Forgiveness in The kingdom
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This is hilarious.What next? You sure know how to spin the truth, The Lord's Prayer is said by millions of Christians today and has been for centuries. Show us ONE CLAUSE in the Lord's Prayer that is only for Israel.
Hi Nehemiah,
Millions of Christians pray to Mary and have for centuries, so........
The Lord`s Prayer.
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Thy Name. (For all to pray)
Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. (Israel had to pray for God to bring His rule (kingdom) through them in the millennium. For us, Jesus is now ruling in our hearts.)
Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. (We are forgiven (first) and now we forgive others.)
And do not lead us into temptation but deliver us from the evil one. (Satan tries to get rid of Israel, whereas for us we stand against the evil as we are in Christ.)
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. (Amen)
There is a difference here between first forgiveness from Jesus at salvation for our sin, and then the daily walk of forgiving others.
Forgiving others comes out of the love shown us by Jesus in sealing (for those that are converted) us.
It may not happen after we are born again. That doesn't mean we haven't been born again.
What is the context? Daily service or initially being born again?
Forgiving others comes out of the love shown us by Jesus in sealing (for those that are converted) us.
It may not happen after we are born again. That doesn't mean we haven't been born again.
What is the context? Daily service or initially being born again?
You are not only being disrespectful to millions of genuine Christians, but you are deliberately TWISTING the Scriptures to justify you false doctrines. You will be held accountable. Praying to Mary has nothing to do with this subject.
(For all to pray). If that is true it already REFUTES your bizarre ideas.
(Israel had to pray for God to bring His rule (kingdom) through them in the millennium. For us, Jesus is now ruling in our hearts.) That is just nonsensical. It is the Christian saints who will live and reign with Christ as kings and priest in the Millennium, not Israel.
(We are forgiven (first) and now we forgive others.) And you said this applied to the Law and not to Christians! After a person repents, they must forgive first in order to be forgiven.
(Satan tries to get rid of Israel, whereas for us we stand against the evil as we are in Christ.) What a silly conclusion. And the Evil One does not come against every believer to do evil? Do I need to quote all the Scriptures about this? That he goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour? Who are told to stand against the wiles of the devil? who are warned about the snares of the devil? Who are told to resist the devil?
Who do you think has caused you to become so confused about such a plain portion of Scripture? And other Scriptures also.
Where does it say that the Body of Christ is on the earth in the millennium?
So, are you saying that Jesus` sacrifice was not enough, so that it is US who must first forgive before He does?
Read the parable Jesus is asked a question , the LORD is asked and answers
Matthew 18:21-32, 34-35 NIV
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
( Listen to the story and ask how it relates to his kingdom )
“Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go. ( All his debt is cancelled by the king up front because of the mans repentance and the king's mercy.)
“But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded. “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’ “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt.
( Cold blooded huh he's a hypocrite and hasn't learned anything his heart is hard he's selfish even after receiving great mercy he has nine to offer his fellow whom owed far less than he )
When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened. “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to.
In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
( Remember it's already established he cannot pay the debt so it was forgiven up front but now he wouldn't share the mercy and he's recalled and the debt has been re instated now he owes it all and must pay just as he forced the other man to do he have no mercy now he has none )
“This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
Belief is when we listen to him hear what he's saying and accept it begin to think it's the way it is so we start to act upon it as if we believe it's all true . Hearing things like this from Gods own word
Matthew 6:14-15 NIV
For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
If we don't explain to ourselves why this doesn't apply to believers , but accept it as the truth from God our judge . If we have an unforgiving heart towards people and are a believer , our Gods words should have the power to be true and right so we'll come and change towards what his will is which is that we love each other truly , forgiving is part of real love towards another
John 14:23-24 NIV
Jesus replied, “
John 14:23 NIV
[23] Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching.
. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
1 John 5:1-4 NIV
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.
This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.
"After a person repents, they must forgive first in order to be forgiven."
Non believers when they are converted to believers after they hear the gospel , are offered repentance and remission of sins in his name . If they believe they are born anew understanding Jesus suffered and died for thier sins and he rose up again for thier justification somthey can live a new life without sin and without condemnation for hier sins which were remitted . Now that they are a believer in Jesus and have no sin , they can come near to him and hear his words of life and good godly judgement such as " since non if you are perfect and sinless , be merciful tomkne another and when you face judgement for your deeds like all men will you will receive the same abundant mercy multiplied as much as God is greater than man
It's only because of his mercy we can be made alive and have our sins remitted and live a new life in his presence at that point we don't want to reject what he's teaching believers we want to come near and listen to our lord and learn from him as children hear and believe their father teaching them .....our foundation should be what the lord taught believers in him always
He's simply accepting what the lord said about forgiveness and not rejecting it based on his own ideas or what he's been told by others it doesn't upset him that Jesus taught his people to forgive others and walk in those acceptable things of God like mercy towards each other as he gave to us all and has for us .
When I hold something against another person I'm holding it against someone Jesus died to forgive even someone I don't really like much of that annoys me.
Following commands isn't how someone is converted. You are preaching works for salvation. There will be fruit from someone being converted.. but that doesn't mean they WILL always forgive others. God wants them to.. they should.. but He doesn't abandon them because they don't.
I don't usually respond to your posts Pilgrimshope because you have baptism for salvation. You say being 'born again' and 'believing on the Lord Jesus Christ' but you've got baptism as the means of that .. . and NOT pure belief on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Anyway... following commands.. any commands.. doesn't matter what they are are not the VEHICLE for receiving eternal life. They are things we are enabled to do AFTER conversion.. by the Holy Spirit's grace.
The only command for salvation is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the will of the Father at first.
End.
Yea that’s one way to do it . reject the lords word and say I believe therefore I’m saved .
“He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
John 14:21, 23-24 KJV
hard to reject the lords word about things and have faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
He said tbat to those who believed in him.
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
John 14:6-7 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( hesring the truth heals corruption )
and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:21-24 KJV
But your right we’ve gotten away from the truth
“preach the word; ( hardly anyone really agree the word with others we try to force our interpretations instead ) be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:2-4 KJV
someone that holds grudges doesn’t want to hear about how they need to forgive , someone who’s got lustful thou th a about another doesn’t want to hear about adultery of the heart , someone who’s stealing doesn’t want to hear about not stealing ect but this is the very thing that causes repentance to accept those exhortations of the lord
When we can acknolwedge the truth the lord came to preach
“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
If I won’t forgive and I acknolwedge the truth it will bring me to repentance . It’s like this on every area we find things we’re doing wrong and he corrects us through our faith in him and hearing the truth
Forgiveness is amazingly wonderful and sooooo freeing and life giving!!! 
One does need wisdom to not stay and suffer in an abusive life threatening situation but, in regards to normal typical offenses, forgiving is well worth doing!!
I’ve learned to seal my decision to forgive with an act of kindness- a kind word, gift, or prayer for the offender.
I do NOT try to be their best friend, I just simply remove all bitterness, resentment and unforgiveness from my heart towards them.
One does need wisdom to not stay and suffer in an abusive life threatening situation but, in regards to normal typical offenses, forgiving is well worth doing!!
I’ve learned to seal my decision to forgive with an act of kindness- a kind word, gift, or prayer for the offender.
I do NOT try to be their best friend, I just simply remove all bitterness, resentment and unforgiveness from my heart towards them.
‘thank you. Once anyone sees from God Father of the risen Son, Jesus, they are forgiven, by God because of Son’s willing one time sacrifice in his one time death for all. One will start the new life given them from God Father as born again. With new sight given them in Gods’ Spirit and Truth for them. To see past the first born selfishness, first born in. Having compassion in them. learning discernment in this truth given them, for flesh love is not Gods love
1 Cor 13:4-7, 13
what? Lord it is finished, what is done?
John 19:30. John 1:29, Matthew 5:17. Hebrews 1 time to respond Psalm 100:4, 103:12
new life is ready to get installed in them by God for them through the done work of Son, not of self ever. He is risen, new life given
therefore, I see new
today is after the cross, in Son as risen, through Fathers sight, we all are forgiven 1 John 2:1-2. So we can be born again as new in Gods Spirit and Truth, dead to first birth of flesh.
Therefore, I forgive, because I am forgiven
i do not forgive to get forgiven.
hope you get this fact, because after that cross, all are reconciled as forgiven. So forgive, because by God through Son we all are forgiven first., Amazing grace
no more creating or working to get or be better than anyone else. God has no respect of persons, none.
God is doing that presently for we the people to believe God in risen Son for them. 1 Joh 2:1-2. This love given us all in reconciliation changes people, one person at a time. The solution is salvation given to us through risen Son for us
Col: 1:21-23
love of God 1 Cor 13:4-7, overcomes, overcame evil. John 16:33.
Death is abolished, not in flesh, in our souls for us by God to us in risen Son for us, to stand in belief to this truth, no matter whatever troubles come up against us, at least me
i will stand up against the gates of hell. I will not back down, when led by God only
hoping all see this too. In each that claims belief to God Father and Son. Having no amiss belief to get to spend what they want on their own pleasures
Amen, God has not removed the ability to believe in the Gospel, indeed it is the one command to receive the gift of salvation.
a what do you do with the things Jesus the lord and judge of all said about all these things though ? Do we just reject what God said will save and forgive us ? Deny what he said about not forgiving and then tell everyone another story ?
“Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Luke 6:36-
““Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.”
John 5:24 NIV
“There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.””
John 12:48-50 NIV
“Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.”
Luke 9:26 NIV
““You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.””
John 18:37 NIV
“I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.””
Luke 5:32 NIV
Brother when you talk about this
“no more creating or working to get or be better than anyone else. God has no respect of persons, none.”
You are literally teaching the opposite of what that verse is saying
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
for there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:5-11 KJV
God doesn’t show favoritism to any man everyone has to do this
“Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
2 Corinthians 5:9-10
what a Christian wants to do is believe what the judge said will save them that day when they have to do that , remember what he said about that day ?
“There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. “
if we have to be judged by our deeds and we do , we want to have mercy that day so we don’t be condemned
“Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.””
Luke 6:36-38 NIV
that can save us but we are required to believe the lords word about it because
“He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.”
Acts 10:42 NIV
“In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed.
He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.””
Acts 17:30-31 NIV
Right we have to believe the gospel
True
““Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.”
John 5:24 NIV
also true
“There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.””
John 12:48-50 NIV
We can’t believe the gospel as we reject the words of Christ who preached the gospel
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”
Luke 4:18-19 KJV
If we believe the gospel and don’t reject the things he taught in it we’ll be saved without a doubt
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
Mark 1:1 KJV
“And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
Luke 7:37, 47-48, 50
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
John 3:16-17 KJV
“For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 3:34-36 KJV
