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HeIsHere

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No one has sympathy for Hamas.You buy into Israels lies that everyone they kill is a terrorist.

This little girl was no.terrorist.She is a victim.
Look closely at what you are calling Hamas.

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Thank you.
At least seem people understand nuance and complexity.
 

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Perhaps you can outline the book of Revelation and compare it to the outline of Deuteronomy for me?
My take on eschatology has to do with a covenant ending and the repercussions for it as stated in the covenant.
If you don't understand the purpose of the book, how do you reconcile its contents?
I need NO input from you whatsoever regarding eschatology. None.

Hos 5:15
I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
***Then*** they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”

Israel MUST ASK CHRIST TO RETURN (speak to the Rock) before He comes......the Second Coming.

Exo 17:6
“Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock in Horeb; and you shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink.” And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

Num 20:8
“Take the rod; you and your brother Aaron gather the congregation together. Speak to the rock before their eyes, and it will yield its water; thus you shall bring water for them out of the rock, and give drink to the congregation and their animals.”

Gen 42:8
So Joseph recognized his brothers, but they did not recognize him

Zec 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Gen 45:1
Then Joseph could not restrain himself before all those who stood by him, and he cried out, “Make everyone go out from me!” So no one stood with him while Joseph made himself known to his brothers.

Hos 5:15
I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
Then they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”
Hos 6:1
Come, and let us return to the LORD;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
Hos 6:2
After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Let me ask you a question.

Will these people who have crucify Christ themselves,look upon him when he comes?
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

 

cv5

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Little Israel ,persecuting the saints?
Who would think such a thing?


34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
THIS is the heart of Jesus towards His brethren.
Yours, on the other hand is full of hatred toward them.

Gen 45:15
Moreover he kissed all his brothers and wept over them, and after that his brothers talked with him.
 

HeIsHere

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I need NO input from you whatsoever regarding eschatology. None.

Hos 5:15
I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
***Then*** they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”

Israel MUST ASK CHRIST TO RETURN (speak to the Rock) before He comes......the Second Coming.

Exo 17:6
“Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock in Horeb; and you shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink.” And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

Num 20:8
“Take the rod; you and your brother Aaron gather the congregation together. Speak to the rock before their eyes, and it will yield its water; thus you shall bring water for them out of the rock, and give drink to the congregation and their animals.”

Gen 42:8
So Joseph recognized his brothers, but they did not recognize him

Zec 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Gen 45:1
Then Joseph could not restrain himself before all those who stood by him, and he cried out, “Make everyone go out from me!” So no one stood with him while Joseph made himself known to his brothers.

Hos 5:15
I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
Then they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”
Hos 6:1
Come, and let us return to the LORD;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
Hos 6:2
After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
Ah yes, God is going back to types and shadows.
 
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That's your answer. I gave you mine. Do I need to re- post it?
This is a fact

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

You support antichrist while opposing christians.
You don't even believe the kingdom of God was promised to Christ and them who belong to Christ.

You say it belongs to antichrist who opposes Christ

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ
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Only someone who opposes Christ would say that Christ is not the heir.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I had already quoted it .
Open your eyes.

No, you quoted your belief about it. You don't know Genesis from the maps. God made an everlasting, unconditional promise and He will keep it. Whether you like Jews or you don't. Whether you think they are worthy or not. Romans says they can and will be grafted in again. Anything you add after that is nonsense, and as a matter of fact, anti-Christ. God has His hand on the Jews, be mad about it. He's a God that keeps His promises. If He won't keep His promises to the Jews He won't keep them to you either. I stand on and believe His promises!
 
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THIS is the heart of Jesus towards His brethren.
Yours, on the other hand is full of hatred toward them.

Gen 45:15
Moreover he kissed all his brothers and wept over them, and after that his brothers talked with him.

I don't see Caiaphas as Jesus brother.

I dare not say they have the same father.

John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



Does it sound like they have the same father to you?
 
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No, you quoted your belief about it. You don't know Genesis from the maps. God made an everlasting, unconditional promise and He will keep it. Whether you like Jews or you don't. Whether you think they are worthy or not. Romans says they can and will be grafted in again. Anything you add after that is nonsense, and as a matter of fact, anti-Christ. God has His hand on the Jews, be mad about it. He's a God that keeps His promises. If He won't keep His promises to the Jews He won't keep them to you either. I stand on and believe His promises!
That wasn't the question and the post I quoted had nothing to do with Genesis.

You don't know what me and mem were discussing.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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This is a fact

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

You support antichrist while opposing christians.
You don't even believe the kingdom of God was promised to Christ and them who belong to Christ.

You say it belongs to antichrist who opposes Christ

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ
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Only someone who opposes Christ would say that Christ is not the heir.

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.


5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.


8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.


11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.


15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:


21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.


23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
 
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1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.


8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.


11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.


15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

I never said God has cast off all Jews

I see 144000 being saved in the bible and have read much about them
The rest are destroyed.You can read about their destruction here in the word of God.

Ezekiel

9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.

10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.
 

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well we published a small encyclopedia about it back when

now the forum seems to be the hangout of modern day Calviniasts.
The last several pages have discussed different topics over the last few day's and so I took the liberty to research/watch and not become involved in the different discussion, but yes I agree. As for NAR I see now that it is thrown in to many of the articles./videos along with 7MM and so I was not separating the two(still not sure if I should,lol),, Something about this new Christian idea just keeps causing me to be cautious. It seems now afterwards that the very thing that they have always feared is sprouted in that in the end they themselves seek an one world religion and government over the earth and they themselves, beguiled are co-conspirators in it.