Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Your lack of any sense of logic is absolutely astounding.
How do you draw that conclusion from -
John 11:26
26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this? "
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Those listening to Jesus were alive were they not? and they believed after listening, if they believed at all. And those that kept believing on Him never died.
How do you draw that conclusion from -
John 11:26
26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this? "
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Those listening to Jesus were alive were they not? and they believed after listening, if they believed at all. And those that kept believing on Him never died.
I tried to point out to Unitarians and Trinitarians on CARM years ago how they kept on each cherrypicking translations of the same verse that sounded akin to their own positions, and adamantly insisting that theirs was the only possible realistic meaning of that text. No one cared to learn and concede that the original language of that text afforded support for, or at least accommodated, both positions, depending on what ideas one imported into that text from outside that text. I learned a lot in researching my responses, but I didn't feel like most there learned anything apart from cherry-picking from other people's responses whatever would cement in their original biases.
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Obviously not. They remained reconciled to God (living), as opposed to alienated from Him by guilt and shame and indifference (dead). The other meaning of dead in the Bible, other than physical death (the body lacking breath, heart-beat and consciousness).
How do you define "dead", as it is used in the Bible, with some scriptures that support your definitions.
How do you define "dead", as it is used in the Bible, with some scriptures that support your definitions.
Sounds good to me 
In spite of all this, you NR are as happy as piglets rolling in the mud -- all the while stealing God's glory from Him and his miracle of salvation -- a glory to which he swore he will never give to anyone!
Hmm....Isn't there a commandment somewhere that says, "Thou shall not steal"? And didn't Jesus sternly warn against entering the sheep gate by any other way than by the [narrow] "gate"? And that those who don't are noting less than a thieves and robbers (Jn 10:1)? Yet, this is what you NR do. You invent clever ways to make salvation a cheap, worldly partnership arrangement between you and God! Salvation is reduced to a mere quid pro quo arrangement. And of course, it's always the finite, evil, God-hating, truth-hating, darkness-loving partners who have to make the first move to birth yourselves, otherwise God would be "forcing his will" upon you. After all, none of the partners in this relationship can ever see themselves as spiritually impoverished, miserable wretches, destitute of any intrinsic goodness and powerless to live up to their end of the bargain.
May God have mercy on all your souls!
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Nothing is impossible for God. Maybe that is what the New Heart promise is all about in the New Covenant? If it weren't for Him I wouldn't be a slave to obedience which leads to righteousness (Rom 6:15ff.). Is it better to be a slave of Satan than a slave to a Holy, Righteous, Good, Loving, Compassionate, Merciful King? Are you saying that God is wicked to sovereignly deliver his elect from the slavery of sin, the law, the devil, fear and death and make his people slaves of obedience instead, whereby they become free for the things I just listed?
Have you never learned that God is so powerful, so wise that he can turn Evil on its head to become Good!?
Have you never learned that God is so powerful, so wise that he can turn Evil on its head to become Good!?
I know you would say that. So, Jesus was saying the very, very obvious: You guys who are physically alive and believe the gospel? His hearers didn't know they were physically alive? And yet, you don't attach the same absurd, physical meaning to '"will live even though he dies" physically , do you? If Jesus was waxing physical with life in v.26, why not with death, as well in v25?
So, Jesus was saying the very, very obvious: You guys who are physically alive and believe the gospel? His hearers didn't know they were physically alive? And yet, you don't attach the same absurd, physical meaning to '"will live even though he dies" physically , do you? If Jesus was waxing physical with life in v.26, why not with death, as well in v25?
I know you would say that. So, Jesus was saying the very, very obvious: You guys who are physically alive and believe the gospel? His hearers didn't know they were physically alive? And yet, you don't attach the same absurd, physical meaning to '"will live even though he dies" physically , do you? If Jesus was waxing physical with life in v.26, why not with death, as well in v25?
So, Jesus was saying the very, very obvious: You guys who are physically alive and believe the gospel? His hearers didn't know they were physically alive? And yet, you don't attach the same absurd, physical meaning to '"will live even though he dies" physically , do you? If Jesus was waxing physical with life in v.26, why not with death, as well in v25?
John 11:25-27
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that is believing in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever is living and is believing in me shall never die. Do you believe this?
Jesus is alluding to himself being the resurrection and life raising all the dead saints on the last day.
The souls believing in Jesus on that day, though his body were dead, will rise again and live physically.
And those alive on that day, will be changed in the twinkling of an eye without dying.
It's not about regeneration at all.
Hello, Roger … What’s your understanding of Ephesians 1:13-14?
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Please excuse me for finding somewhat hilarious the fact that you pick and pick and pick at others for not sticking to exactly what the Bible says while you adamantly and repeatedly refused to admit how frequently you go beyond what the Bible actually explicitly states while making rationalizations for doing so.
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I am out for coffee right now and not able to look up verses to support any thoughts I might have on what the Bible says about death, but obviously there is more than one type of death spoken of, for there is physical death and there is what we call spiritual death, and there is also the first death which all experience, and the second death which is everlasting for those who suffer it (believers escape the second death). Jesus spoke of death as sleep and some revile thinking along those lines as if Jesus was a liar. Such people mock the idea of death being likened to sleep, and claim that sleep is a metaphor for wakefulness... which is pretty strange, if you ask me.
" Born once, die twice; born twice, die once."
" Born once, die twice; born twice, die once."