How non believers may view Christian's.

[Nufan]

I hate having these conversations? When did I say that?

Anybody who knows me knows I LOVE tying people up in logic knots!

(Actually the only reason I'm still doing this is to see how far you will go. You seem like a person who MUST get the last word, so the more I talk the harder you will try. Now I have to see just have long you will keep trying to get the last word.)

(Yeah I should probably stop now.)

Lol. Well... I mean... I know lots of people who are wrong about lots of things. I just move on and let them be wrong if they are determined to. You asked about our opinions on a dream you had. We gave you our opinion. You thought some of us were wrong about our opinions. That should be the end of...

 

[Nufan]

I hate having these conversations? When did I say that?

Anybody who knows me knows I LOVE tying people up in logic knots!

(Actually the only reason I'm still doing this is to see how far you will go. You seem like a person who MUST get the last word, so the more I talk the harder you will try. Now I have to see just have long you will keep trying to get the last word.)

(Yeah I should probably stop now.)

Yeah I could tell, you're good at it.

 

[PennEd]

How can a church and it's followers, be bigots?

What is your definition of a bigot?

 

[Nufan]

What is your definition of a bigot?

Dictionary definition is a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Considering Christians should be an example, and are united through the Nicene creed, this just makes this behavior even worse.

 

[Lynx]

Lol. Well... I mean... I know lots of people who are wrong about lots of things. I just move on and let them be wrong if they are determined to. You asked about our opinions on a dream you had. We gave you our opinion. You thought some of us were wrong about our opinions. That should be the end of...

Now I am certain you are confusing me with somebody else. I have seen other people ask for opinions about dreams they have had. I have never asked for anybody's opinion here on the forum about any dream I have ever had.

 

[Nufan]

Now I am certain you are confusing me with somebody else. I have seen other people ask for opinions about dreams they have had. I have never asked for anybody's opinion here on the forum about any dream I have ever had.

That's possible. again I'm not trying to throw you under the bus or anything man.I just thought it was kind of funny.

 

[ResidentAlien]

You guys don't even realize when you're getting punked.

 

[Lynx]

You guys don't even realize when you're getting punked.

Shhhh. Sometimes it's more fun to play along. Just enjoy the show.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I just have a quick question for everyone to consider. What is it that unifies the Christian faith? What is it that Christians are doing to impact the world in a positive way. I would also include non trinitarians in this discussion, as well as what many may consider to be cult like Christianity. Such as mormonism.

I personally wouldn't consider them Christians. Not that I couldn't fellowship with them, but I don't include them when considering Christians.

I wanna know what unifies all Christians, followers, and believers in Jesus Christ, regardless of belife or religon.

What unifies all Christians is Jesus, the belief that He is our Savior who shed His blood for our sins. I don't know what you mean by "regardless of belief or religion". That's what Christians believe.

I wanna know how we all can come together to make a positive impact. I also believe that many non-believers want to know the same thing, and want to see this happening within the Christian community. For non believers to consider christianity as a valid example and somthing worthwhile to be part of. Unfortunately, it seems that most people who are Christian, are just focused on their own salvation, and what they believe is right, and coming against what they believe is wrong. I don't believe that this is really a good example of how to be a Christian, and a follower of Jesus Christ.
Could you please shed some light on this for me?

Christians come together in all kinds of ways. School will soon be starting and many local churches will be collecting items to give out to families in need for school. In the middle of winter they will do a coat drive to make sure those in need can stay warm. In the spring they have yard sale style community get togethers so families can clothe their children. Most churches have some form of help for food drive also. On top of that there is missionary work, helping to build orphanages then sending care packages. Helping local women's shelters or pregnant mothers that need help. Soup kitchens in many cities. Then you have the Salvation Army and Franklin Grahams outreach. I live in an area that can see tornadoes devastate towns at times, churches are the first on the scene to aid people with food, clothes and other needs. That's just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.

The unfortunate truth is that a lot of times I am embarrassed to call myself a Christian or to say that I'm a follower Christ, when the example is that Christians can't seem to be unified and disagree amongst themselves. We then claim that, our god is powerful that he's mighty and does great things, but pur god can't unify his people or clear up all the confusion.

People are human, no one is perfect this side of heaven. You'll more unity inside the church than outside of it,that's for sure. No reason to be embarrassed to be a Christian.

When you look at what's going on in the Christian community, typically the impression is the Christian churches are full of gossip, that they are mean and bigoted, and they are hypocritical, demanding that people do what they themselves are not able to do.

Lol reminds me of someone we knew who said to my mother " I don't go to church, there are too many hypocrites there!" She said " Well, you're a hypocrite, and we all tolerate you!" My mother is sweet as pie but she can sting when she needs to. You go to church and focus on God, you'll find everything else will fade away. People use all kinds of excuses not to go to church forgetting they aren't perfect themselves.

I think, as a Christian community, if we were to take our eyes off of ourselves for a moment, and think about how the Christian community is reflecting God, we would then be more focused on making god look good, instead of making ourselves look good. Because really, we are the example that people look to, to determine what kind of God you're trying to convince non believers to follow, and it doesn't seem like it's a God worth following, when you take a look at the example of the followers of this god.

Well then as I said you're not looking in the right places. I admit church people aren't perfect, they never will be this side of heaven. But if you pulled every church out of especially small towns, you would feel the impact. I attend a small country church and it is amazing how many ministries, missions and individuals we support. The Salvation Army alone does so much good for the community. My mother had cancer with a lot of big, big bills. We had a special night to help her and over a thousand dollars was raised by local churches and the community. Helped cover almost every bill she had.

But all this being said, none of this is going to convince people to be a Christian. The Holy Spirit draws people to Christ. It's a heart thing, not a head thing. People don't become believers just because Christians are nice. They become believers when they understand they are a sinner in need of a Savior.

 

[PennEd]

a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief,

But this is exactly what we are.

We believe there is NO other way to Salvation than through the gospel of Jesus Christ's substitutionary death and subsequent resurrection.

EVERY other belief system will lead a person to hell.
We cannot equivocate on that fundamental truth.

Do we squabble? Yup

Should we extol the virtues of Jesus? Yup


But aside from being His children, we remain in these fallen human bodies that we unfortunately yield too often to.

 

[Magenta]

I never realized that I use that word that many times, I would agree it's most likely that I use the word multiple ttimes in one post. In no way am I supporting Roman Catholicism. I bring them up mainly because that word ties to the creed. Also because they were the first christian institution and have some old practices and concepts I believe are essential for ones faith that were lost in protestantism. I understand that you're upset with me and I'm probably your enemy. So really I'm surprised you didn't find worse stuff than that. I have much worse stuff out there. I'll be the first to admit it.

You should stop making assumptions about me.

 

[SonJudgment]

The Roman Catholics and the Orthodox as well as the mainstream Protestant denominations all also contain the 3 essential beliefs of the role of Jesus (Apostle's Creed), the identity of God and nature of the trinity (Athanasian Creed), and belief that the Bible is a divinely inspired document. As such this is what unifies them into one whole religion of Christianity. The differences they have is not really on these three essential beliefs, but are on lesser issues mostly about human authority. The reason the Great Schism occured was about a doctrine called Papal Primacy which has to do with the authority of the Pope (or the bishop of Rome at that time). Likewise the mainstream Protestant groups diverged from the Roman Catholics on more secular issues such as the authority of the king or the matter of indulgences during the Reformation period. The lesser issues, typically about human authority or secular politics of a particular historical period is what gives the denominations their differences, but yet because they all contain the 3 essential beliefs of Christianity they are united in sharing the same overall religion of Christianity and by these 3 beliefs they can be distinguished from a wholly different religion which rejects all 3 beliefs, or from a heretical sect which only would contain 1 or 2 of the beliefs while radically denying the others.