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ZNP

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Hi @Eli1

You might want to leave the explaining to the poster. Bread was 13¢ a loaf in 1950. By 1960 it had crept up to 22¢/loaf. So, you're going to have to go back a bit further than 1970 to explain how there wasn't any inflation before an event that happened in the 70's. But thanks for your input and just know that changing the standard from hard gold to fiat has nothing to do with inflation. Inflation is a result of wage increases and costs of production. Everybody like a raise once in a while. In my 20 years with Bellsouth it was guaranteed in the workman's contract.

In 1950 SS benefits were $69/month. By 1960 that same benefit was $81.73. Explain to me again how there wasn't any inflation, which any economist will show you is a direct relation to wage and cost increases, before we made some change to our money in 1970.

God bless you,
Ted
to say that "changing the standard from hard gold to fiat has nothing to do with inflation" is very deceptive. That is like saying "walls don't work". Gold has been an incredibly stable measure of value for all of human history. By comparison a fiat currency is not a measure of value and that also is the rule for fiat currencies not the exception.

An ounce of gold as a months wages for someone a thousand years ago, a hundred years ago or today would be considered a very fair and just wage.

Meanwhile in the US $40 for an ounce of gold in the 1970s compared with $2,500 an ounce today shows how absurd it is to use a Fiat currency as a measure of value. The US is not alone, fiat currencies are the joke of human history. Germany, Venezuela, Argentina, Mexico, etc. So no, in and of itself fiat currencies do not equate to inflation. But Fiat currency takes the locks off the currency so that those in power can rob people blind by simply printing money and that is what they will always do. No exceptions.
 
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I have not had any trouble sleeping at all. I make sure I have a steady diet of the word of God and I get filled with faith that the Lord is fully in charge, this is the accomplishment of His plan and God desires all men to be saved. For some it requires that they lose everything first, and so God being merciful, that is what will happen.
The first book I read at their deaths was Job .
 

cv5

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Hey @cv5

I'm just dying to hear your explanation of that.
Glad you asked.....
I am sure that Kammy the commie could care less about Constitutional money. Or any other matter related to the Constitution or Bill of Rights for that matter. Anything goes is how these communists roll.

BTW....you are supposedly American and know nothing of Constitutional money and are perfectly willing to aid and abet communists like Kammy the commie? Shameful.

The Constitution’s Seven Money Clauses
They protect liberty and prosperity — when we follow them.
Seven clauses of the United States Constitution touch on questions that might be described as relating to monetary policy.
Properly interpreted, these seven clauses together form a system of rules that strongly protects economic prosperity and political liberty.
Four of the clauses include the word ‘money,’ three the word ‘coin,’ and two the word ‘dollars.’ /1
Below is the text of each of the clauses, followed by some definitions and comments. I’ve modernized the punctuation for readability.
The Seven Money Clauses
  1. Congress shall have power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. ~ Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 2.
  2. Congress shall have power to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures. ~ Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 5.
  3. Congress shall have power to provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States. ~ Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 6.
  4. No money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law. ~ Art. I, sec. 9, cl. 7.
  5. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person. ~ Art. I, sec. 9, cl. 1.
  6. No state shall coin money, emit bills of credit, or make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts. ~ Art. I, sec. 10, cl. 1.
  7. In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved. ~ Amdt. VII.
The Constitution’s Five Monetary Rules
Read in conjunction with the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, and the obligation-of-contracts clause (Art. I, sec. 10, cl. 1), we can identify five monetary policies that are constitutionally requisite in the United States:
  1. The basic unit is the dollar, a silver coin containing 371.25 grains of pure silver.
  2. Only gold or silver coins and currency (specie-backed banknotes) can be legal tender.
  3. No state may issue coins or currency.
  4. No one may counterfeit U.S. Government-issued coins or currency.
  5. Fiat money notes (‘bills of credit’) are forbidden.
The remainder of this article defines some of the foregoing terms, and explains how we get to the five rules.

Definition: ‘Dollar’
The Constitution makes the ‘dollar’ the basic unit of account for the republic. It does not explicitly define the dollar. Why? Because no definition was necessary. Everyone at the time knew what a dollar was. It was a silver coin of a fixed weight and fineness, the most popular edition of which was the Spanish milled dollar. That popular coin, remembered today as ‘pieces of eight,’ contained on average 371.25 grains of pure silver or 416 grains of standard silver. ‘Standard silver’ is pure silver mixed with other metals, such as nickel or copper, for added durability. /5

Prior to the Coinage Act of 1792, also called the Mint Act, the Spanish dollar was basically the only ‘dollar’ Americans knew. The U.S. government did not mint its own version of the coin until after the ratification of the Constitution (1788) and the Bill of Rights (1791).

In the Coinage Act, Congress codified the existing, universally understood definition of ‘dollar’:
DOLLARS OR UNITS — each to be of the value of a Spanish milled dollar as the same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one grains and four sixteenth parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred and sixteen grains of standard silver.
 

cv5

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Hi @cv5

And being a follower of Jesus you believe that he also would have been disrespectful in calling people's names.

Got it!

Of course, I must have missed the turn back there where you post about inflation, but that's really not the point.

God it!

God bless you,
Ted
Cry me a river buddy.

Kamalatov is a fitting moniker for......who and what she really is.

Just like this moniker:

Jhn 1:42
And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
 

ZNP

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Cry me a river buddy.

Kamalatov is a fitting moniker for......who and what she really is.

Just like this moniker:

Jhn 1:42
And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
Yep just like the deplorables, the irredeemables, the one following the bad orange man to be domestic terrorists to make up insulting names concerning our esteemed political leaders.
 
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to say that "changing the standard from hard gold to fiat has nothing to do with inflation" is very deceptive. That is like saying "walls don't work".

So no, in and of itself fiat currencies do not equate to inflation. But Fiat currency takes the locks off the currency so that those in power can rob people blind by simply printing money and that is what they will always do. No exceptions.
Hi @ZNP

I appreciate that you now agree with me that fiat currencies do not equate to inflation.

Have a great day and God bless you.
Ted
 

cv5

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Hey @cv5

I'm just dying to hear your explanation of that.
And just in case you missed the glaringly obvious point of using gold and silver as currency:

The prevailing government cannot conjure up infinite amounts of it with a keystroke.
Like they do with US debt notes. Yes, they can and will print until the fiat "dollar" is toast.


Remarks by Governor Ben S. Bernanke
Before the National Economists Club, Washington, D.C.
November 21, 2002


"What has this got to do with monetary policy? Like gold, U.S. dollars have value only to the extent that they are strictly limited in supply. But the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation.

-Ben Bernanke,
 
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BTW....you are supposedly American and know nothing of Constitutional money and are perfectly willing to aid and abet communists like Kammy the commie? Shameful.
Hi @cv5

You know that's just meanness talking. No, I don't bother myself with studying things as archaic an issue as what the world was like under some idea of 'constitutional money'. And how in the world any of that has anything to do with VP Harris being aligned with some communist agenda.

No. I don't see it.
 

cv5

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I do think inflation can occur even under the gold standard, although more rare under the expansion of gold supply.
Which of course is inelastic and can only grow with very hard limits.

You can only dig so deep......
 

cv5

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I do think inflation can occur even under the gold standard, although more rare under the expansion of gold supply.
That happened only a few times in history:

When Mansa Musa gave away vast amounts of gold in the 1300's.
And when Spain discovered huge silver deposits in the new world in the late 1500's and 1600's.

And the effects were NOTHING compared to the devaluation of the USD.
 

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Hi @Eli1

You might want to leave the explaining to the poster. Bread was 13¢ a loaf in 1950. By 1960 it had crept up to 22¢/loaf. So, you're going to have to go back a bit further than 1970 to explain how there wasn't any inflation before an event that happened in the 70's. But thanks for your input and just know that changing the standard from hard gold to fiat has nothing to do with inflation. Inflation is a result of wage increases and costs of production. Everybody like a raise once in a while. In my 20 years with Bellsouth it was guaranteed in the workman's contract.

In 1950 SS benefits were $69/month. By 1960 that same benefit was $81.73. Explain to me again how there wasn't any inflation, which any economist will show you is a direct relation to wage and cost increases, before we made some change to our money in 1970.

God bless you,
Ted
I actually do factor-in that inflation happens with gold-backed currency but i'm not sure you seem to acknowledge how fast the rate of inflation happens with FIAT currency.
For example my grandfather had land before world war 1 which cost 10 dollars.
By 1985 before the end of the cold war, this land cost about 75 dollars. So we have about a 60% inflation over the course of 80 years.

But, an apartment bought in 1995 which cost 10,000 dollars is now 150,000 dollars. So, this is a 140% increase in inflation during the course of 30 years.
Like i said, i am not a financial analyst, but i am able to see when things trend fast or they trend slow.
 

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Which of course is inelastic and can only grow with very hard limits.

You can only dig so deep......
Yes tis true!!
But there have been instances like in 16th century Spain where their economy was flooded with gold and gold did not have the purchasing power because there was more gold than products and services.

If it would end the war machine I would be in favor of a gold standard.
The money supply should have been managed better, just to easy to rely on debt to finance everything. sigh
 

cv5

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Yeah, that's kind of why I said it.
The Bible NEVER says ignorance is bliss. Never.
What God DOES say is "be not deceived".

Which you most certainly are. By Kamalatov of all people. Ridiculous.
 
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BTW....you are supposedly American and know nothing of Constitutional money and are perfectly willing to aid and abet communists like Kammy the commie? Shameful.
Hi @cv5

Thanks for a good laugh. I'm still chuckling that there are people in this world who believe that we aren't really citizens of our country if we don't know how currency has been exchanged throughout the history of said nation. It's really never been anything that concerns me. But I don't think I've ever had anyone question my citizenship because I don't know the financial history of our nation.