In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

[cv5]

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My Exodus date is 2553 from creation
Add 480 years =3033 to the 4th year of Solomon's reign
Everyone seems to agree King David was reigning 1000BC--My outlook is within that time frame with any studies done on King David

Well, I do know what I am talking about

CV5--I can tell you have never studied this yourself

By your calculations:
1) what is the date of the end of the flood from creation?
2) what is the date of the birth of Abraham from creation?

I have literally THOUSANDS of hours of study into these chronologies.
The bottom line is that we really only have the birth of Abraham as an infallible date.
Which frankly makes perfect sense given that he is father of all those who believe.

Interestingly, if in fact you SUM the ages of the Genesis patriarchs using the LXX, you get a date of creation of about 10,000 BC.
Which is probably enough "time" to account for all geological and historical phenomenon. Maybe. But maybe not. Maybe creation is even EARLIER THAN THAT.

Because there may be "gaps" in these OT genealogies, which commonly occur EVERYWHERE in the Scriptures including the record of the genealogies of Christ in the gospels. You don't believe me you had better verify this fact for yourself.

Not only that, there is a VERY STRONG case to support the "gap theory" of Genesis 1:2.
Why? Because of course Satan fell BEFORE the garden and before Adam was created.
It is VERY likely that Genesis 1:2 refers to a great judgment ("darkness") and a "re-creation" where "darkness" was "divided"....but not destroyed. Which will happen later. No more darkness, a new heaven and new earth.

 

[cv5]

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My Exodus date is 2553 from creation
Add 480 years =3033 to the 4th year of Solomon's reign
Everyone seems to agree King David was reigning 1000BC--My outlook is within that time frame with any studies done on King David

Well, I do know what I am talking about

CV5--I can tell you have never studied this yourself

No need to despair brother. This is an EXTREMELY difficult study.
I myself am barely packing the gear to be able dig into it and make some
kind of sense of it.

I would not worry too much about it. Our future in Christ is not in doubt.
Thats all that really matters.

 

[Omegatime]

No need to despair brother. This is an EXTREMELY difficult study.
I myself am barely packing the gear to be able dig into it and make some
kind of sense of it.

I would not worry too much about it. Our future in Christ is not in doubt.
Thats all that really matters.

My calling to understand

 

[CS1]

I can tell you for your the word is 58 years old that much I know.

 

[Omegatime]

I can tell you for your the word is 58 years old that much I know.

Lost me ???????????????????????????????????????

 

[cv5]

My calling to understand

Let keep chipping away at it. Thanks brother.

 

[CS1]

Lost me ???????????????????????????????????????

I am 58 years old I can tell you that the earth is that old for sure

 

[Lafftur]

That's true. But the age of the earth has been determined through the chronology of the Old Testament, which is based upon the genealogies which are in the Bible (as well as other historical dates). On that basis the earth is about 6,000 years old. The earth did not exist before then and this is shown in the Ten Commandments: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exod 20:11). This is confirmed in Hebrews 11:3: Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. In other words, nothing existed before creation, when God spoke and created all things (except Adam).

NO, the Earth is VERY OLD…. The Earth has existed BEFORE Adam & Eve because God told Adam & Eve to REplenish the Earth which means…. other God made beings were on planet Earth BEFORE Adam & Eve were created.


So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen.1.27,Gen.1.28&version=KJV

 

[Lafftur]

All of us and Adam & Eve are Plan B.

God wants a FAMILY… and God can keep trying plan after plan till He gets His Family.

I hope God doesn’t have to go to Plan C….

 

[cv5]

God made beings were on planet Earth BEFORE Adam & Eve were created.

Agree. Evidently Satan was king of the former earth.
Satan was dethroned because of his fall.
Consequently Satan's saw the new king of the new creation Adam as an usurper/rival.
It is very likely that Satan had attacked Adam on numerous occasions......and failed every time.
So Satan attacked the Woman via the same deception he earlier used on the fallen Angels and suceeded.

In a gambit to save the Woman, Adam ate the fruit even though he was not deceived....1 Tim 2:14.

The factal account of Genesis 3 is tragically lost on most of the Church today.

 

[Omegatime]

I am 58 years old I can tell you that the earth is that old for sure

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You are a pup compared to me

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Earth has existed BEFORE Adam & Eve because God told Adam & Eve to Replenish the Earth[/QUOTE] Do you actually know what that Hebrew word mala (pronounced maw-lay )means in the Hebrew text? Here is what it means, and it certainly cannot be interpreted as you have done.

1. to fill, be full
   1. (Qal)
      1. to be full
         1. fulness, abundance (participle)
         2. to be full, be accomplished, be ended
      2. to consecrate, fill the hand
   2. (Niphal)
      1. to be filled, be armed, be satisfied
      2. to be accomplished, be ended
   3. (Piel)
      1. to fill
      2. to satisfy
      3. to fulfil, accomplish, complete
      4. to confirm
   4. (Pual) to be filled
   5. (Hithpael) to mass themselves against

As you can see, it cannot be misinterpreted. So kindly revise you understanding of Genesis. God wanted the earth to e filled with human beings descended from Adam and Eve, and that is what we see today. Billions on this planet, but that does not mean it is "overpopulated".

 

[Nehemiah6]

Evidently Satan was king of the former earth.

More fantasy. The Bible says that he was in Heaven until he was cast down. Not be become a king but an Adversary.

 

[Clayman]

Agree. Evidently Satan was king of the former earth.
Satan was dethroned because of his fall.
Consequently Satan's saw the new king of the new creation Adam as an usurper/rival.
It is very likely that Satan had attacked Adam on numerous occasions......and failed every time.
So Satan attacked the Woman via the same deception he earlier used on the fallen Angels and suceeded.

In a gambit to save the Woman, Adam ate the fruit even though he was not deceived....1 Tim 2:14.

The factal account of Genesis 3 is tragically lost on most of the Church today.

In a gambit to save the Woman, Adam ate the fruit even though he was not deceived....1 Tim 2:14.

To save the woman from what? There was still no curse, no death, and most importantly no sin is yet committed!

What is sin?

I ask because believe it or not people do not seem to grasp the simple meaning of sin.

Which is disobedience to God's Word!!

If God instructs you not to kill someone then it is a sin to kill someone, If God instructs you to kill someone then it's a sin not to kill someone.

I'm just stating the obvious as you'd be surprised by how many people would answer the act of killing someone is a sin.

So all I'm saying is if God told me to go to Israel and I don't go to Israel its a sin, and at the same time if God didn't give you any instruction to go to Israel, then go or stay it doesnt matter for you are under liberty and are not sinning!

Same with Eve she wasn't under any command, Adam was therefore Eve did not sin, when she saw Adam sin then her eyes became open not before.

This also lines up with scripture.

As sin entered the world through Adams disobedience, not Eves, not Satan's but Adams for he was the first to disobey God.

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

 

[NightTwister]

I can tell you for your the word is 58 years old that much I know.

Trust me, it's at least 65 years old.

 

[Cameron143]

To save the woman from what? There was still no curse, no death, and most importantly no sin is yet committed!

What is sin?

I ask because believe it or not people do not seem to grasp the simple meaning of sin.

Which is disobedience to God's Word!!

If God instructs you not to kill someone then it is a sin to kill someone, If God instructs you to kill someone then it's a sin not to kill someone.

I'm just stating the obvious as you'd be surprised by how many people would answer the act of killing someone is a sin.

So all I'm saying is if God told me to go to Israel and I don't go to Israel its a sin, and at the same time if God didn't give you any instruction to go to Israel, then go or stay it doesnt matter for you are under liberty and are not sinning!

Same with Eve she wasn't under any command, Adam was therefore Eve did not sin, when she saw Adam sin then her eyes became open not before.

This also lines up with scripture.

As sin entered the world through Adams disobedience, not Eves, not Satan's but Adams for he was the first to disobey God.

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

Adam didn't commit the first sin. Both Satan and Eve sinned before he did. But neither Satan or Eve represented the human race. Only Adam and Christ have ever represented humanity before God. And this is why God laid sin to Adam's account.

 

[Clayman]

Adam didn't commit the first sin. Both Satan and Eve sinned before he did. But neither Satan or Eve represented the human race. Only Adam and Christ have ever represented humanity before God. And this is why God laid sin to Adam's account.

Ill word it another way, sin is a transgression of the law which is disobedience to God.
There was only one law or commandment given and it was only given to Adam, God told Adam not to eat of the tree.
If a monkey ate the fruit, no disobedience, if a bird ate the fruit no sin, if Eve ate the fruit no disobedience although she knew Adam was told not to eat of it she saw no ill effects from eating of it herself.

Once Adam ate of the tree, then their eyes were opened, not before, once she saw that Adam could disobey Gods command then the knowledge of being able to do wrong has now occurred to her and Adam. Eve did not point at Adam and see Adam as naked until after he ate the fruit,

Only once Adam disobeyed they became able to sin. Does scripture support this?

Yes, for it does not say death entered the world through one angels sin
Yes! for it does not say sin entered the world through the woman's disobedience
or through both their disobedience but specifically through Adams disobedience.

Rom 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

The only people I know that don't want Adam to be the first to sin, are people that have their own special theology or a bias they bring into the equation, for example if evolution is true and trees and death and decay has existed for millions of years, then sin was already in the world!!

 

[cv5]

To save the woman from what? There was still no curse, no death, and most importantly no sin is yet committed!

What is sin?

I ask because believe it or not people do not seem to grasp the simple meaning of sin.

Which is disobedience to God's Word!!

If God instructs you not to kill someone then it is a sin to kill someone, If God instructs you to kill someone then it's a sin not to kill someone.

I'm just stating the obvious as you'd be surprised by how many people would answer the act of killing someone is a sin.

So all I'm saying is if God told me to go to Israel and I don't go to Israel its a sin, and at the same time if God didn't give you any instruction to go to Israel, then go or stay it doesnt matter for you are under liberty and are not sinning!

Same with Eve she wasn't under any command, Adam was therefore Eve did not sin, when she saw Adam sin then her eyes became open not before.

This also lines up with scripture.

As sin entered the world through Adams disobedience, not Eves, not Satan's but Adams for he was the first to disobey God.

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

There you go buddy. Maybe you will be able to comprehend Genesis 3, maybe not. Few do. But I do. Lucky me.

Adam And Eve... What really happened?

1st Adam vs. The 2nd Adam. They're more alike than you might think

Adam, Eve & Satan. Do you really think you know this story?

Deep Teaching On Adam & Eve. This is the stuff you're not supposed to hear

Did Adam Blame Eve? It's not what you may have thought

Eve Is Dying Right In Front of Adam. If you were Adam, what would you do?

 

[Cameron143]

Ill word it another way, sin is a transgression of the law which is disobedience to God.
There was only one law or commandment given and it was only given to Adam, God told Adam not to eat of the tree.
If a monkey ate the fruit, no disobedience, if a bird ate the fruit no sin, if Eve ate the fruit no disobedience although she knew Adam was told not to eat of it she saw no ill effects from eating of it herself.

Once Adam ate of the tree, then their eyes were opened, not before, once she saw that Adam could disobey Gods command then the knowledge of being able to do wrong has now occurred to her and Adam. Eve did not point at Adam and see Adam as naked until after he ate the fruit,

Only once Adam disobeyed they became able to sin. Does scripture support this?

Yes, for it does not say death entered the world through one angels sin
Yes! for it does not say sin entered the world through the woman's disobedience
or through both their disobedience but specifically through Adams disobedience.

Rom 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

The only people I know that don't want Adam to be the first to sin, are people that have their own special theology or a bias they bring into the equation, for example if evolution is true and trees and death and decay has existed for millions of years, then sin was already in the world!!

I see. Your argument is against evolution and the effects of sin coming before Adam's transgression. I would agree.

Do you think Eve would have died if Adam had not transgressed?

 

[cv5]

I see. Your argument is against evolution and the effects of sin coming before Adam's transgression. I would agree.

Do you think Eve would have died if Adam had not transgressed?

The Woman WAS dying.....and Adam WAS painfully aware of this.
THEREFORE Adam ate the fruit to be with the woman (become a sinner!) that GOD GAVE HIM.

Which of course is why Adam is later honored as being a type of Christ.

Likewise, Christ, being in agonies seeing His Bride suffering and dying, BECAME SIN FOR US (the Bride that God gave Him!) so that we might live.

Get the picture?