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homwardbound

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Matthew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter morethan me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:37
If you love your father and mother more than you loveme, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine.
Luke 14:26
“Anyone who wants to be my follower must love me far more than he does his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters—yes, more than his own life—otherwise he cannot be my disciple.

Let's say, you lost your mother or anyone to death, that you love. And you find out, that God is not saving any of them.
Will you continue to love God over everything including yourself, and anyone else, if they are not saved by God?

I lost a sister to an overdose, I was 14 years old, she was 18 then. If God does not save her, will I still put God in Christ first, continue to? Will you?
That is what I think God, Jesus was saying through Jesus to us the people, how about y'all
I chose God and however it turns out, me believing God is the one and only one righteous, and therefore, I stand in God's judgement, whether or not anyone makes it or not. God's call not mine.
That is me, after much discerning over everything, as bad as those verses sound, including, eat my flesh and drink my blood. Is astounding to flesh nature is it not?

So, I am curious to other views from each person in belief to God too, thank you
 

p_rehbein

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It is pretty clear. Anyone/thing one loves MORE than God becomes their God. It does not mean we are not to love our fathers, mothers, family, neighbors, for we are taught to love them, and to even love our enemies. It simply means no one or thing is to be MORE loved than God. Put God first in ALL things scripture teaches us.
 

Burn1986

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Matthew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter morethan me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:37
If you love your father and mother more than you loveme, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine.
Luke 14:26
“Anyone who wants to be my follower must love me far more than he does his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters—yes, more than his own life—otherwise he cannot be my disciple.

Let's say, you lost your mother or anyone to death, that you love. And you find out, that God is not saving any of them.
Will you continue to love God over everything including yourself, and anyone else, if they are not saved by God?

I lost a sister to an overdose, I was 14 years old, she was 18 then. If God does not save her, will I still put God in Christ first, continue to? Will you?
That is what I think God, Jesus was saying through Jesus to us the people, how about y'all
I chose God and however it turns out, me believing God is the one and only one righteous, and therefore, I stand in God's judgement, whether or not anyone makes it or not. God's call not mine.
That is me, after much discerning over everything, as bad as those verses sound, including, eat my flesh and drink my blood. Is astounding to flesh nature is it not?

So, I am curious to other views from each person in belief to God too, thank you
I think God is talking about real-life pressures and needs. When you give your life to Jesus (or obey what you feel God telling you), your family may not be totally on board. Doesn’t mean we stop loving them or leave them, but we chose to do what God tells us and trust God to work out our family, if they get mad at us over it.
 

wattie

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Loving God more than family....well in theory a church you belong to would be closer than family. Because you share mostly the same beliefs. And you would be all believers ideally.

A family could have all sorts of beliefs and no unity in Christ.

A family that goes to the same church together, all believers and united in Christ is a different story.
 

homwardbound

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Matthew 22:36-40
Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. ...

And Father, I see the people loving one another, are we loving others over loving you? Am I putting up with the other person, that is obvious, they do not know truth? Could be my neighbor, next door or a long distance away.
What am I to do. Listen! Love all, not just a few as only the first born do.

2 Corinthians 11

King James Version

11 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The simplicity, What simplicity? I am trying, I want to and when I do, I am elated and when I do not I am guilty again and again, then in pride again also, being told I have to repent over and over and over again. yet, I do not see you coming back to die all over gain, that is done for us all by Son through you is it not?

Luke 18:9-14

King James Version

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Am I proud, I am in and you are not in? Am I loving to all, not just those others in my Church gathering. What is true Love? So many definitions of.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7

King James Version

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

That above Lord, is what I need to work through me, thank you, I trust you to get that in and through me. For I see me, that First born person, not able being in pride and guilt here on earth from being a "Betty better than you" taught to not do and do to be in with God. When in reality, that is to be in with them, people of high stature here on earth, above God. Sounds like Pharisees, I do not see a pharisee as fair you see. That was clear to then by you Lord, in your earth walk here on earth, before the crucifixion to fix us, the people as reconciled forgiven
I trust you Father and Son to teach me new and learn truth from you, listening to others, yes. Yet taking it all to you to hear truth over error(s) of the flesh nature leading as if it is right. When no flesh pleases Father, Son and Holy Spirit. you came to save the Soul, by giving us your Spirit, Holy Spirit to lead, only if we are willing will this become that. For all that will not deny you, thank you, no matter how many mistakes one makes. If one is growing from them and learning new, then yes, God has got you smothered and covered in God for you to be new and remain new.
If you do not care, then you might not be in with God and you personally.
It is each person's personal free choice to choose, the tis a loving, merciful God I see, and so I chose to believe to see
Love to all
 

Pilgrimshope

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Matthew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter morethan me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:37
If you love your father and mother more than you loveme, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine.
Luke 14:26
“Anyone who wants to be my follower must love me far more than he does his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters—yes, more than his own life—otherwise he cannot be my disciple.

Let's say, you lost your mother or anyone to death, that you love. And you find out, that God is not saving any of them.
Will you continue to love God over everything including yourself, and anyone else, if they are not saved by God?

I lost a sister to an overdose, I was 14 years old, she was 18 then. If God does not save her, will I still put God in Christ first, continue to? Will you?
That is what I think God, Jesus was saying through Jesus to us the people, how about y'all
I chose God and however it turns out, me believing God is the one and only one righteous, and therefore, I stand in God's judgement, whether or not anyone makes it or not. God's call not mine.
That is me, after much discerning over everything, as bad as those verses sound, including, eat my flesh and drink my blood. Is astounding to flesh nature is it not?

So, I am curious to other views from each person in belief to God too, thank you
what does he mean when he says love ? Truthfully brother Jesus tax he’s us that when we live each other his way in his ways and name

We are Loving Him.

we shouldn’t ever have any person above the lord for certain in our heart , but his teachings are about how to love each other the right ways and how not to do harm to each other

and in following his ways towards one another that’s what it is to worship and honor him to treat his other beloved children and creatures with love and honor and dignity and respect

just for everyone to live in peace and good will towards one another no violence theft murder abuse and greed which is idolatry where people actually care for other people not only with thier words but with thier deeds and lives thier time shared or help given because His love is alive inside us and it acts when possible

What I’m saying is God commands us to love each other And in keeping his commandments we are honoring him above others even and most importantly our own self needs to be humble as a child before the father

“By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

forgive one another , dont condemn one another be merciful to one another , give when you see a need in another and you have plenty , care about the state of your neighbor when he’s low as if he is a beloved brother. Help when you can the other people that are struggling in whatever ways your able share some time not always just on what you want and feel like doing

Spend some time for things God wants done

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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homwardbound

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It is pretty clear. Anyone/thing one loves MORE than God becomes their God. It does not mean we are not to love our fathers, mothers, family, neighbors, for we are taught to love them, and to even love our enemies. It simply means no one or thing is to be MORE loved than God. Put God first in ALL things scripture teaches us.
Put God first in ALL things scripture teaches us.

Question, is that above a half to or else God will get you?
Or is it what is best for each person to choose to do in it all?

I am saying given free choice to choose, is best to choose willingly, isn't it? Jesus did that all the way to willing death, which he could have stopped, couldn't he have?
Was even told by those that would not believe him as the Messiah promised, to do works, get done off that cross.
Can you imagine if he he'd got down and began to recompense those people right then, wow, woe would be guys all instantly and his death would g=have never covered our deserved death would it?
 

homwardbound

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what does he mean when he says love ? Truthfully brother Jesus tax he’s us that when we live each other his way in his ways and name

We are Loving Him.

we shouldn’t ever have any person above the lord for certain in our heart , but his teachings are about how to love each other the right ways and how not to do harm to each other

and in following his ways towards one another that’s what it is to worship and honor him to treat his other beloved children and creatures with love and honor and dignity and respect

just for everyone to live in peace and good will towards one another no violence theft murder abuse and greed which is idolatry where people actually care for other people not only with thier words but with thier deeds and lives thier time shared or help given because His love is alive inside us and it acts when possible

What I’m saying is God commands us to love each other And in keeping his commandments we are honoring him above others even and most importantly our own self needs to be humble as a child before the father

“By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

forgive one another , dont condemn one another be merciful to one another , give when you see a need in another and you have plenty , care about the state of your neighbor when he’s low as if he is a beloved brother. Help when you can the other people that are struggling in whatever ways your able share some time not always just on what you want and feel like doing

Spend some time for things God wants done

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Yes, yet to get the correct interpretation is key, as you know this already.
Ecclesiastes answers these Questions seriously.
All is vanity, unless God is leading you, me and anyone else in anything done or not done to anyone. There is a time to give, and a time not to give. God knows who, where when and how.
We all go through troubles here on this earth
We all get taken upon that high mountain and see the structures of society today, and get offered great jobs, marriage, kids, and money to boot. Many take it, and hear this evil as an angel of light giving it, acting as good. We all are subjects to it.
This be ware.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The Tabernacle was destroyed in AD 70. Man took it on and rebuilt it, the first Harbinger after the risen Christ for us the people to believe God or not Son is risen for them to be new in God's Love to all, that only God can reveal not any other person. not this world's interpretation of Love
God's true Love 1 Cor 13:4-7 which is Charity, that is not ever deserved to ever be given to anyone, but Son who walked earth perfect in love to all, even being bold against the Pharisees. Was still loving to the Pharisees, just not seen as so today by many.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7

King James Version

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Who told truth about their own selfishness, them, disguising it under "they Are loving". They are not
Boldly told by Jesus
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Still happening to this very day in the new built Churches built by Man not God

1 Corinthians 13:4-7

King James Version

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Once you and others get a grasp on truth about the deception that is still going on today
One learns new and becomes aware and does not fight over it in the flesh nature, first birth of the flesh nature that loves to fight and war against everything
Until born new from God Father of the risen Son for them
Receive John 4:23-24
Receive Matthew 10:16-20, Luke 21:14-15. The new born again, take time and learn not to react to anything quickly anymore. These new born again kids, sit down and wait patiently to hear from Father in the Holy Spirit to lead, as you agree with Father as what is best for you and neighbor