Pentecostal view of the holy spirit.

[Lamar]

The thing about "unknown tongues" is (conveniently) there's no way to prove or disprove it. When tongues first became a big thing in the early 20th century, the belief was that tongues were human languages that had not been previously learned, but were supernaturally imparted. However, when missionaries set out to demonstrate it by traveling to foreign lands to preach the gospel in the native tongues of the people, they fell flat; no one understood a word they said. It wasn't long after this they retooled and tongues became an unknown or angelic tongue. No one could say otherwise because how could they?

To me this is the most clear and convincing evidence that ecstatic utterances are not the real thing.

There is a obvious way to prove tongues/interpretation are real. Have someone speak in tongues and then have multiple "interpreters" write down what was said. Do this a number of times and a consensus can be reached.

 

[ResidentAlien]

There is a obvious way to prove tongues/interpretation are real. Have someone speak in tongues and then have multiple "interpreters" write down what was said. Do this a number of times and a consensus can be reached.

That actually makes a lot of sense; but you could never get anyone to try it. They'd have a thousand reasons why it wouldn't work: You can't put God to the test; if they did it and it didn't work it's because the Holy Spirit doesn't operate on demand; the speaker or the interpreter is fake, not tongues; etc., etc., etc. That's the beauty of the angelic language, nothing to prove and no one can disprove.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

At my age I have heard literally millions of prayers from all sorts of people from preachers to pew warmers and there's always a portion in every prayer where the person stops knowing what to say. Or they pray short prayers because they can't remain focused. And then people ask, why hasn't God answered our prayers? Because you never asked God for what you actually needed.

But to those people who have everything they need from God we see why.

13 These things we also speak—not in words taught by human wisdom but in words taught by the Ruach, explaining the spiritual to the spiritual.

26 In the same way, the Ruach helps in our weakness. For we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Ruach Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words.


I say to those who reject tongues let them remain blinded and still in need. For it's by ignorance and pride they suffer as they do.

 

[Lamar]

Jeremiah 23:32
32 Indeed, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” declares the LORD. “They tell them and lead my people astray with their reckless lies, yet I did not send or appoint them. They do not benefit these people in the least,” declares the LORD.

To all those who claim to prophesy in the name of the Holy Spirit, beware!
To all those who claim visions, tongues, interpretations or knowledge given to them by the Holy Spirit, beware!


Ezekiel 13:7-9
7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken?
8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord. 9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.

To all those who declare to speak in languages given to them by the Lord, beware!
To all those who proclaim divine interpretations in the name of the Lord, beware!

Jude 8
8 Yet in the same way these dreamers also defile the flesh, reject authority, and slander the glorious ones.

To all those caught up in the false teachings of the Pentecostal movement, beware!
To all those who reject faith apart from sight, who seek the flesh of physical experience, beware!

John 20:27-31
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” 30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

To all those who proclaim physical experiences over faith in the unseen, beware!
To all those who feel blessed because of their proclaimed physical gifts, beware!

 

[Blade]

Been doing some reading lately on the whole tongues thing. Coming from a baptist background much of this philosophy is new to me, hopefully actual Pentecostals will reply. As I understand it most mainstream Pentecostals seem to believe there's two forms of the holy spirit. One that occurs at salvation and the other an occur at any time, and is supposed to manifest itself as tongue speaking to empower the individual. If I were to paraphrase, is it like being registered with the holy spirit at first and the recieving of actual power comes later as a sign you move on to ministry?

Seems there's a common view amongst baptists thinking pentacostals make tongues vital to salvation, but from what I've dug up, only a small handful of sub-categories seem to believe this and few of them seem to come out and say it. Closest I can find appear to say "Speaking in tongues is the only way to be absolutely sure you're saved." which I don't agree with. Though the notion of two different aspects of the holy spirit would explain some things in book of acts. So I'm guessing the attitude of Pentecostals claiming your only saved if you speak in tongues is a false stereotype?

Hi.. first at 63 and all the different Churches I have been in and part of praise GOD.. "tongues proves your really saved" was not there. Sure that are some that believe that yet since is not written we don't play with that thought. Now when Jesus walked this earth for 40 days were the 11, 120+ (women also) all saved? So what part of the holy spirit did they have? Did not Christ tell them unless I go the holy Spirit will not come? So Christ told them to wait for the promise.... what did Christ pray ask of the Father? So what fell was not on just 11 but everyone in that room. I am reminded of Carman a song about the upper room haha how one of 11 was asking .. I think "Peter did you leave the window open?" Any way

I remember watching this man of GOD bless his heart known but was saying what happened to them does not happen any more. Yet asking those if they have received the holy spirit since they believed is exactly what happened to me. A hear I am.. and then there are hundreds of millions that this also happened to them. Bible study .. I was saved the day before.. asked if I wanted the holy Spirit no clue what they were really saying but it was written luke 11 13. I said yes.. he prayed a very short prayer only read what the bible said and said nothing more. After he prayed said "that's it you got it" Got what? No one said a word I got up and the moment I sat down tongues just came out. Now was it as in my life any different? HOLY JESUS PRAISE GOD GLORY GLORY GLORY TO JESUS. YES like day and night. Its like I always had this drip but now.. ooh its a flood! Its exactly what He said.. you shall receive power after..

Now some will not believe.. praise GOD they know Christ and that is what matters.. that is why they will live for ever. Me? I read John 3:16-17 and believed GOD there so why would I doubt what GOD said in Luke 11 13? I don't care what some man said.. if GOD said it.. if He said ask.. I am going to ask.. Shall I post pages and pages and pages no lie about all He has done just in my life because I only believed HIM and as they said in that bible study I still hold to this day "if we say anything that is not in the bible do not believe us"

For me when I stand on His word He always every time keeps it.. ask Him if I am not telling the truth word for word. But.. its about do you know JESUS Christ who came in the flesh.. did you repent.. and confess and believe in your hear.. GOD raised Him from the dead.. He is what matters