Jesus , son of man

Pilgrimshope · Jul 22, 2024

Jesus often refers to himself as “ the son of man “ ever wondered why this is his most often used term of himself ?

“In the beginning God created the heaven

and the earth.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant…..
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5KJV‬‬

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-17KJV‬‬

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
Daniel‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, Upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself. So will not we go back from thee: Quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts, Cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭80:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“ The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: Rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, In the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: Thou hast the dew of thy youth. The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. The Lord at thy right hand Shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

New Testament and the gospel of the kingdom and king tbat was promised in tbe ot law and prophets

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, ( this is a perfect summary of the gospel it fulfills what the prophets said would come in Christ ) saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
‭‭John‬ ‭5:20, 22, 24

“For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18:11‬ ‭

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”

‭‭John‬ ‭6:62-63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:13-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:23-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭14:21‬ ‭

“But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe: Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:67, 69-70‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭14:62‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

mankind was given rule over the earth in the beginning but we corrupted everything then all men were corrupted and none was worthy . God became a man , in order to redeem mankind from this state of apostasy and seperation from God . The sons of men were given the earth so the son of man now rules both heaven and earth

“All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. “

jesus was saying each time that he is the son of man promised in the Old Testament there are a few exemples here but the theme rinse throughout scripture from genesis chapter three forward

God bless

p_rehbein · Jul 22, 2024

Jesus called himself the Son of Man for several reasons1 2 3 4 5:

To communicate that he was the Messiah.
To identify with the people he came to save.
To emphasize his perfect humanity.
To fulfill the Law of Moses.
To indicate his deity as the Son of God.

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Pilgrimshope · Jul 23, 2024

p_rehbein said:

Jesus came to fulfill prophecy prophecy is about the Lord of heaven becoming a man in order to redeem mankind and our part of creation which we doomed

““Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

a Jesus is literally the word of God made flesh his promises manifest. “The son of man “ is the fulfilment of the promised messiah God in the flesh of man.

look at this order of creation

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats before he became a man but look what happened with mankind as the earths ruler

“The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:4-6, KJV‬‬

There’s no one left on earth worthy no man to intercede and save so you have the son of man promised

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-17, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Creation requires man to rule earth so Jesus became a man and afterwards you have this

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember God have earth to man in the beginning , man corrupted everything , in order to complete creation the man had to uphold his end so God became the son of man who was given the earth

“But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”

now both heaven and earth are under the one Gods dominion not because he took dominion from man but because he became a man and holds dominion according to the plan of God for mankknd to inherit the earth

“Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;”
‭‭John‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion …. over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

man has a position in creation we failed and corrupted everything he became a man to restore us

The son of man is the theme of the whole gospel it’s fulfillment of what’s in the ot all the promises for a man child to be born and rule

It even permeates things people can’t understand

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:2, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭

n order to suffer and die for man’s sins Jesus had to be born as a man of flesh and blood the son of man has a clear theme and purpose

Pilgrimshope · Jul 23, 2024

p_rehbein said:

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To fulfill the Law of Moses.

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

right go up and look at the op and all the prophecy about the son of man then realize that’s the main point of the post Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets

the son of man is simple . God promised to send the messiah born of a virgin , he would preach the gospel and be annointed king forever , he would suffer and die for the peoples sins be raised up from death and be caught up into heaven to sit at Gods right hand

it’s the theme of prophecy and the point of the op

fuflilling Moses law speaks to the prophetic elements in it jesus is the fulfilment of prophecy in the law and prophets like when Moses said this , Jesus later came to fulfill it he had to be born the son of man before it could happen

Moses said this in the law a prophecy about the future Deuteronomy 18:18/19

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

(Jesus fuflilled when he preached the everlasting gospel )

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

fuflillment requires a prophecy beforehand

“ thou shalt not kill “ isn’t prophetic and can’t be fulfilled . This can be fulfilled but notice it requires a son of man

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, ( has to be a man of Israel’s brethren to be fuflilled ) like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The point is oroohecy can’t be fulfilled unless Jesus is born the son of man because the prophecy would be fulfilled through a man born of a virgin ect all the law and the prophets foretold of the son of man

Pilgrimshope · Jul 23, 2024

p_rehbein said:

Do you see the value of looking at what ot prophecy said about the son God told them would be born ?

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,

the man Christ Jesus;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”

The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”

“and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him;”

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:

and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”

Do you see the issue ?

“there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: “

God solved the problem . there is now that Jesus , the son of man was born and fulfilled all the prophecy regarding himself.

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, Upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭80:17‬ ‭

“And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭14:62‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:55‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭

The son of man when Jesus says it always relates to what prophecy said about the promised messiah , the son who would be born of mankind .

“The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.”( the son of man )
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44‬ ‭

without the son of man bieng born the gospel which is Old Testament prophecy couldn’t be fulfilled

Im not sure brother you see the point of the post probably because I don’t communicate too great lol

But the son of man prophetic ot line and theme touches everything in the gospel

The son of man is really the culmination of what the ot said all along

“and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The son of Abraham son of David

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abraham received promises of a son David also a king would come from his promises …..but everything required the birth of Jesus the son of man the fulfilment of all of the prophecies about salvation and life in tbe ot come through him. Who was first born of Gods promise

Nehemiah6 · Jul 24, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

Yes. Christ called Himself "the Son of Man" much more than "the Son of God".

There was a good reason for this. The scribes, Pharisees. and lawyers were all acquainted with the prophecy of Daniel. And Daniel is the one who spoke of the Son of Man ("one like the Son of Man") as the one who would establish the Kingdom of God in earth.

DANIEL 7: THE SON OF MAN COMES WITH THE "CLOUDS" OF HEAVEN
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. [Note: the Ancient of Days is God the Father]
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened...
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed...
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

So when Christ was asked if He is the Son of God, here is what He said before His crucifixion: But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Mt 26:63,64)

Nehemiah6 · Jul 24, 2024

The "clouds" mentioned here and in other Scriptures are not the clouds in the sky which give rain. These are "clouds" of saints and angels who will surround Christ at His Second Coming. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7)

Pilgrimshope · Jul 24, 2024

Nehemiah6 said:

Amen , yes daniels vision is part of the theme

But all the prophets and psalms foretold of the son to come later

Daniels vision is a really good example but it really constitutes the Old Testament ot at least is permeated throughout a few exemples

Moses said

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18-19‬ ‭

already this requires a man to be born and raised up by God from among the Israelites. Later he begins to reveal more

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

promise from God that a son of mankind would be born. More is revealed of this son of man promised by God

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭K

Ect eventually we get to daniels vision which is more revelation of this son who would be born ect

“I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure this makes sense to what you were saying but I hope my point came through it’s all part of a long prophecy about Christ the son who would be born and would receive the spirit of God and establish judgement in the earth before he suffered and died for mans sin and was raised up into the heavens to be seated at Gods right hand

a prophecy covers all of it and it all comes in and through the son of man Jesus messiah

even from this point the theme and timeline begins for the promises of the son

“and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s really a consistent theme in prophecy but of course it always is regarding Christ and the gospel

Pilgrimshope · Jul 25, 2024

Nehemiah6 said:

what about in this case ?

“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Nehemiah6 · Jul 25, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

This is more about Christ coming down in bodily form as He ascended in the same way. "A cloud" is not the same as "the clouds of heaven with power and great glory".

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:30)

Pilgrimshope · Jul 25, 2024

Nehemiah6 said:

Yes I was just curious what you thought about that particular set of verses brother

often it depends on the context of what’s being said like in that place the context is literal they are watching him with thier eyes being lifted up until he’s gone into the air and clouds out of thier sight and it’s telling them he’ll return one day in the sight of men also the same way

it’s sort of the context wheras in a prophecy the clouds may be symbolic or representative of other things like the great cloud of witnesses mentioned in Hebrews

Pilgrimshope · Jul 25, 2024

Nehemiah6 said:

“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we see the many times Jesus and Paul and Peter and John all spoke of that day it gives a full picture

“So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:39-41, 43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31, 34, 41, 46‬ ‭

It’s repetetive and each adds some detail for a fuller understanding

“And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:26-27, 32-33‬ ‭

“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:2-4, 6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭16:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9-10‬ ‭

Nehemiah6 · Jul 25, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

If we keep things in their proper context then the Son of Man coming in (or with) the clouds of Heaven is a very distinctive prophecy related to the Second Coming. That phrase is repeated many times. It is also seen here (2 Thess 1:7,8): And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
In Revelation 19 we have all the saints also included. The reason the saints and angles are called "clouds" is because they are all in white raiment and also emanating light.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 25, 2024

Nehemiah6 said:

If we keep things in their proper context then the Son of Man coming in (or with) the clouds of Heaven is a very distinctive prophecy related to the Second Coming. That phrase is repeated many times. It is also seen here (2 Thess 1:7,8): And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
In Revelation 19 we have all the saints also included. The reason the saints and angles are called "clouds" is because they are all in white raiment and also emanating light.

Mhmm many repetetive views of the same day a the end of the world when he returns

Nehemiah6 · Jul 28, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

Does that not tell us that the Second Coming of Christ is extremely important? What is this “power and great glory” mentioned in Matthew 24?

When Jesus came to earth at His first advent it was in meekness and humility as the Lamb of God. That was when He came into the world to save sinners. But at His Second Coming He will come to destroy the enemies of God, Christ, Israel, Christians, and Christianity. As well as the unbelieving, the ungodly and the wicked.

He will wield His absolute divine power and destroy “with the breath (spirit) of His mouth” and “the brightness of His coming”. This is presented to us in these two passages below:

And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day...

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (2 Thess 1:7-10; 2:8)

This is not "the end of the world" but "the end of the age". Many things will happen after that as seen in Revelation 20 & 21 (as well as other passages). "The age" ends with the Second Coming. The world ends with the complete burning up of the earth and atmospheric heavens. Then there is a "New Heavens and a New Earth".

Pilgrimshope · Jul 28, 2024

Nehemiah6 said:

“When Jesus came to earth at His first advent it was in meekness and humility as the Lamb of God. That was when He came into the world to save sinners. But at His Second Coming He will come to destroy the enemies of God, Christ, Israel, Christians, and Christianity. “

right when he returns again it’s with salvation for believers and doom for the rest

“so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; ( the gospel )

and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.”( his return from heaven )
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:28‬ ‭NIV‬‬

those waiting for him that day

“For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭

First he’s going to gather his elect into the air with him because immediately after that

“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is going to return at the end of the world infact his return will end it all just before that in an instant Thisnos going to happen

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-52‬ ‭

that’s how this will happen

the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.”

Its going to happen suddenly in a moment because this is the same day just after he delivers us

“Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. ( our deliverance and change will happen instantly before this and we’ll be caught up into the air )

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? ( it’s meant to exhort us )

You ought to live holy and godly lives But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-4, 8-11, 13‬ ‭NIV‬‬

were waiting for Jesus to return and deliver us and destroy the wicked

There’s just his return at the end of the world it’s repetetively the same in tbe ot and new all of that’s said about his return is going to happen at once

airs what your seeing when you see the throne judgement in revelation the people in the lake of fire are those left in the earth being destroyed with that flaming terrible fire it’s just a vision of all the understanding in the literal books like 2 Peter 3

Jesus often and the ot talked of a furnace of fire where the wicked would be going it’s repetetive the lake of fire on revelation , Paul’s day when he comes with flaming fire taking vengeance , peters day of the lord when everything will be burned up ect

a they are all discussing the same things in thier own words giving more understanding of it like layers

He appeared once to bear sin and will return with salvation and usher in eternity

“At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.” The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:26-28‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Nehemiah6 · Jul 28, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

The two things do not happen at the same time. This "salvation" is actually the culmination of salvation at the Resurrection/Rapture. That takes place at least seven years before the Second Coming.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 29, 2024

Nehemiah6 said:

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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