Bible relevations 12: woman clothed with sun

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And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars
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(In it Mary, mother of jezus?)

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And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne
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(Jesus ascended into heaven)


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And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
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(she lived in seclusion, outside the world and society)
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And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
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(the demon sent her many gifts and good things, but they were supposed to destroy her soul or distance her from God)
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And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
beings from the earth came, and they took everything and divided it among themselves
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(perhaps by praying for the protection of the soul, or by protection from God, nothing could get to her, so the beings who came divided the gifts among themselves) (so her soul was pr
otected until end of life)
 

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And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars
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(In it Mary, mother of jezus?)
it's Israel.

twelve stars, twelve tribes.
 

posthuman

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(the demon sent her many gifts and good things, but they were supposed to destroy her soul or distance her from God)
the waters are peoples and nations, not fancy gifts, persecuting Israel, in the attempts of Satan to disturb the Messianic line throughout history.
 

homwardbound

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it's Israel.

twelve stars, twelve tribes.
Twelve Apostles
‘Jesus refused to listen to Satan refused those elegant kingdoms from atop that mountain, that evil showed him
I say, without this Messiah, Jesus as risen after he in that one time willing physical death sacrifice taking all sin out of the way for us. So we can have a conversation with Father. To get given the risen Spirit life of Son imputed in us to love all, the same as was is done for us all, on that cross. To believe and cross over with Jesus as born again willingly presently, daily.
‘behold the Lamb of God that took away the sin of the world, not counting any sin against anyone, but unbelief. Which is not a sin until decision made to believe God or not consciously the sin unto death is unbelief consciously, this i now see
psalm 100:4, 103:12, Ezekiel 36:26
 

Omegatime

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A second opinion by Hippoyltus-died around 235 AD

61. By the woman then clothed with the sun, he meant most manifestly the Church, endued with the Father's word, whose brightness is above the sun. And by the moon under her feet he referred to her being adorned, like the moon, with heavenly glory. And the words, upon her head a crown of twelve stars, refer to the twelve apostles by whom the Church was founded. And those, she, being with child, cries, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered, mean that the Church will not cease to bear from her heart the Word that is persecuted by the unbelieving in the world. And she brought forth, he says, a man-child, who is to rule all the nations; by which is meant that the Church, always bringing forth Christ, the perfect man-child of God, who is declared to be God and man, becomes the instructor of all the nations. And the words, her child was caught up unto God and to His throne, signify that he who is always born of her is a heavenly king, and not an earthly; even as David also declared of old when he said, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool. And the dragon, he says, saw and persecuted the woman which brought forth the man- child. And to the woman were given two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. That refers to the one thousand two hundred and threescore days (the half of the week) during which the tyrant is to reign and persecute the Church, which flees from city to city, and seeks conceal-meat in the wilderness among the mountains, possessed of no other defense than the two wings of the great eagle, that is to say, the faith of Jesus Christ, who, in stretching forth His holy hands on the holy tree, unfolded two wings, the right and the left, and called to Him all who believed upon Him, and covered them as a hen her chickens. For by the mouth of Malachi also He speaks thus: And unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in His wings.
 

birdie

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#7
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And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars
...
(In it Mary, mother of jezus?)

5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne
...
(Jesus ascended into heaven)


.....
14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
...
(she lived in seclusion, outside the world and society)
.
15
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
...
(the demon sent her many gifts and good things, but they were supposed to destroy her soul or distance her from God)
.
16
And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
beings from the earth came, and they took everything and divided it among themselves
..
(perhaps by praying for the protection of the soul, or by protection from God, nothing could get to her, so the beings who came divided the gifts among themselves) (so her soul was pr
otected until end of life)
Thanks Mikkadugeec, for mentioning the woman in Rev 12. She is clothed with the sun. The sun in the Bible is a picture of Christ (Psalm 19:4), so she is clothed with Christ. That means she is a picture of the true believers. The true believers are clothed with Christ's righteousness, not their own. She has the moon under her feet. The moon in the Bible is a picture of the law (Jer 31:35), and we see that the true believers have gained victory over the law, such that the penalty of the law has no power over them; it is under their feet. In a sense we could describe her as those who are saved (the Jerusalem that is above mentioned in Galatians). The number 12 as her crown is a picture of the believers as well. Israel is a picture of believers. Just as there were 12 tribes providing a picture of new testament believers, so 12 disciples, etc. The 144,000 mentioned in Revelation is a figurative picture of believers and also highlights the number 12.
 
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The moon under her feet relates to repentance/law/water.

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Romans 16:20
“And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.”

Being clothed with the sun represents the Holy Spirit.

The crown with 12 stars represents the Church.The ones with a renewing of the mind.

Even the physical moon in the sky represents the water, and it's brightness fades like the face of Moses at the giving of the Law in the presence of the Spirit of the Lord on Mount Sinai.
Which means that the physical Sun represents the Spirit. "Clothed with the sun"
The Earth represents the blood.
Spirit,water,blood.
All things were made for him and by him.So in all things there will be the Spirit,water,and the blood,testifying of him.

Another interesting thing about the moon under her feet is that she's symbolically standing on water.She is the waters above separated from the waters below through the Holy Spirit.
 

Pilgrimshope

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it's Israel.

twelve stars, twelve tribes.
“And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭37:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Joseph was the twelfth son of Jacob ( israel) Jacob represented the sun and his wife the moon his twelve sons the stars. Definately israel
 

Bruce_Leiter

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#10
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And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars
...
(In it Mary, mother of jezus?)

5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne
...
(Jesus ascended into heaven)


.....
14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
...
(she lived in seclusion, outside the world and society)
.
15
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
...
(the demon sent her many gifts and good things, but they were supposed to destroy her soul or distance her from God)
.
16
And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
beings from the earth came, and they took everything and divided it among themselves
..
(perhaps by praying for the protection of the soul, or by protection from God, nothing could get to her, so the beings who came divided the gifts among themselves) (so her soul was protected until end of life)
You do realize that the Book of Revelation is highly-symbolic. One clue to the symbolism in that chapter is that the dragon is explained as the devil. Therefore, the woman is also symbolic; I believe that she is, therefore, the Old Testament people of God, who "gave birth" to the Messiah, Jesus.
 

Pilgrimshope

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1
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars
...
(In it Mary, mother of jezus?)

5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne
...
(Jesus ascended into heaven)


.....
14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
...
(she lived in seclusion, outside the world and society)
.
15
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
...
(the demon sent her many gifts and good things, but they were supposed to destroy her soul or distance her from God)
.
16
And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
beings from the earth came, and they took everything and divided it among themselves
..
(perhaps by praying for the protection of the soul, or by protection from God, nothing could get to her, so the beings who came divided the gifts among themselves) (so her soul was pr
otected until end of life)
It’s a vision of Gods bride isreal giving birth to the messiah the son of man and him being caught up into heaven on his throne and after Satan begins to war against the church who believes in him who was taken up to rule
You do realize that the Book of Revelation is highly-symbolic. One clue to the symbolism in that chapter is that the dragon is explained as the devil. Therefore, the woman is also symbolic; I believe that she is, therefore, the Old Testament people of God, who "gave birth" to the Messiah, Jesus.
Amen revelations imagery comes from the Old Testament narrative like this

“And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee ( 12th star) to the earth?”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭37:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jacob was given the name “ Israel “ by God and then he ( sun) and his wife ( moon ) had twelve recognized sons ( 12 stars ) which formed the twelve tribes of Israel’s inheritance.

So you have an image of a woman clothed with the sun moon any twelve stars expecting a male child a son to be born

later israel the nation represented by the woman Jerusalem Israel’s chosen city of God. was promised by God this promise

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭

israel was expecting the son to be born who would rule with a rod of iron and be caught up to God

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: Rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1-2, 4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:6-9, 12‬ ‭

“I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

were seeing these things condensed down into a narrative and vision more complete and onderrrsndsble and ordered them scattered scripture . so israel becomes a woman ( Jerusalem) with a crown of twelve stars and the sun and moon clothing her as she then gives birth to a son who she was expecting and he is taken up to God to rule the nations with a rod of Iron ect


“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: and she being with child ( israel was promised the son ) cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:1-2, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus was born and taken up to God in heaven to rule the world he died for

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s really a remarkable book in that it’s totally reliant on one’s knowledge of Old Testament figures and symbols labeled as different things for instance

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just two quick exemples but now in revelation he’s a serpent a great dragon fallen from heaven

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭

now with further apocalypse through John we know he’s an angel with charge over other angels who was cast out of heaven into earth ect ….

The book of revelation is actually “ the apocalypse of John “

the entire Bible is presented in an apocalyptic literary manner and form so that the imagery builds and works together to reveal things later on revelation is an apacolyptic vision or an “ apocalypse “ of the rest of the Bible based upon the figures and imagery pre labeled and explained in the prophets and law of Moses and gospel

“And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“and looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It all works together and is seen on revelations imagery but to know the prior explainations of the symbolism and imagery what it represents is imperative for revelation like your talking about Jerusalem represent eing Israel’s tribes inheritance and covenant with God is without a doubt the woman
 

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it's Israel.

twelve stars, twelve tribes.
Actually, the church was the fulfillment of everything that Israel should have become.

The 12 stars are the apostles.

The woman is the bride of Christ.

I would chose to see the spiritual fulfillment of all things in the Old Testament.

The moon under her feet is the law, the lesser light, the lesser glory.

She is clothed with the righteousness of Christ and she has now become light herself.
 

Inquisitor

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It’s a vision of Gods bride isreal giving birth to the messiah the son of man and him being caught up into heaven on his throne and after Satan begins to war against the church who believes in him who was taken up to rule

Amen revelations imagery comes from the Old Testament narrative like this

“And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee ( 12th star) to the earth?”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭37:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jacob was given the name “ Israel “ by God and then he ( sun) and his wife ( moon ) had twelve recognized sons ( 12 stars ) which formed the twelve tribes of Israel’s inheritance.

So you have an image of a woman clothed with the sun moon any twelve stars expecting a male child a son to be born

later israel the nation represented by the woman Jerusalem Israel’s chosen city of God. was promised by God this promise

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭

israel was expecting the son to be born who would rule with a rod of iron and be caught up to God

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: Rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1-2, 4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:6-9, 12‬ ‭

“I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

were seeing these things condensed down into a narrative and vision more complete and onderrrsndsble and ordered them scattered scripture . so israel becomes a woman ( Jerusalem) with a crown of twelve stars and the sun and moon clothing her as she then gives birth to a son who she was expecting and he is taken up to God to rule the nations with a rod of Iron ect


“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: and she being with child ( israel was promised the son ) cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:1-2, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus was born and taken up to God in heaven to rule the world he died for

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s really a remarkable book in that it’s totally reliant on one’s knowledge of Old Testament figures and symbols labeled as different things for instance

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just two quick exemples but now in revelation he’s a serpent a great dragon fallen from heaven

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭

now with further apocalypse through John we know he’s an angel with charge over other angels who was cast out of heaven into earth ect ….

The book of revelation is actually “ the apocalypse of John “

the entire Bible is presented in an apocalyptic literary manner and form so that the imagery builds and works together to reveal things later on revelation is an apacolyptic vision or an “ apocalypse “ of the rest of the Bible based upon the figures and imagery pre labeled and explained in the prophets and law of Moses and gospel

“And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“and looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It all works together and is seen on revelations imagery but to know the prior explainations of the symbolism and imagery what it represents is imperative for revelation like your talking about Jerusalem represent eing Israel’s tribes inheritance and covenant with God is without a doubt the woman
Israel was grafted out.

So the woman cannot be physical Israel.
 

homwardbound

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Israel was grafted out.

So the woman cannot be physical Israel.
Temporarily, until the gentiles that will believe willingly come in not under Law, in the liberty of the ‘law
and do not be arrogant in being given this grace from God. As easily as God grafted us in, God can graft us out. And there is a remnant of Jewsleft to come in Romans
  1. Romans 11:17
    If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. Romans 11:19
    You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be graftedin.”
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  3. Romans 11:23
    And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  4. Romans 11:24
    After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

me, you and all people to see, in thanksgiving and praise to God Father of Son Jesus, risen for us in belief to be risen too, to be willing to suffer too, if needed, just as Jesus was first, yet a lot worse than anyone else could suffer as he did willingly, to save us in his risen life, never to die ever again< it is finished done for us to be new in Father’s Spirit and Truth with all sin taken away as far as the east is from the wes.
wow< woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
 

Pilgrimshope

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Israel was grafted out.

So the woman cannot be physical Israel.
the woman is Jerusalem Israels chosen city of God the sun moon and stars represents israel.

the woman on chapter 12 whom is beautiful and adorned with beauty and seen in the heavens is coming from several prophecies like this one

“Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; ….. Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil. I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom. And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16:2-3, 8-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but as happens in the vision the woman pursued by the beast into the wilderness changes and later she is seen looking like this in chapter 17 wearing changed doverse garments and having different jewels and carrying a cup of fornications riding the beast

“But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon:

Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them, and tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.

And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood. Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger. Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied. Thou hast moreover multiplied thy How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;

( later in revelation the harlot is destroyed by her lovers the ten horns )

Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them; behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.

And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy. And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.

They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords. And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16:15-18, 22, 26, 28-30, 35-41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That vision in revelation is an apocalypse you have to look through prophecy to know what it’s about

just this one example alone shows this

“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: ( the woman is Jerusalem she represents Israel the sun moon twelve stars in this segment of johns visions)


(After she gives birth to messiah and then Satan is cast out of heaven when he goes up )

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:1, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

later you see a woman in tbe wilderness being revealed to John

“And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. ….And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:1-6, 18‬ ‭

things like that make sense only when we’ve heard things like the prophecies about Jerusalem in tbe ot and also things like this

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:37-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The reason it shows what it does is because it says prior what it says if we looo through prior scriptire almost everything in revelation corresponds to those things

The other way is to just interpret it with present events but every generetion does that and nothing ever pans out

If you look through prior prophecy of scripture it becomes an apacolypse revealing a lot regarding Christ and his kingdom and the world were in today as well as Gods ultimate plan to restore those who believe in him to a perfect eternal world where death is forgotten
 

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Rev 12:1 . . A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the
Sun, with the Moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

That sign is sometimes interpreted to indicate Jesus' mom; and I guess
that's okay if the Bible reader happens to be a Catholic.

But it's far more likely the sign is a bounce from Joseph's dream (Gen 37:9)
which Jacob interpreted as a reference to his clan, a.k.a. the people of
Israel.

"When he told it to his father and his brothers, his father reproved him and
asked: What is the meaning of this dream of yours? Can it be that I and
your mother and your brothers are to come and bow to the ground before
you?" (Gen 37:10)

As the family's prophet, Jacob's inspired intuition instantly caught the
dream's message; although it did make him a bit indignant. However, the
olde boy didn't brush the dream aside because his prophetic insight told him
there just might be something to it

* The mother element of the family of Israel consists of a composite unity
consisting of four biological moms-- Rachel, Leah, Bilhah and Zilpah. So the
logical conclusion is that the Moon's identity included all four women rather
than limited to Joseph's mom alone; who at the time was already deceased.

Anyway: I'm guessing that what we're told by the sign is that in spite of the
Dragon's best efforts, he has thus far failed to stop Christ from taking the
reins. In other words: Christ is still on track to return and no one can stop
him.

"She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with
an iron rod." (Rev 12:5a)

That would be a reference to the 2nd Psalm wherein Christ's opponents are
soundly mocked as silly air heads; so to speak.

NOTE: I was baptized an infant into Roman Catholicism; and in time sat thru
enough catechism to complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation.

Well; I must've been either asleep or absent the day when the nuns spoke of
Christ's return to conquer the world because I cannot remember ever once
hearing of it till I was 24 years old. The news was a shock not only because I
was taken by surprise, but also because I instinctively knew that were I to
stand before Christ for a face-to-face it would not go well for me because I
had a lot to answer for.
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The moon under her feet relates to repentance/law/water.

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Romans 16:20
“And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.”

Being clothed with the sun represents the Holy Spirit.

The crown with 12 stars represents the Church.The ones with a renewing of the mind.

Even the physical moon in the sky represents the water, and it's brightness fades like the face of Moses at the giving of the Law in the presence of the Spirit of the Lord on Mount Sinai.
Which means that the physical Sun represents the Spirit. "Clothed with the sun"
The Earth represents the blood.
Spirit,water,blood.
All things were made for him and by him.So in all things there will be the Spirit,water,and the blood,testifying of him.

Another interesting thing about the moon under her feet is that she's symbolically standing on water.She is the waters above separated from the waters below through the Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 12:22
But ye have come unto Mount Zion and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels.

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

All true believers are Mount Zion.Your head is the mountain top of Zion.New Jerusalem which cometh down out of heaven from my God is the Holy Spirit.
Just like how God/Jesus came down from heaven and dwelt among men in the flesh,
the Holy Spirit came down from heaven and dwelt among men in the flesh.That is the heart made flesh.

Genesis 1:6-8
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


That is what the Holy Spirit is.It is a type of firmament.You see where I'm going with this?


Luke 17:20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

New Jerusalem came down from heaven.
This is heaven coming down to the earth.
That's what it is like to those who receive the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is a firmament, and the firmament is called heaven.

When Jesus is talking in parables what the kingdom of heaven is like.What is he talking about?He talking about the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit builds the kingdom within you,and it separates you from the world,from the waters below.
You are from above,they are from below.
Jesus was saying the same thing to the Pharisees not because they came from a line of the serpent seed like how some assume that the line of Cain is the serpent seed.But because those who are carnal minded and are of the world, are of the serpent seed!

So the moon below her feet means she walks in God's Law.Shes walking in Gods ways.She is also walking on the waters below,
Because she was given the victory over the serpent through Jesus.
 

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Rev 12:1 . . A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the
Sun, with the Moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.


That sign is sometimes interpreted to indicate Jesus' mom; and I guess
that's okay if the Bible reader happens to be a Catholic.


But it's far more likely the sign is a bounce from Joseph's dream (Gen 37:9)
which Jacob interpreted as a reference to his clan, a.k.a. the people of
Israel.


"When he told it to his father and his brothers, his father reproved him and
asked: What is the meaning of this dream of yours? Can it be that I and
your mother and your brothers are to come and bow to the ground before
you?" (Gen 37:10)


As the family's prophet, Jacob's inspired intuition instantly caught the
dream's message; although it did make him a bit indignant. However, the
olde boy didn't brush the dream aside because his prophetic insight told him
there just might be something to it


* The mother element of the family of Israel consists of a composite unity
consisting of four biological moms-- Rachel, Leah, Bilhah and Zilpah. So the
logical conclusion is that the Moon's identity included all four women rather
than limited to Joseph's mom alone; who at the time was already deceased.


Anyway: I'm guessing that what we're told by the sign is that in spite of the
Dragon's best efforts, he has thus far failed to stop Christ from taking the
reins. In other words: Christ is still on track to return and no one can stop
him.


"She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with
an iron rod." (Rev 12:5a)


That would be a reference to the 2nd Psalm wherein Christ's opponents are
soundly mocked as silly air heads; so to speak.


NOTE: I was baptized an infant into Roman Catholicism; and in time sat thru
enough catechism to complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation.


Well; I must've been either asleep or absent the day when the nuns spoke of
Christ's return to conquer the world because I cannot remember ever once
hearing of it till I was 24 years old. The news was a shock not only because I
was taken by surprise, but also because I instinctively knew that were I to
stand before Christ for a face-to-face it would not go well for me because I
had a lot to answer for.
_
“a woman clothed with the
Sun, with the Moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.”


its jacobs dream he saw his mother father and brothers as the sun moon and 12 stars . Jacob is israel , israel was promised a son would be born to them

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭

israel was expecting a man child, a son to be born who would go up to heaven and rule from the throne of God with a rod of iron

“Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:8-9, 12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Israel was promised a son , who would rule from Gods throne he was born and ascended up to the throne where he rules

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Revelation is about Christ and his impact on the world