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[Rufus]

That was not the point. the point was the capability of obeying the Law. And here is just one example where Josiah obeyed the Law perfectly:

2 KINGS 22,23: KING JOSIAH IS YOUR EXAMPLE
1 Josiah was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty and one years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Jedidah, the daughter of Adaiah of Boscath.
2 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, and walked in all the way of David his father, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left...
13 Go ye, enquire of the LORD for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found: for great is the wrath of the LORD that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us...

18 But to the king of Judah which sent you to enquire of the LORD, thus shall ye say to him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, As touching the words which thou hast heard;
19 Because thine heart was tender, and thou hast humbled thyself before the LORD, when thou heardest what I spake against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, that they should become a desolation and a curse, and hast rent thy clothes, and wept before me; I also have heard thee, saith the LORD.
20 Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place...

23:3 And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

Which means that you will now have to seriously REVISE your theology. Let's hope you do that instead of doubling down in error.

No, it means that you need to reconcile numerous contradictions in the bible that contradict that passage. You just made God out to be a liar! This is so typical of purveyors of false gospels. You post stuff that you think proves your point and just pretend a whole slew of contradictory passages aren't in the bible.

 

[Rufus]

Why do you kick so hard against the clear teachings of the Scriptures?

It's easy to do when someone willfully ignores the context of a passage. Did you happen to notice to whom "sinless" Josiah was being compared to in 2Ki 22:2?

 

[Lamar]

No, it means that you need to reconcile numerous contradictions in the bible that contradict that passage. You just made God out to be a liar! This is so typical of purveyors of false gospels. You post stuff that you think proves your point and just pretend a whole slew of contradictory passages aren't in the bible.

You seem to be missing the point of what Nehemiah6 is attempting to make.

He is simply stating that mankind can strive to obey God. This is after all our purpose/duty in life.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
New International Version
13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the duty of all mankind. 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.

 

[Rufus]

You seem to be missing the point of what Nehemiah6 is attempting to make.

He is simply stating that mankind can strive to obey God. This is after all our purpose/duty in life.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
New International Version
13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the duty of all mankind. 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.

But that's not what he said in his post in an answer to my specific biblical proposition that man cannot not sin. He unabashedly and unequivocally and unmistakably proclaimed that king Josiah obeyed God's law perfectly. IOW, Josiah was a sinless human being.

That was not the point. the point was the capability of obeying the Law. And here is just one example where Josiah obeyed the Law perfectly:

All world religions strive to obey whatever their concept of God is; for all of them are works-based, save for biblical Christianity.

 

[Magenta]

Acts 15:10-11

 

[Magenta]

Isaiah 42:16 ~ I will lead the blind by a way they did not know; I will guide them on unfamiliar paths. I will turn darkness into light before them and rough places into level ground. These things I will do for them, and I will not forsake them.

 

[Magenta]

You seem to be missing the point of what Nehemiah6 is attempting to make.

He is simply stating that mankind can strive to obey God. This is after all our purpose/duty in life.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
New International Version
13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the duty of all mankind. 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.

What I read is NOT try (or strive) to keep the commandments. Where do you get that from???????
It seems you cannot read plain English. It clearly says to KEEP His commandments. Peter says none
could... calling the law a yoke that none could bear. Perhaps you fail to understand that also.
It goes along with there being none righteous. Squeeze those glutes harder.

 

[awelight]

It's easy to do when someone willfully ignores the context of a passage. Did you happen to notice to whom "sinless" Josiah was being compared to in 2Ki 22:2?

Sinless Josiah???? I don't think I am following your question. What gives you the idea that Josiah was sinless, unless you were being rhetorical.

No, it means that you need to reconcile numerous contradictions in the bible that contradict that passage. You just made God out to be a liar! This is so typical of purveyors of false gospels. You post stuff that you think proves your point and just pretend a whole slew of contradictory passages aren't in the bible.

Sir, I would suggest to you, in all kindness, that there is NO CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE.

Seeming contradictions are only in the mind of people, thus prompting every believer to study and pray more, in the hope that the Lord shall reveal the Truth to the one confused.

I hope you take this in the spirit it was given.

 

[Rufus]

Sinless Josiah???? I don't think I am following your question. What gives you the idea that Josiah was sinless, unless you were being rhetorical.


Sir, I would suggest to you, in all kindness, that there is NO CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE.

Seeming contradictions are only in the mind of people, thus prompting every believer to study and pray more, in the hope that the Lord shall reveal the Truth to the one confused.

I hope you take this in the spirit it was given.

This is what a poster wrote very recently about king Josiah:

That was not the point. the point was the capability of obeying the Law. And here is just one example where Josiah obeyed the Law perfectly:

So...if Josiah did obey the law perfectly (like Jesus did), wouldn't that make him sinless?

The poster's gross misunderstanding of 2 Ki 32 and 33 re Josiah certainly present serious contradictions in scripture, since scripture says that all men are sinners. So...I asked the poster to address this problem, which of course he did not. I know there are no contradictions in scripture, and that the Law of Noncontradiction is one of the major acid tests for testing anyone's interpretation of any given passage.

 

[Lamar]

IOW, Josiah was a sinless human being.

Don't be absurd! Nehemiah6 is not claiming King Josiah was sinless!

Nehemiah6 is simply quoting the following:

Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. His mother’s name was Jedidah daughter of Adaiah; she was from Bozkath. 2 He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord and followed completely the ways of his father David, not turning aside to the right or to the left.

Nehemiah6 never uses the verbiage or implies that King Josiah was a sinless human being. You are simply misquoting him.

Nor is he implying that the Bible contradicts itself. Nor is he calling God a liar.

 

[Rufus]

Don't be absurd! Nehemiah6 is not claiming King Josiah was sinless!

Nehemiah6 is simply quoting the following:

Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. His mother’s name was Jedidah daughter of Adaiah; she was from Bozkath. 2 He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord and followed completely the ways of his father David, not turning aside to the right or to the left.

Nehemiah6 never uses the verbiage or implies that King Josiah was a sinless human being. You are simply misquoting him.

Nor is he implying that the Bible contradicts itself. Nor is he calling God a liar.

Really? Nehemiah said Josiah "obeyed the law perfectly". You're lying when you say I misquoted him. That's what HE said. So now you're saying that someone who obeys the law perfectly is not sinless? Then pray tell, how would you classify someone who has obeyed the law perfectly? Did Jesus obey the law perfectly? Was Jesus sinless or not? If not, how would you classify Jesus?

And yes, if Josiah obeyed the law of God perfectly, then that would contradict numerous scriptures; for only the Son of David did that! Evidently Nehemiah must also think that king David obeyed the law perfectly since Josiah is clearly compared to his father David. Don't blame me if your buddy is hopelessy confused.

 

[Lamar]

What I read is NOT try (or strive) to keep the commandments. Where do you get that from???????
It seems you cannot read plain English. It clearly says to KEEP His commandments. Peter says none
could... calling the law a yoke that none could bear. Perhaps you fail to understand that also.
It goes along with there being none righteous. Squeeze those glutes harder.

Who are you, Yoda?

There is no "do" without "try".

Luke 12:58 New International Version
As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled on the way, or your adversary may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison.

1st Cor. 14:12 New International Version
So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.

Ephesians 5:10 New Revised Standard Version
Try to find out what is pleasing to the Lord.

etc.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

I know some who believe much of the reformed faith, but who still have doubts concerning their salvation.

The "reformed FAITH" isn't a "FAITH" at all - it's only a "THEOLOGICAL SYSTEMATIC".

"Theology" can't make anybody "Secure", since it's nothing but intellectual assent to a bunch of controversial concepts/ interpretations.

FAITH, grounded in a living relationship with God through the Holy Spirit is where SECURITY comes from. No place else.

 

[Magenta]

Who are you, Yoda?

There is no "do" without "try".

Luke 12:58 New International Version
As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled on the way, or your adversary may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison.

1st Cor. 14:12 New International Version
So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.

Ephesians 5:10 New Revised Standard Version
Try to find out what is pleasing to the Lord.

etc.

Got any more deflections, grasshopper? How trying your life must be! I hope you are able to find rest in our Lord. Allow h
Him to work through you as He promised to, and you may not have to try so hard.

 

[Lamar]

Really? Nehemiah said Josiah "obeyed the law perfectly". You're lying when you say I misquoted him. That's what HE said. So now you're saying that someone who obeys the law perfectly is not sinless? Then pray tell, how would you classify someone who has obeyed the law perfectly? Did Jesus obey the law perfectly? Was Jesus sinless or not? If not, how would you classify Jesus?

And yes, if Josiah obeyed the law of God perfectly, then that would contradict numerous scriptures; for only the Son of David did that! Evidently Nehemiah must also think that king David obeyed the law perfectly since Josiah is clearly compared to his father David. Don't blame me if your buddy is hopelessy confused.

Nehemiah6 is simply quoting the scripture, nothing more.

Here is the verse:

2 Kings 22:2 New International Version
2 He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord and followed completely the ways of his father David, not turning aside to the right or to the left.

2 Kings 22:2 Common English Bible
2 He did what was right in the Lord’s eyes, and walked in the ways of his ancestor David—not deviating from it even a bit to the right or left.

It is the scriptures that "classify" King Josiah as prefect in what God had commanded him to obey.

Now present the quote where Nehemiah6 states that King Josiah was sinless?

 

[Lamar]

Got any more deflections, grasshopper? How trying your life must be! I hope you are able to find rest in our Lord. Allow h
Him to work through you as He promised to, and you may not have to try so hard.

Deflections? In what way are they deflections?

 

[Cameron143]

The "reformed FAITH" isn't a "FAITH" at all - it's only a "THEOLOGICAL SYSTEMATIC".

"Theology" can't make anybody "Secure", since it's nothing but intellectual assent to a bunch of controversial concepts/ interpretations.

FAITH, grounded in a living relationship with God through the Holy Spirit is where SECURITY comes from. No place else.

It's a fair point. I was simply making use of language to facilitate communication.

 

[Cameron143]

Got any more deflections, grasshopper? How trying your life must be! I hope you are able to find rest in our Lord. Allow h
Him to work through you as He promised to, and you may not have to try so hard.

Wouldn't Yoda say Padawan, and not grasshopper? Is this a new use of the force you are unveiling?

 

[Magenta]

Wouldn't Yoda say Padawan, and not grasshopper? Is this a new use of the force you are unveiling?

It may simply be a matter of not being a fan of Star Wars... Whereas I rarely missed a showing of David Carradine's Kung Fu. Still, I do recognize that the force is strong with you, my friend...

 

[Magenta]

Deflections? In what way are they deflections?

They are deflections because you refused to acknowledge the truth of what I said.