There is absolutely no evidence in the Bible, neither in Church History, that the apostolic churches observed the Jewish Sabbath. But as Paul said, Christians have the liberty to deem any deem above the others, and Christians by and large deem the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK as the day of rest and worship. As long as you do not insist that they are wrong.
How did the New Testament church worship?
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I would suggest to prayerful read the posted scriptures as references How did the New Testament church worship? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
You provided no scripture saying the first day is a new day of worship and for rest by the apostles, but more importantly, by God, God alone personally wrote His law, He said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34 and no real servant would undermine God, which is why we see the apostles faithfully keeping every Sabbath Acts 18:4 as they were servants of Christ as should we be. A servant is not greater than their master.
You provided no scripture saying the first day is a new day of worship and for rest by the apostles, but more importantly, by God, God alone personally wrote His law, He said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34 and no real servant would undermine God, which is why we see the apostles faithfully keeping every Sabbath Acts 18:4 as they were servants of Christ as should we be. A servant is not greater than their master.
Acts 15 is about circumcision Acts 15:1 and the apostles didn't tell them to love thy neighbor or love God with thy whole heart, does that mean Gentiles are exempt from everything not stated in Acts 15. Where is that verse.
God's moral law is for everyone-they were never multiple choice, suggestions, or to be edited as if man has more authority than God. Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18
The Sabbath is God's Sabbath, not the Sabbath of the Jews- He calls it in His own Words My holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God Isa 58:13 who are we to profane something God blessed and made holy and said it was all mankind. Isa 56:6 Mat 2:27
Jesus clears up any confusion on who the Sabbath is for when He clearly says its made for human-beings Mark 2:27 He kept it faithfully and is our example to follow Luke 4:16 He condemned those who keep their own rules/traditions in lieu of the commandments of God quoting right from the Ten Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 and warned not to break the least of these commandments or to teach others to break Mat 5:19-30. The apostles kept every Sabbath preaching to both Gentiles and Jews Acts 13:41 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 and its not going to be "Jews only" continuing the Sabbath for all eternity, but all flesh Isa 66:22-23. We are saved by grace through faith- Jesus told us to keep the commandments of God John 14:15 Exo 20:6 we need the faith in Jesus and the faith of Jesus- how did He live, what did He teach. Did Jesus ever teach not to keep the Sabbath? Not once. It's all about choices, and we have to have room for faith. God alone wrote His holy commandments, He alone would have to reverse Num 23:20. All of the thus saith the Lords all throughout scripture are for us to keep and not profane. Everyone who profaned, it never worked out well Eze 20:13 Eze 20:21 Eze 22:26 and we are told not to follow the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11. All gets sorted out soon enough and I wish you well.
God's moral law is for everyone-they were never multiple choice, suggestions, or to be edited as if man has more authority than God. Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18
The Sabbath is God's Sabbath, not the Sabbath of the Jews- He calls it in His own Words My holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God Isa 58:13 who are we to profane something God blessed and made holy and said it was all mankind. Isa 56:6 Mat 2:27
Jesus clears up any confusion on who the Sabbath is for when He clearly says its made for human-beings Mark 2:27 He kept it faithfully and is our example to follow Luke 4:16 He condemned those who keep their own rules/traditions in lieu of the commandments of God quoting right from the Ten Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 and warned not to break the least of these commandments or to teach others to break Mat 5:19-30. The apostles kept every Sabbath preaching to both Gentiles and Jews Acts 13:41 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 and its not going to be "Jews only" continuing the Sabbath for all eternity, but all flesh Isa 66:22-23. We are saved by grace through faith- Jesus told us to keep the commandments of God John 14:15 Exo 20:6 we need the faith in Jesus and the faith of Jesus- how did He live, what did He teach. Did Jesus ever teach not to keep the Sabbath? Not once. It's all about choices, and we have to have room for faith. God alone wrote His holy commandments, He alone would have to reverse Num 23:20. All of the thus saith the Lords all throughout scripture are for us to keep and not profane. Everyone who profaned, it never worked out well Eze 20:13 Eze 20:21 Eze 22:26 and we are told not to follow the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11. All gets sorted out soon enough and I wish you well.
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If you did a search in the O.T for sojourner you would find;
Numbers 15:15-16 (KJV): "One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord. One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you."
The Great Commission
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 5:17 (KJV): "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Here, Jesus affirms here that he did not come to abolish or change the commandments (the law and the prophets), but rather to fulfill them. This indicates that the moral and ethical principles contained in the commandments are enduring and will not pass away.
Romans 7:12: "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."
Blessings.
Numbers 15:15-16 (KJV): "One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord. One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you."
The Great Commission
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 5:17 (KJV): "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Here, Jesus affirms here that he did not come to abolish or change the commandments (the law and the prophets), but rather to fulfill them. This indicates that the moral and ethical principles contained in the commandments are enduring and will not pass away.
Romans 7:12: "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."
Blessings.
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I don't disagree with what you have posted. But as long as someone is striving, they haven't found rest.
The children of Israel were under a works covenant. That's why the nation of Israel was destroyed in 70AD. Adam originally was under a works covenant. He also failed. The only One able to fulfill a works covenant was Jesus. EVERYONE who relates to God under a works covenant DIES. EVERYONE who relates to God under the covenant of grace LIVES. That's the choice for one to consider.
The children of Israel were under a works covenant. That's why the nation of Israel was destroyed in 70AD. Adam originally was under a works covenant. He also failed. The only One able to fulfill a works covenant was Jesus. EVERYONE who relates to God under a works covenant DIES. EVERYONE who relates to God under the covenant of grace LIVES. That's the choice for one to consider.
In scripture these commandments and other laws were given to the children of Israel, who were to be distinct from other nations.
If Israel were being Pious Gentiles who lived in the nation should follow the Sabbath and also Gentile convert to join themselves to Israel as proselytes were expected to keep the Sabbath but Jews even today do not expect Gentiles to keep the Sabbath to be righteous before God.
and I totally get why someone looking only at the Old Testament might be confused or take the other position on the issue of whether the Gentile nations are required to rest on the sabbath. But we should defer to the apostles for interpretation on this matter.
They discussed the issue of whether Gentiles should be commanded to be circumcised and obey the law of Moses and they wrote a letter describing some things that can be inferred from the law of Moses that Gentiles should have to follow. Keeping the Sabbath was not on this list.
and Paul takes it a step further in Colossians when he says to let no man judge you in regard to a new moon Sabbaths or holy day.
When you read Exodus 19:15 do you think 'Oh I am not allowed to be with my wife for 3 days.' or do you realize that there is a specific audience in context to that command?
If Israel were being Pious Gentiles who lived in the nation should follow the Sabbath and also Gentile convert to join themselves to Israel as proselytes were expected to keep the Sabbath but Jews even today do not expect Gentiles to keep the Sabbath to be righteous before God.
and I totally get why someone looking only at the Old Testament might be confused or take the other position on the issue of whether the Gentile nations are required to rest on the sabbath. But we should defer to the apostles for interpretation on this matter.
They discussed the issue of whether Gentiles should be commanded to be circumcised and obey the law of Moses and they wrote a letter describing some things that can be inferred from the law of Moses that Gentiles should have to follow. Keeping the Sabbath was not on this list.
and Paul takes it a step further in Colossians when he says to let no man judge you in regard to a new moon Sabbaths or holy day.
When you read Exodus 19:15 do you think 'Oh I am not allowed to be with my wife for 3 days.' or do you realize that there is a specific audience in context to that command?
The apostles kept every Sabbath according to scripture, preaching to both Jews and Gentiles, because Jesus said the Sabbath is made for mankind and for everyone - Paul does not have the authority to undermine God commandments that God personally wrote and spoke, nor does he as he faithfully observes just as Jesus commanded of him and the apostles Mat 28:18-20
Mind you Acts was written decades after the cross, thats a lot of Sabbath keeping.
Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
- Acts 1:12
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
- Acts 13:14
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every Sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
- Acts 13:27
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
- Acts 13:42
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
- Acts 13:44
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
- Acts 15:21
And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
- Acts 16:13
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
- Acts 17:2
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
- Acts 18:4
Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
- Isaiah 56:2
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
- Isaiah 56:6
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
- Isaiah 58:13
Mind you Acts was written decades after the cross, thats a lot of Sabbath keeping.
Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
- Acts 1:12
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
- Acts 13:14
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every Sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
- Acts 13:27
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
- Acts 13:42
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
- Acts 13:44
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
- Acts 15:21
And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
- Acts 16:13
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
- Acts 17:2
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
- Acts 18:4
Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
- Isaiah 56:2
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
- Isaiah 56:6
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
- Isaiah 58:13
Sure. Adam was in covenant with God. The covenant was based on 1 commandment...don't eat. He failed to live up to the terms of the covenant and died. Sometime shortly after that, God introduced a covenant of grace...a promised seed. This covenant was based on faith, not faithfulness...at least on our part.
Jesus is referred to as the second Adam. He also was under a works covenant. Unlike Adam, He fulfilled the law and the world now had a Saviour.
People who relate to God on the basis of the law will inevitably break covenant with God. People under grace cannot break covenant with God because they are relating to God based on their position in Christ. They may lose fellowship and blessing, but not relationship.
Those who see their salvation in accordance with how well they keep commandments always end up dying. Those who place their trust in Christ always live.
Jesus is referred to as the second Adam. He also was under a works covenant. Unlike Adam, He fulfilled the law and the world now had a Saviour.
People who relate to God on the basis of the law will inevitably break covenant with God. People under grace cannot break covenant with God because they are relating to God based on their position in Christ. They may lose fellowship and blessing, but not relationship.
Those who see their salvation in accordance with how well they keep commandments always end up dying. Those who place their trust in Christ always live.
I understand what you refer to now, both covenant of works and Grace as you know are nowhere in scripture. They refer to a perspective where salvation or favor with God is seen as being achieved through human effort or ""obedience to laws and commandments."" This contrasts with a "grace covenant," which emphasizes salvation through God's unmerited favor and forgiveness, often exemplified in Christianity through faith in Jesus Christ.
There is only one of the bible writer that speaks of this, it is Paul, Jesus never hinted at these things quite the contrary.
What caused Adam's death is his disobedience to GOD. of course we are not talking of biting into an apple here but first Eve and Adam listened to Satan and listened to his Lies instead of believing and doing God's will.....
I remember once you told me you followed the commandments, do you still do so or have you changed your mind?
Blessings.
There is only one of the bible writer that speaks of this, it is Paul, Jesus never hinted at these things quite the contrary.
What caused Adam's death is his disobedience to GOD. of course we are not talking of biting into an apple here but first Eve and Adam listened to Satan and listened to his Lies instead of believing and doing God's will.....
I remember once you told me you followed the commandments, do you still do so or have you changed your mind?
Blessings.
There is a principle in scripture of gradualism. That is, over time God has given greater revelation. Nearly all that the Apostle Paul taught can be found in the OT. Messiah is mentioned in Genesis 3. Calling on the name of the Lord is mentioned in Genesis 4. Grace is mentioned in Genesis 6. Faith is evidenced in Genesis 12. The love of God and neighbor are in Deuteronomy, Exodus, and Leviticus. The 10 Commandments themselves are about loving God and loving one's neighbor. Conversion or circumcision of the heart is in Ezekiel and other places.
All these things were merely concealed from many, just as they are still today even with fuller revelation. So God has been revealing more of Himself and His plan of salvation from the beginning. Paul just put it all together more succinctly. And it wasn't actually Paul, but Christ, who gave him the revelation. Scripture is all the words of God.
As far as following the commandments, I walk in the Spirit. Since the Spirit cannot lead one into sin, I live in righteousness. Walking in the Spirit is walking in obedience. It is actually the only means by which one is able to keep every aspect of the law. Would that walking in the Spirit were my permanent estate, but it is not. One day though.
All these things were merely concealed from many, just as they are still today even with fuller revelation. So God has been revealing more of Himself and His plan of salvation from the beginning. Paul just put it all together more succinctly. And it wasn't actually Paul, but Christ, who gave him the revelation. Scripture is all the words of God.
As far as following the commandments, I walk in the Spirit. Since the Spirit cannot lead one into sin, I live in righteousness. Walking in the Spirit is walking in obedience. It is actually the only means by which one is able to keep every aspect of the law. Would that walking in the Spirit were my permanent estate, but it is not. One day though.
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Cameron, I am glad to hear that you walk in the truth revealed to you by the Holy Spirit, you are on the right path, if you are like me you will ,or have already noticed that the Holy Spirit helps us Grow in the faith and that our understanding is increased, it is a truly transformative experience that I wish for everyone
May God bless you Always.
May God bless you Always.
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