deny the truth.

We noticed also you failed to explain what is the biblical definition of the gospel.
 
Burn1986 said:
You made this thread pointing more toward the term elect than anything else. Yes Paul was speaking with inspiration of the Holy Spirit. You however had to include the word “elect” in your thread title. My question is why is that word so important to you? Why not just say “The great joy of election”? Or “The great joy of Salvation”?
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Paul and the other Apostles constantly used the term, elect, and election as they communicated with the churches.
God has elected a nation
God has elected a servant
God has elected individuals
God has an elect Covenant people His Church.
Paul had no problem using this term to describe the objects of God's love; 2tim2:
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Titus 1
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

So Burn, let me ask you, why do you dislike the term elect, or election, and the God who does all this?

Is it possible you have been exposed to weak and false teaching like those that offer anti Calvinistic posts, and present only caricatures of it. Ask any questions you have and we can offer help.
 
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