The Shepherd: Good or Not Really?

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Webers.Home

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Jesus has been tasked with tending a number of his superior's sheep.

John 10:29 . . My sheep . . my Father gave them to me

Jesus' Father expects His son to be conscientious about the sheep's safety.

John 6:39 . .This is the will of the One who sent me: that I should not lose
anything of what He gave me.


Jesus never fails to give the One what He wants.

John 4:34 . . My food is to do the will of the One who sent me.

John 8:29 . . I always do what is pleasing to Him.

Now the thing is: were Jesus to lose even one of the sheep that his Father
entrusted to his care-- just one --then Jesus would not be able to say that
he "always" pleases the One who sent him. He could say that he pleases the
One most of the time, but certainly not always without fail.


People are actually casting a nay vote in regard to Jesus' competence when
they insist it's possible for him to lose some of the sheep that his Father
gave him. I would be inclined to agree with the skeptics were Christ an
ordinary guy; but his miracles demonstrate that Jesus has all the powers
and abilities of the supreme being at his disposal to insure he succeeds at
keeping the sheep right where his Father wants them kept.


John 10:9 . . I am the door; whoever enters through me shall be saved.

Were Christ an ordinary guy; then he wouldn't dare say "shall be saved" no,
he'd have to tone it down a bit and say safer instead of saved. That would
leave him some room for error. But when Christ says "shall be saved" he's
claiming a 0.0% failure rate. That's how confident Christ is that he will lose
nothing of those that the One gave him.


FAQ: Why can't the sheep change their minds about following Christ and
leave him to follow someone else?


REPLY: Animal husbandry isn't democratic, on the contrary: it's quite
despotic.


The thing is: a rancher's free will trumps the herd's free will; and the
rancher's brand burned into the animals' skins indelibly identify them with
their owner. So be advised: once someone makes the decision to unify with
Christ, they relinquish whatever sovereignty they had as a beast at large,
viz: they become Christ's property, and there's no going back because he
and his Father play for keeps.


John 10:28-29 . . No one can take them out of my hand-- my Father, who
has given them to me, is greater than all; and no one can take them out of
the Father’s hand. I and my Father stand together.


1Cor 6:19-20 . .You are not your own; you were bought at a price.

Eph 1:13 . . In him you also-- who have heard the word of truth, the
gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him --were sealed with the
promised Holy Spirit.
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Jesus has been tasked with tending a number of his superior's sheep.

John 10:29 . . My sheep . . my Father gave them to me

Jesus' Father expects His son to be conscientious about the sheep's safety.

John 6:39 . .This is the will of the One who sent me: that I should not lose
anything of what He gave me.


Jesus never fails to give the One what He wants.

John 4:34 . . My food is to do the will of the One who sent me.

John 8:29 . . I always do what is pleasing to Him.

Now the thing is: were Jesus to lose even one of the sheep that his Father
entrusted to his care-- just one --then Jesus would not be able to say that
he "always" pleases the One who sent him. He could say that he pleases the
One most of the time, but certainly not always without fail.


People are actually casting a nay vote in regard to Jesus' competence when
they insist it's possible for him to lose some of the sheep that his Father
gave him. I would be inclined to agree with the skeptics were Christ an
ordinary guy; but his miracles demonstrate that Jesus has all the powers
and abilities of the supreme being at his disposal to insure he succeeds at
keeping the sheep right where his Father wants them kept.


John 10:9 . . I am the door; whoever enters through me shall be saved.

Were Christ an ordinary guy; then he wouldn't dare say "shall be saved" no,
he'd have to tone it down a bit and say safer instead of saved. That would
leave him some room for error. But when Christ says "shall be saved" he's
claiming a 0.0% failure rate. That's how confident Christ is that he will lose
nothing of those that the One gave him.


FAQ: Why can't the sheep change their minds about following Christ and
leave him to follow someone else?


REPLY: Animal husbandry isn't democratic, on the contrary: it's quite
despotic.


The thing is: a rancher's free will trumps the herd's free will; and the
rancher's brand burned into the animals' skins indelibly identify them with
their owner. So be advised: once someone makes the decision to unify with
Christ, they relinquish whatever sovereignty they had as a beast at large,
viz: they become Christ's property, and there's no going back because he
and his Father play for keeps.


John 10:28-29 . . No one can take them out of my hand-- my Father, who
has given them to me, is greater than all; and no one can take them out of
the Father’s hand. I and my Father stand together.


1Cor 6:19-20 . .You are not your own; you were bought at a price.

Eph 1:13 . . In him you also-- who have heard the word of truth, the
gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him --were sealed with the
promised Holy Spirit.
_
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Jesus has been tasked with tending a number of his superior's sheep.

John 10:29 . . My sheep . . my Father gave them to me

Jesus' Father expects His son to be conscientious about the sheep's safety.

John 6:39 . .This is the will of the One who sent me: that I should not lose
anything of what He gave me.


Jesus never fails to give the One what He wants.

John 4:34 . . My food is to do the will of the One who sent me.

John 8:29 . . I always do what is pleasing to Him.

Now the thing is: were Jesus to lose even one of the sheep that his Father
entrusted to his care-- just one --then Jesus would not be able to say that
he "always" pleases the One who sent him. He could say that he pleases the
One most of the time, but certainly not always without fail.


People are actually casting a nay vote in regard to Jesus' competence when
they insist it's possible for him to lose some of the sheep that his Father
gave him. I would be inclined to agree with the skeptics were Christ an
ordinary guy; but his miracles demonstrate that Jesus has all the powers
and abilities of the supreme being at his disposal to insure he succeeds at
keeping the sheep right where his Father wants them kept.


John 10:9 . . I am the door; whoever enters through me shall be saved.

Were Christ an ordinary guy; then he wouldn't dare say "shall be saved" no,
he'd have to tone it down a bit and say safer instead of saved. That would
leave him some room for error. But when Christ says "shall be saved" he's
claiming a 0.0% failure rate. That's how confident Christ is that he will lose
nothing of those that the One gave him.


FAQ: Why can't the sheep change their minds about following Christ and
leave him to follow someone else?


REPLY: Animal husbandry isn't democratic, on the contrary: it's quite
despotic.


The thing is: a rancher's free will trumps the herd's free will; and the
rancher's brand burned into the animals' skins indelibly identify them with
their owner. So be advised: once someone makes the decision to unify with
Christ, they relinquish whatever sovereignty they had as a beast at large,
viz: they become Christ's property, and there's no going back because he
and his Father play for keeps.


John 10:28-29 . . No one can take them out of my hand-- my Father, who
has given them to me, is greater than all; and no one can take them out of
the Father’s hand. I and my Father stand together.


1Cor 6:19-20 . .You are not your own; you were bought at a price.

Eph 1:13 . . In him you also-- who have heard the word of truth, the
gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him --were sealed with the
promised Holy Spirit.
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Here is the point, so pay attention to the context. At vs24 the Jews ask Jesus, "If You are the Christ, tell us plainly." Vs25 Jesus answers, "I told you and you do not believe, the works that I do in My Father's name, these bear witness of Me. Vs26, But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep."

Vs27, My sheep hear My voice, and I give eternal life to them, and they will follow Me. In other words, all the sheep that Jesus calls hears His voice, and I know they follow Me." At vs28 Jesus gives His sheep eternal life and no one can snatch them out of His hand. At vs29 the sheep cannot be snatched out the Father's hand either. The sheep are equally safe in both the Father's and the Son's hand.

Why are the sheep safe in the Father's and the Son's hand? At John 10:30 Jesus literally says, "I and the Father WE are one." When the Jews heard that is says at vs31, "The Jews took up stones AGAIN to stone Him. At vs32, Jesus ask why? Vs33, "The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man make Yourself God."

Getting back to John 10:30. It's already a given that the Father and the Son are one in unity or purpose. The word "one" "hen" is a neuter number to indicate equality of essence, attributes, design, will and work. Jesus distinguishes the "I" from the "Father" and uses the plural verb "are" denoting "we are." Thus these words separates the persons within the Godhead, but "on" asserts their unity of essence or nature as identical.

IN GOD THE SON,
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Luke 2:8-12 . . Now there were shepherds in that region living in the fields
and keeping the night watch over their flock. The angel of The Lord
appeared to them, and the glory of The Lord shone around them, and they
were struck with great fear.


. . .The angel said to them: Do not be afraid; for behold, I proclaim to you
good news of great joy that will be for all the people. For today in the city of
David a savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord.


The Greek word translated "savior" basically pertains to rescue personnel.

Rescuing is what the Coast Guard does when boats capsize. Rescuing is what
Firemen do when people are trapped inside burning buildings. Rescuing is
what mountaineer teams do when climbers are in trouble. Rescuing is what
EMT paramedics do when someone needs to get to a hospital in a hurry; and
kept alive till they arrive. Rescuing is what surgeons do when someone
needs an organ transplant. I could go on and on giving example of rescuer
after rescuer; but I think we get the idea.


Jesus is like that, viz: he rescues people from the wrath of God-- people who
not only fully deserve it, but definitely in line to get it; and with no humanly
possible way to avoid it.


Now; of what real benefit would the savior of Luke 2:8-12 really be to
mankind if he couldn't provide guaranteed fail-safe protection from the
wrath of God? He'd be of no benefit to anybody. No; he'd be an incompetent
ninny that nobody could rely on.


But, if a savior were to be announced who guaranteed a free of charge, no
strings attached, fail safe, bullet proof, sin proof, human nature proof, Ten
Commandments proof, bad behavior proof, apostasy proof, reprobate proof,
back sliding proof, Sermon on the Mount proof, God proof, Devil proof,
irrevocable rescue from the wrath of God, and full time protection from
retribution; wouldn't that qualify as good news of great joy?


Well; I think just about everybody concerned about ending up in the lake of
brimstone depicted by Rev 20:10-15 would agree with me that news such as
the angel's would not only most certainly be good; but also cause for
celebration, and ecstatic happiness.


NOTE: I was fascinated with arson in my youth and managed so set a couple
of potentially dangerous fires; plus injured my right hand on one of the
burners of my mom's electric stove. Later, I was forty years an industrial
welder in shops and shipyards. I've seen for myself the effects of fire and
molten materials on bare flesh and thus want no part of the future in store
for folks who neglect to avail themselves of the protections offered to them
via the savior announced by that angel.
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