Loss of salvation???
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I actually believe the command to not eat was part of the covenant God made with Adam. He was God's representative for the human race. What happened to Adam would happen to all mankind. This is why nothing changed when Eve ate. She was not God's representative.
When Adam failed, God entered into a covenant of grace with Adam and Eve based on the covenant the Father entered into with the Son before the foundation of the world. Christ became the 2nd Adam who also was under a works covenant and representative of mankind.
When Adam failed, God entered into a covenant of grace with Adam and Eve based on the covenant the Father entered into with the Son before the foundation of the world. Christ became the 2nd Adam who also was under a works covenant and representative of mankind.
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Spiritual life. Out from having been spiritually dead.
Yet, even though someone had been made spiritually alive?
They can from wrong motivation, make wrong choices, and end up walking as one being spiritually dead in their experience.
The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God
That was instruction for the church. For believers.
Yet, even though someone had been made spiritually alive?
They can from wrong motivation, make wrong choices, and end up walking as one being spiritually dead in their experience.
The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God
and continues night and day to pray and to ask God for help. But the widow
who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives. Give the people these
instructions, so that no one may be open to blame. 1 Timothy 5:5-7
That was instruction for the church. For believers.
QUOTE="gratefuloneson,"]Can a once truly saved believer backslide too much and lose the gift of salvation? If so do they need to repent and ask for forgiveness through Christ again? Thoughts are welcome and scripture too![/QUOTE]
Dear Gratefuloneson,
I am new so having learned the art of posting and responding to certain posts.
Anyway, when it comes to a question like that, some denominations say you can. I don't belong to any church denomination, so in other words, I search the Bible and form my own beliefs. Too many people just swallow what a pastor or church says. I firmly believe you need to pray and search your heart. That said, God is full is Love and Mercy. He doesn't want anyone to be lost. If you accepted Jesus and asked him into your heart, then You need to follow HiM in the best way we can. This doesn't mean we won't backslide, I know I have many times in my 73 years but I always come back and am reassured of His love. You always need to ask for forgiveness and stop doing something if you know it is wrong..
Dear Gratefuloneson,
I am new so having learned the art of posting and responding to certain posts.
Anyway, when it comes to a question like that, some denominations say you can. I don't belong to any church denomination, so in other words, I search the Bible and form my own beliefs. Too many people just swallow what a pastor or church says. I firmly believe you need to pray and search your heart. That said, God is full is Love and Mercy. He doesn't want anyone to be lost. If you accepted Jesus and asked him into your heart, then You need to follow HiM in the best way we can. This doesn't mean we won't backslide, I know I have many times in my 73 years but I always come back and am reassured of His love. You always need to ask for forgiveness and stop doing something if you know it is wrong..
And if there is nothing that relates to death within the garden, what does God use to explain it? This is what you don't seem to get. No-one can imagine something out from nothing. There has to be something that God can use to explain death even if it is only a dead leaf or branch.
Adam may well have been created fully as an adult but he had to learn as a baby, line upon line, precept upon precept.
Adam may well have been created fully as an adult but he had to learn as a baby, line upon line, precept upon precept.
So God has difficulty with revelation? He cannot give wisdom and understanding?
So you believe Adam had the mind of an infant? That his mind was behind in development of his body? Wasn't he able to converse with God from the outset? And in a language that would have been given him at the outset?
I realize the scripture gives very limited information concerning Adam's time in the garden, but it isn't necessary to assume the worst of God. I quite imagine God did good for Adam and blessed him in every way. You can believe however you like.
So you believe Adam had the mind of an infant? That his mind was behind in development of his body? Wasn't he able to converse with God from the outset? And in a language that would have been given him at the outset?
I realize the scripture gives very limited information concerning Adam's time in the garden, but it isn't necessary to assume the worst of God. I quite imagine God did good for Adam and blessed him in every way. You can believe however you like.
No. The just have always walked by faith. That would include Adam and Eve after God shed the blood and covered them.
The original covenant, being a works covenant, had the stipulation of death. God was contractually required to render that sanction when the law was broken.
This is why Jerusalem was destroyed. Israel was under a covenant of works. They failed miserably throughout their time under the old covenant. In the fulness of time, God sent Christ to ratify the new covenant in His blood, and then executed the sanctions of the old covenant against Israel.
If you read the book of Deuteronomy, you will find God establishing the terms of the covenant and the sanctions for not upholding it. If you read the book of Revelation, you will find God reminding the people of the covenant and the sanctions, and rendering the sanctions for Israel's failure to uphold the terms. At the end, He gives His plan for the continuation of His kingdom.
The original covenant, being a works covenant, had the stipulation of death. God was contractually required to render that sanction when the law was broken.
This is why Jerusalem was destroyed. Israel was under a covenant of works. They failed miserably throughout their time under the old covenant. In the fulness of time, God sent Christ to ratify the new covenant in His blood, and then executed the sanctions of the old covenant against Israel.
If you read the book of Deuteronomy, you will find God establishing the terms of the covenant and the sanctions for not upholding it. If you read the book of Revelation, you will find God reminding the people of the covenant and the sanctions, and rendering the sanctions for Israel's failure to uphold the terms. At the end, He gives His plan for the continuation of His kingdom.
No different than you adding that a brother or sister can commit a sin that leads to death. You assume and add that to the text, it does NOT say that.
"If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray
and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death."
Says 100% nothing about believers sinning leading to death.
So you're adding to His word. I reject that.
"If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray
and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death."
Says 100% nothing about believers sinning leading to death.
So you're adding to His word. I reject that.
Scripture says there is a sin that leads to death. He's not talking about distinguishing between believer and unbeliever otherwise John couldn't say there is sin that does not lead to death. It's obvious John is making a distinction between two sets of sinful behaviour amongst believers, one that leads to death and one that does not when one contemplates praying for another.
1John 5:16-17
16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.
1John 5:16-17
16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.
Okay? So we get to stich any words in scripture together to make it say what we want and that's legit? I was OBVIOSLY talking about the verse he was using. What's your point? Argue?
Why don't you answer the important questions about the false gospel of temporary conditional salvation? If you believe salvation can be lost. Never in my life have I seen so many fight so hard to prove God weak and pointless. You people do NOT know the same God that saved me. At all. I could NEVER argue He is so weak that I could walk away from Him.
Why don't you answer the important questions about the false gospel of temporary conditional salvation? If you believe salvation can be lost. Never in my life have I seen so many fight so hard to prove God weak and pointless. You people do NOT know the same God that saved me. At all. I could NEVER argue He is so weak that I could walk away from Him.