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I am still waiting for the real Holy Spirit to correct your heart.
Jesus gave perfect teaching.
Even then... There were those who could not be convinced.
Peter warned the church about those who will distort and opposed Paul's teachings.
Should I not heed Peter's words?
Sounds like some of us should just stay away from you.
And... Not to keep trying to convince you of what you will end up distorting anyway, if they should try.
Just letting you know. I am aware of those verses.
And, wish for others to be aware also...
Have a Nice Day!
Jesus gave perfect teaching.
Even then... There were those who could not be convinced.
Peter warned the church about those who will distort and opposed Paul's teachings.
Should I not heed Peter's words?
So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort
to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our
Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you
with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters,
speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are
hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do
the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:14-16
Sounds like some of us should just stay away from you.
And... Not to keep trying to convince you of what you will end up distorting anyway, if they should try.
Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time.
After that, have nothing to do with them." Titus 3:10
Just letting you know. I am aware of those verses.
And, wish for others to be aware also...
Have a Nice Day!
Read Leviticus...
Now, go sacrifice animals for when you sin.
After all?
It says to do so!
That's your problem.
You have a wrong timeline that you keep dumping in your defense.
You can not cite passages that referred to the time before the temporary gifts were to cease,
as your justification for having those gifts now.
Like I said.....
Go find a lamb without spot and blemish for the next time you sin.
It's in the Bible!
Have fun, until your time is done.
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I don't have the spirit of fear guy, so your attempt to try and judge me by your understanding of the text you used will not work. Try that on new believers as those like to intimate.
Still waiting for you to shown where in the word of God the gifts are not for today. I see you gave up on the pagan words and are now back to Leviticus. You just did so in error when applying.
Still waiting for you to shown where in the word of God the gifts are not for today. I see you gave up on the pagan words and are now back to Leviticus. You just did so in error when applying.
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I don't care what you do.
I care about those who might read this thread, and do not yet have enough information to let them know why they sense something
very wrong with the tongues crowd. Very wrong.
And, I care about the anti Christian socialists wanting to control the media to influence society, who think tongues is what the Church should be involved in.
Even when tongues were valid?
Paul warned that outsiders would see them as insane.
That information was music to Satan's ears.
So... Satan over time organized counterfeits to carry on after the temporary gifts had ceased.
I care about those who might read this thread, and do not yet have enough information to let them know why they sense something
very wrong with the tongues crowd. Very wrong.
And, I care about the anti Christian socialists wanting to control the media to influence society, who think tongues is what the Church should be involved in.
Even when tongues were valid?
Paul warned that outsiders would see them as insane.
That information was music to Satan's ears.
So... Satan over time organized counterfeits to carry on after the temporary gifts had ceased.
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Gods gifts are without repentance
Roman 11:29
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
in the Greek, the word Gift is charisma
They have not stopped. But maybe you have a Hindu text to refute the word of God or Vigil
Roman 11:29
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
in the Greek, the word Gift is charisma
- grace or gifts denoting extraordinary powers, distinguishing certain Christians and enabling them to serve the church of Christ, the reception of which is due to the power of divine grace operating on their souls by the Holy Spirit
They have not stopped. But maybe you have a Hindu text to refute the word of God or Vigil
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Peter was well aware of Paul's writings.
Peter told his own congregation that prophesy was to end.
In a indirect way he stated the obvious.
Notice what Peter did not say,.
Peter would have said it that way if Peter was expecting the gift of prophesy to continue!!!!!!
Here is what Peter said, again.
Peter understood what Paul was saying!
Now... there's something more for you to distort. Let's see how creative your guiding spirits are.
There's your challenge for the day.
I hope some others here are following what I have been warning against.
They need it to be made free from the gaslighting.
In Christ .....
Peter told his own congregation that prophesy was to end.
In a indirect way he stated the obvious.
2 Peter 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—
bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Notice what Peter did not say,.
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false prophets among you.
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—
bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Peter would have said it that way if Peter was expecting the gift of prophesy to continue!!!!!!
Here is what Peter said, again.
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—
bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Peter made no mention of false prophets to be among them. But, only to be replaced by false teachers.Peter understood what Paul was saying!
Now... there's something more for you to distort. Let's see how creative your guiding spirits are.
So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort
to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our
Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you
with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters,
speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are
hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do
the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:14-16
There's your challenge for the day.
I hope some others here are following what I have been warning against.
They need it to be made free from the gaslighting.
In Christ .....
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It only means God will not change his mind about the gifts he gave. Without repentance.
After all? After Paul was established in the community with his gift to heal? God stopped the gift from functioning!
Paul had to tell Timothy to drink a little wine with water to help his stomach problems.
And, Paul tells us that he had to leave behind his good friend Trophimus who was so sick that he almost died.
Greet Priscilla and Aquila and the household of Onesiphorus. Erastus stayed in Corinth,
and I left Trophimus sick in Miletus. Do your best to get here before winter. Eubulus
greets you, and so do Pudens, Linus, Claudia and all the brothers and sisters." 2 Timothy 4:19-21
Come on! Open your eyes! (maybe God has to heal them?)
God removed the ability after Paul had become well established amongst believers!
What are failing to see...
The Church was new and pioneering in areas unknown to anyone before.
The gifts were used in the early days to reveal whom God was sending.
Now wake up....
After all? After Paul was established in the community with his gift to heal? God stopped the gift from functioning!
Paul had to tell Timothy to drink a little wine with water to help his stomach problems.
And, Paul tells us that he had to leave behind his good friend Trophimus who was so sick that he almost died.
Greet Priscilla and Aquila and the household of Onesiphorus. Erastus stayed in Corinth,
and I left Trophimus sick in Miletus. Do your best to get here before winter. Eubulus
greets you, and so do Pudens, Linus, Claudia and all the brothers and sisters." 2 Timothy 4:19-21
Come on! Open your eyes! (maybe God has to heal them?)
Erastus stayed in Corinth, and I left Trophimus sick in Miletus.
See that? Paul stopped having the gift of healing. God removed the ability after Paul had become well established amongst believers!
What are failing to see...
The Church was new and pioneering in areas unknown to anyone before.
The gifts were used in the early days to reveal whom God was sending.
Now wake up....
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OH MY, a revisionist of the word of God.
you used 2Pet 2:1 why? the context starts in Chapter one? what did that say?
Hmm, let's see:
The Trustworthy Prophetic Word
(Matt. 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35 )
16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory:
“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Chapter Two continues :
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority.
They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.
This has to do with false teachers and prophets not the removal of spiritual gifts. or the ceasing of them.
you used 2Pet 2:1 why? the context starts in Chapter one? what did that say?
Hmm, let's see:
The Trustworthy Prophetic Word
(Matt. 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35 )
16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory:
“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Chapter Two continues :
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority.
They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.
This has to do with false teachers and prophets not the removal of spiritual gifts. or the ceasing of them.
Greet Priscilla and Aquila and the household of Onesiphorus. Erastus stayed in Corinth,
and I left Trophimus sick in Miletus. Do your best to get here before winter. Eubulus
greets you, and so do Pudens, Linus, Claudia and all the brothers and sisters." 2 Timothy 4:19-21
The gift was removed!
There you go. Distorting while you act like you know what you are talking about.
Its a well known technique of those who promote false teachings...
Paul did not say the water was bad.
If it were? Paul should have recommended the same thing for many others.
What happened to Trophimus? You skipped that one.... Paul had to leave him behind sick. Trophimus almost died.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven.
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in
your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty
works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew
you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23
LOOK!
They called Him, Lord, Lord!
They did miracles and works IN HIS NAME!
But? They were never saved.
They walked in a demonic counterfeit of power and were deceived to think it was the Holy Spirit.....
And, they rejected the corrections from Scripture when they came. No excuse will be accepted.
You need a real healing.
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Word up buddy:
Their testimony is 100% lies. All of it. They are false prophets, fakers and frauds.
Are there people like that around today in bogus scam Churches? You tell me.
Which of course is the reason God tells them that they are workers of iniquity and for that reason He does not know them.
Time to up your game buddy. You really ought to get that right one of these days. If you do it will eliminate a lot of insane rambling and confusion.
Their testimony is 100% lies. All of it. They are false prophets, fakers and frauds.
Are there people like that around today in bogus scam Churches? You tell me.
Which of course is the reason God tells them that they are workers of iniquity and for that reason He does not know them.
Time to up your game buddy. You really ought to get that right one of these days. If you do it will eliminate a lot of insane rambling and confusion.
..........You're going to miss the Rapture?