Total Depravity

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PaulThomson

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Cameron143 said:
And father's can give good gifts, but they don't do so to glorify God, but themselves.

Suppose I was poor growing up and got meager presents for my birthday. Now suppose I have children of my own, and on their birthdays I make sure they get a plethora of gifts. Who did I do that for? I did it for myself and how it makes me feel. The gifts themselves are good, but the motivation behind them is not. Thus, the giving doesn't reflect anything good in me.
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Well, ypu said that apparently self-centred acts were evidence for inherited sinfulness, but you don't seem to make the same claim re apparent good unselfish acts. There seems to be some conformation bias at work there. And you are quick to read sinful motivations into apparently unselfish act but reluctant to allow that potentially unselfish acts could be unselfish.So, confirmation bias again, it seems.

I'm just warning against using the logical fallacy of hasty conclusions.
 
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Cameron143

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PaulThomson said:
Well, ypu said that apparently self-centred acts were evidence for inherited sinfulness, but you don't seem to make the same claim re apparent good unselfish acts. There seems to be some conformation bias at work there. And you are quick to read sinful motivations into apparently unselfish act but reluctant to allow that potentially unselfish acts could be unselfish.So, confirmation bias again, it seems.

I'm just warning against using the logical fallacy of hasty conclusions.
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One can do something good for selfish reasons. Since in the flesh dwells no good thing, before salvation all acts are selfish no matter how altruistic they may seem.

The problem with unregenerate man isn't that he doesn't know good and evil, but how to perform it he knows not.
 
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Cameron143 said:
One can do something good for selfish reasons. Since in the flesh dwells no good
thing, before salvation all acts are selfish no matter how altruistic they may seem.

The problem with unregenerate man isn't that he doesn't
know good and evil, but how to perform it he knows not.
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Plain as day in black and white but they refuse to open their eyes to see it.
 
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Magenta

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Biblical truth concerning the natural man.
Thank you for the inspiration .:)
 
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