1,300+ Muslims Raptured During the Hajj Pilgrimage

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I joined the KOC, they saw me at Church and signed me up before they even knew me. So what can be said about us?
I've met some Muslims that do good deeds just like the Knights of Columbus. Really, Islam is just reformed Christianity. The same way that Christianity is just reformed Judaism. Everything that Christians say about Muslims, Jews say about Christians, lol.
 
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Just realized you meant my name. lol. I've already heard all of these arguments before that he is making. Some people would say that the Quran outmatched the Bible. So, IDK what his point is about real diamonds vs man-created ones. That's the problem with Christian pastors, they use euphemisms to teach. Well, that isn't legit. You cannot call an apple an orange. For instance, could the average person ACTUALLY tell the difference between man-created diamonds and real diamonds? NO! So his figure of speech fails. I cannot stand listening to pastors anymore. They think they are so smart. Knowledge puffs up their ego.
 

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Everything you say about Mohammed and Muslims you can say about Christians. Remember the crusades? The dark age? They preached what you preach...
Yes, but the different is that Jesus taught love your enemys. And not all Christians which believe they are, are Christians. 25 years i believed I am a Christian, because I was baptised as child. Then Jesus revealed me, that I am not a Christian, without him. The mayority of Christians in germany are name or nominal Christians, as I was.
So we must maby distinct between Followers of Jesus Christ and nominal Christians.
Btw Without Mohammed no Islam, without Islam no Crusade to free Jerusalem. But this is another Box.
Clear is that the God who reveals himself in the bible and Mohammeds God have nothing common.
And you cant explain this fact away. The Islam denyes that Jesus is Gods son!
 
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They are making a distinction between God, the Father... and a prophet. Jesus WAS a man. 100% human. However, he also spoke his first words the day he was born. 100% God. I think Jews have the same problem with Jesus. They recognize that the Father is much greater than he.

John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

John 14:28
"You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away, and I am coming to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

Is Jesus really the Father? Or was he FROM the Father?
 

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I joined the KOC, they saw me at Church and signed me up before they even knew me. So what can be said about us?
I've met some Muslims that do good deeds just like the Knights of Columbus. Really, Islam is just reformed Christianity. The same way that Christianity is just reformed Judaism. Everything that Christians say about Muslims, Jews say about Christians, lol.
How can Islam be reformed christianity?
You mentioned in one of your posts brainwashed Christians.
For to set the devil on Gods position is in deed brainwashed or blindness.
 
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Islam is reformed Christianity because it came 500 years after the New Testament. They believe in all of the scriptures that were handed down from the beginning. However, they do not believe it is "infallible." They believe, like many non-muslims, that the Bible was written by men who had an agenda. The Roman empire had an ulterior motive. To control the masses. The Gospels weren't even written until all of the Apostles had died. So who wrote them? Were they not part of the OT & NT scriptures that were handed down from the beginning by desert dwelling Arabs?
 

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Islam is reformed Christianity because it came 500 years after the New Testament. They believe in all of the scriptures that were handed down from the beginning. However, they do not believe it is "infallible." They believe, like many non-muslims, that the Bible was written by men who had an agenda. The Roman empire had an ulterior motive. To control the masses. The Gospels weren't even written until all of the Apostles had died. So who wrote them? Were they not part of the OT & NT scriptures that were handed down from the beginning by desert dwelling Arabs?
Let me ask you, what you want on an Christian side, if your deny the bible as word of God and praise instead the koran?
 
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I'm not saying the Bible ISN'T the Word of God. It is. I just believe some of it got distorted over time. Much like the telephone game.
 

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I'm just throwing the idea out there. Maybe that's what the rapture will be like, instead of people "floating into the sky" like some sort of tractor beam? Which is more realistic? I've heard other people wonder this too. What if the idea of a "rapture" isn't necessarily a good thing. To "snatch" believers from the earth sounds like what we saw in Hajj.
Beam me up Scotty! :D

I somewhat appreciate your irreverent humor, especially since the rapture as taught today is not really a biblical thing.

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HeIsHere

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I'm not saying the Bible ISN'T the Word of God. It is. I just believe some of it got distorted over time. Much like the telephone game.
What is distorted are the plain words of Jesus, "when you see these things" His audience.
 

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The Rapture does not apply to unbelieving Muslims. So where did you get this idea?
I'm going to guess it has something to do with the name he chose for himself.
 

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I'm just throwing the idea out there. Maybe that's what the rapture will be like, instead of people "floating into the sky" like some sort of tractor beam? Which is more realistic? I've heard other people wonder this too. What if the idea of a "rapture" isn't necessarily a good thing. To "snatch" believers from the earth sounds like what we saw in Hajj.
Why does everyone think the rapture is a "good thing". For all those people left on the ground they will be terrified, they will know the day of the wrath of the Lamb has come. They will hide in their bunkers under ground.

Anyone who is refusing to embrace Jesus Christ as King of Kings will be trembling.