The Gospel of Christ, and political extremism, a challenge facing our nation right now (please read to the end)

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It is deeply disturbing to me to have witnessed the politicizing of Christianity in this nation. The conjoining of politics and faith have led to a polarization of our nation that has not been seen since just prior to the Civil War. In our having politicized Christianity, we've reduced the Gospel of Christ to a battle between political and social issues that have alienated many from the ultimate message of Christ, that we are in need of redemption, and that repentance and conversion of heart are to become the priority of each and every one of us.

By insisting that we are still a Christian nation, we've allowed a polarization to take place that has pushed Christianity to the brink, having linked values, and moral teachings that are based on the Gospels, while the world around us has become jaded, even hostile, to whatever Christians have to say. Thus, the primary message of the Gospel is dismissed before people can even be brought through the door of our churches.

Today's youth are leaving Christianity in droves, as has been demonstrated in the demographics of America's "Bible Belt". The number of young people, even in the conservative South, who are giving birth out of wedlock, or having abortions, has skyrocketed. The support of civil marriage for same sex partners has increased dramatically. These moral issues are of course a concern for Christians, but our acceptance of the moral standards set forth in the Scriptures, are received by us, not as law, but as a result of our personal encounter with Christ. Legislative action ignores the fact that Christ changes the heart, and a society that is to be transformed, must see this transformation take place in the hearts of its people. For we Christians to foist our beliefs upon the nation, only creates resentment, and Christophobia.

Society must be transformed, but it can not be done by force of law. It must be done by bringing Christ to the center of our national scene. This can only be done when Christian love and charity rule, and when the nation can see in it's Christian peoples, an honesty of heart, and a authentic witness to Christ that is not based on angry polarization that contributes nothing but distrust and disunity.

Chuck Colson, who was one of President Nixon's Watergate people, and who, during his incarceration in prison, converted to Christ, said: “We made a big mistake in the ’80s by politicizing the Gospel … We [thought] that we could solve the deteriorating moral state of our culture by electing good guys. That’s nonsense. Now people are kind of realizing it was a mistake."

Change must begin with us, not with our society. Laws will not make this a Christian nation, for many of these very laws some politicians would enact, are also the basis of Islamic law. Biblical morality can only become an integral part of our nation, when we, as a people, have taken Christ into our hearts, and allowed the Holy Spirit to change us.

As Christians, we must not detract from the central message of the Gospels, by making it appear to be a part of one political party. To do so will eventually lead to the total discrediting of the institution of the Church. History has proven, time and again, that the Church must remain aloof from political parties or movements, for when the party is out of office, so is the Church’s influence. It must come with the conversion of her people.

Now that America’s extremist right wing groups have become emboldened, leftist have begun to fill their ranks with their own extremists, and the polarization of our country seems poised for another civil war. The Christianizing of this nation cannot be the result of legislation, political extremism, and blood letting between waring factions, but built upon a respect for the opinions of others, and the influence of committed Christians, whose lives are centered in the love of the Prince of Peace.
 

Nehemiah6

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It is deeply disturbing to me to have witnessed the politicizing of Christianity in this nation. The conjoining of politics and faith have led to a polarization of our nation that has not been seen since just prior to the Civil War.
More Leftist hogwash from Cbarber. No need to read this rubbish until the end of the post. This one bogus statement is enough.

Since you do not even know what led to the polarization of the nation -- and it certainly was not "conjoining politics with religion -- it is abundantly clear that you yourself have a political agenda which is rather disturbing. You have said nothing about the hatred of the Left for Trump, Christians, conservatives, the Constitution -- in fact America itself. For proof go back to the news from 2016 right through to today. Here is just one glaring example:

Did Biden go too far by calling 'extreme' MAGA Republicans semi-fascist? (yahoo.com)
Numerous Republicans called on Biden to apologize for the remark. "The fact that the president would go out and just insult half of America [and] effectively call half of America semi-fascist," New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu (R) said on CNN's State of the Union. "He's trying to stir up controversy. He's trying to stir up this anti-Republican sentiment right before the election. It's horribly inappropriate." Sununu said Biden's remarks would only further "polarize the country." Is Biden right, or did his "fascism" comment cross a line?,

Now do you know who is polarizing the country? You use the term "extremist" for those who stand for conservative values and the Constitution. So that is a blatant lie from Biden and yourself. MAGA Republicans are hard-working honest citizens who are fed up with the Communist nonsense of the Democrats. Even a lifelong Democrat like RKF Jr is fed up with this shift from where the party was when JKF was president. He has thrown his support behind Trump for sound reasons.
 

PennEd

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It is deeply disturbing to me to have witnessed the politicizing of Christianity in this nation. The conjoining of politics and faith have led to a polarization of our nation that has not been seen since just prior to the Civil War. In our having politicized Christianity, we've reduced the Gospel of Christ to a battle between political and social issues that have alienated many from the ultimate message of Christ, that we are in need of redemption, and that repentance and conversion of heart are to become the priority of each and every one of us.

By insisting that we are still a Christian nation, we've allowed a polarization to take place that has pushed Christianity to the brink, having linked values, and moral teachings that are based on the Gospels, while the world around us has become jaded, even hostile, to whatever Christians have to say. Thus, the primary message of the Gospel is dismissed before people can even be brought through the door of our churches.

Today's youth are leaving Christianity in droves, as has been demonstrated in the demographics of America's "Bible Belt". The number of young people, even in the conservative South, who are giving birth out of wedlock, or having abortions, has skyrocketed. The support of civil marriage for same sex partners has increased dramatically. These moral issues are of course a concern for Christians, but our acceptance of the moral standards set forth in the Scriptures, are received by us, not as law, but as a result of our personal encounter with Christ. Legislative action ignores the fact that Christ changes the heart, and a society that is to be transformed, must see this transformation take place in the hearts of its people. For we Christians to foist our beliefs upon the nation, only creates resentment, and Christophobia.

Society must be transformed, but it can not be done by force of law. It must be done by bringing Christ to the center of our national scene. This can only be done when Christian love and charity rule, and when the nation can see in it's Christian peoples, an honesty of heart, and a authentic witness to Christ that is not based on angry polarization that contributes nothing but distrust and disunity.

Chuck Colson, who was one of President Nixon's Watergate people, and who, during his incarceration in prison, converted to Christ, said: “We made a big mistake in the ’80s by politicizing the Gospel … We [thought] that we could solve the deteriorating moral state of our culture by electing good guys. That’s nonsense. Now people are kind of realizing it was a mistake."

Change must begin with us, not with our society. Laws will not make this a Christian nation, for many of these very laws some politicians would enact, are also the basis of Islamic law. Biblical morality can only become an integral part of our nation, when we, as a people, have taken Christ into our hearts, and allowed the Holy Spirit to change us.

As Christians, we must not detract from the central message of the Gospels, by making it appear to be a part of one political party. To do so will eventually lead to the total discrediting of the institution of the Church. History has proven, time and again, that the Church must remain aloof from political parties or movements, for when the party is out of office, so is the Church’s influence. It must come with the conversion of her people.

Now that America’s extremist right wing groups have become emboldened, leftist have begun to fill their ranks with their own extremists, and the polarization of our country seems poised for another civil war. The Christianizing of this nation cannot be the result of legislation, political extremism, and blood letting between waring factions, but built upon a respect for the opinions of others, and the influence of committed Christians, whose lives are centered in the love of the Prince of Peace.
We are capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time.

We can express the Gospel in love, without forsaking a society that has moral absolutes.

Homosexuality is a moral absolute wrong.

Allowing children to take hormone altering drugs, or to have gender changing surgery, is a moral absolute wrong.

Murdering children in the womb is a moral absolute wrong.

These issues and more should never be tolerated by Christians, and we should support politicians that would legislate them.

Just as we have a whole mountain of other laws put in place because of moral absolutes.

Your generation seems to have never learned that love DOES NOT equal acceptance.

And I would argue that acceptance of moral wrongs are actually hateful to people.
 

Nehemiah6

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And I would argue that acceptance of moral wrongs are actually hateful to people
You have put it rather mildly. All this is far worse than "morally wrong". It is downright demonic and Satanic. What is their agenda? To destroy human beings both physically and spiritually. That includes hatred. The Demoncrat party had been taken over by demons. Satan is a liar and the Father of Lies. And that is all that they have every day. Their PR agents -- the mainstream media -- are also liars. But they must not, and will not, succeed. Even Leftists are seeing through their lies.
https://www.westernjournal.com/mainstream-media-fact-checkers-rip-kamala-harris-dnc-speech-shreds/
 
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You have put it rather mildly. All this is far worse than "morally wrong". It is downright demonic and Satanic. What is their agenda? To destroy human beings both physically and spiritually. That includes hatred. The Demoncrat party had been taken over by demons. Satan is a liar and the Father of Lies. And that is all that they have every day. Their PR agents -- the mainstream media -- are also liars. But they must not, and will not, succeed. Even Leftists are seeing through their lies.
https://www.westernjournal.com/mainstream-media-fact-checkers-rip-kamala-harris-dnc-speech-shreds/
Don't lose your soul to politics and the doctrines of men. Let the anger and hate go. Focus on Jesus. He loves you.
 

Nehemiah6

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Don't lose your soul to politics and the doctrines of men. Let the anger and hate go. Focus on Jesus. He loves you.
I already know that Jesus loves me. And examining politicians is not "losing your soul" (a stupid remark). That is not anger and hate but a cold sober examination of all the lies and trickery of the Left.

What does this have to do with "the doctrines of men"? So why did you lose your soul to Leftist lies? How is it that you appeared on the scene at this time, trying to talk about the Gospel and ignoring what it actually happening out there, and promoting Comrade Kamala Harris while falsely accusing Trump?
 
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I already know that Jesus loves me. And examining politicians is not "losing your soul" (a stupid remark). That is not anger and hate but a cold sober examination of all the lies and trickery of the Left.

What does this have to do with "the doctrines of men"? So why did you lose your soul to Leftist lies? How is it that you appeared on the scene at this time, trying to talk about the Gospel and ignoring what it actually happening out there, and promoting Comrade Kamala Harris while falsely accusing Trump?
In this world you will have tribulation. Don't get so ensnared by it. Jesus Christ is the Victor.