Tonight's Presidential Debate

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Cameron143

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How about a co-conspirator?
How about somebody who is in on the $$$ human trafficking $$$ payroll?

Come on man......use your imagination. And DEFINITELY think the worst. Cuz if you DO, you will be close to the truth.
Sorry. A liar at minimum, possibly far worse.
 

Cameron143

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To understand better, think about this:

There are no Democrats who are secretly Republicans. There are loads of Republicans who are actually Democrats.

Think about the most recent border bill. The bill that the House sent to the Senate actually stopped illegal immigration, at least at the legal level. The bill the Senate sent back did not. It codified illegal immigration and hastened the release of illegals into the country.

Senator Lankford, a long time Senator from Oklahoma. What would cause him to shuck a bill that would have legally closed the border for one that legally left it open? Do you honestly believe he is a conservative?
 

JayBird

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It's easy to tell lawabiding citizens. They are the ones not breaking the law.
Seriously? Apparently you think criminals do all their crimes out in full view of the police. o_O

I am OK with the military going door to door where criminal activity is going on and local law enforcement requests it.
How would they know if there's criminal activity going on in someone's house? Keep in mind, we're talking about people who are merely here illegally (such as overstaying a work visa), many of whom have been here for years. They speak English, work, drive, etc.

How would they be discovered via door to door programs?

And this was Trump's point in mentioning local law enforcement. Also why he kept mentioning the number of criminals illegal immigrants who are being allowed in. I guess you missed all that he said concerning the topic wanting in any way to disparage Trump regardless of truth.
Criminal networks are often quite large and local agencies lack the resources to police such groups. These are the groups Trump had in mind employing military personnel for.
None of that is what Trump is proposing. He's not just planning to round up criminal gangs and such, he's planning to round up every single immigrant that's not here legally.

The reason that local law enforcement knows where the problems lie is because they are trained professionals. The reason crime in many areas is not policed is because of the liberal leadership at the top and in the justice system, who will not prosecute offenders. In short, local law enforcement is not allowed to do their jobs, or feckless prosecutors do not do their jobs as they have sworn to do.
Any actual support for that?

I don't have any concern of military personnel coming to my area.
Then we're just going to disagree on that. I absolutely do not want the military coming to my house, demanding to see my papers.

Where I live,criminals go to jail because of the excellent job of local and state agents and officers. They will never call in military assistance because it isn't necessary. However, in states run by liberals, this is not the case. For American citizens to be safe from criminal elements in such places, if the local law enforcement request it, I'm all for it.
Ah, so you're okay with all this military and police action towards Americans, so long as it's towards Democrats.

That's decidedly unAmerican. That you would happily subject your fellow Americans to this sort of thing doesn't speak well of you.

You can continue to act like you haven't heard the truth now, but it can only be because you desire to be deceitful. I have explained it to you at great length. You are simply fake news in that case.
Again, you seem to think things become truth just because you say so. I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way. If you said Trump was an alien from Andromeda, that doesn't make it true.
 

Cameron143

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Seriously? Apparently you think criminals do all their crimes out in full view of the police. o_O


How would they know if there's criminal activity going on in someone's house? Keep in mind, we're talking about people who are merely here illegally (such as overstaying a work visa), many of whom have been here for years. They speak English, work, drive, etc.

How would they be discovered via door to door programs?


None of that is what Trump is proposing. He's not just planning to round up criminal gangs and such, he's planning to round up every single immigrant that's not here legally.


Any actual support for that?


Then we're just going to disagree on that. I absolutely do not want the military coming to my house, demanding to see my papers.


Ah, so you're okay with all this military and police action towards Americans, so long as it's towards Democrats.

That's decidedly unAmerican. That you would happily subject your fellow Americans to this sort of thing doesn't speak well of you.


Again, you seem to think things become truth just because you say so. I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way. If you said Trump was an alien from Andromeda, that doesn't make it true.
Sigh...all mouth, no ears.
 

ZNP

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Wow, the pundits who have been telling us that Kamala won are completely out of touch with independents.

 

HealthAndHappiness

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And the Earth is flat, and we've never been to the mood (which is made of green cheese).

Poll 1 says Hassis by a landslide.
Poll 2 says Trump by a landslide
Poll 3 says "Dead heat"

The "Debate show" was ridiculous!!!
The moon is swiss cheese, hence the holes. It's science.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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On the contrary they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I can see two weeks from now photographic evidence making front page news of immigrants eating cats and dogs. If they don't make a big deal of this now no one would care in two weeks. But if they do and then get this story it will be front page news and it will highlight how our "Border Czar" had put all of our loved pets in peril. Since Harris' base is made up of cat ladies this will be devastating to her campaign.

Has it ever occurred to you that Trump already has this story in the bag and that it is his campaign pushing the funny memes? Trump is a counterpuncher, this is his style.

Standard rule from Sun Tzu, don't take the bait your enemy gives you.

I've got a cat lady that lives across the street. I'm trying to decide on whether I'd rather have some Illegal Haitians move in .......🤔
 

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The one fact that I have never heard discussed is the robbing of retirement funds!
If you are and active worker or retired, you should be very concerned that the funds that you have set aside for retirement are being drained by the current administration.
Over the past year, they have reached into your savings and removed about 25%.
I know what you're thinking. You go check your balance and tell yourself, that's just not true. I don't see any withdrawals, everything looks just fine. In fact, the balance increased a little!
However, that balance is only worth 75% of its value of a year ago! This is due to the inflation we have all suffered. In other words, for every 100,000.00 that you have set aside, 25,000.00 has been stolen.
That's just one of the problems that each of us should be voting to correct!
 

HealthAndHappiness

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The one fact that I have never heard discussed is the robbing of retirement funds!
If you are and active worker or retired, you should be very concerned that the funds that you have set aside for retirement are being drained by the current administration.
Over the past year, they have reached into your savings and removed about 25%.
I know what you're thinking. You go check your balance and tell yourself, that's just not true. I don't see any withdrawals, everything looks just fine. In fact, the balance increased a little!
However, that balance is only worth 75% of its value of a year ago! This is due to the inflation we have all suffered. In other words, for every 100,000.00 that you have set aside, 25,000.00 has been stolen.
That's just one of the problems that each of us should be voting to correct!

That's a fact! I went to Giant Eagle to buy a turkey that was $1 / pound today only. While I was there, the store was nearly empty. I looked at the prices on other whole foods and said out loud no wonder .......who can afford to buy groceries here except maybe the pharmacist!

Inflation is theft. It's theft by stealth.
 

Dude653

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That they are all in the basements of her progressive left liberal Democrat cartel buddies and supporters?
Because of their......shall we say, insatiable needs?
And this is nothing new. That is what mechanistic reductionist atheist materialist Malthusian eugenicists habitually do.

After all, she is the Chief Architect and enabler of this horrific $$$ human trafficking $$$.....right?
Surely she is minting the Benjamins along with the Big Guy and their crew.
Cuckoo
 

ZNP

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The one fact that I have never heard discussed is the robbing of retirement funds!
If you are and active worker or retired, you should be very concerned that the funds that you have set aside for retirement are being drained by the current administration.
Over the past year, they have reached into your savings and removed about 25%.
I know what you're thinking. You go check your balance and tell yourself, that's just not true. I don't see any withdrawals, everything looks just fine. In fact, the balance increased a little!
However, that balance is only worth 75% of its value of a year ago! This is due to the inflation we have all suffered. In other words, for every 100,000.00 that you have set aside, 25,000.00 has been stolen.
That's just one of the problems that each of us should be voting to correct!
Not if you are in silver or gold.
 

daisyseesthesun

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To understand better, think about this:

There are no Democrats who are secretly Republicans. There are loads of Republicans who are actually Democrats.

Think about the most recent border bill. The bill that the House sent to the Senate actually stopped illegal immigration, at least at the legal level. The bill the Senate sent back did not. It codified illegal immigration and hastened the release of illegals into the country.

Senator Lankford, a long time Senator from Oklahoma. What would cause him to shuck a bill that would have legally closed the border for one that legally left it open? Do you honestly believe he is a conservative?
Cameron143,
This is mostly true. There are no Democrats who are secretly Republicans. -No but there are many that are moderates likely (Christians) There are loads of Republicans who are secretly (liberal). yep, you're spot on.


Another thing people forget is that 44% of Democrats identify as Christian and 30% of independent votes are Christian.

but it's really not surprising if you consider that the most attended church in America is the Southern Baptist 30 million of which are African American Christian democrats.
 
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Did anyone notice the ABC host introduced Trump and Harris as vice president Kamala Harris and president Donald Trump..?
Ill repeat that , "PRESIDENT" Donald Trump.

 

ResidentAlien

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Did anyone notice the ABC host introduced Trump and Harris as vice president Kamala Harris and president Donald Trump..?
Ill repeat that , "PRESIDENT" Donald Trump.

The debate moderator was just following traditional protocol. Traditionally, in the US, anyone who has served as President is called "President" for the rest of their life as a sign of respect. However, nearly everyone refers to Donald Trump as "former President," probably just to get under his skin, and to reflect their disrespect of him. Many of Trump's followers actually think he's still the legitimate President; he's the "real" President since, according to them, the 2020 election was stolen, and the Donald is still God's man. Personally I have no problem calling him "President"; he was chosen by God to serve for four years so that should be respected.
 

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It's now down to the lowest it's been since the pandemic.
Finally, after how many years? Big deal. The damage is already done! What is it now? Like 2.5-2.9%? It was even lower than that under Trump. Where did it top out under Biden? Like around 9%? I can tell a big difference economically from Trump to Biden. My wife and I went from spending $150 a week on groceries to $200 a week. We used to spend $14-$15 for two meals at Chick-fil-A under Trump to $21-22 for those same two meals under Biden. Gas is higher under Biden. A synthetic oil change went from costing around $60 under Trump to over $100 under Biden. Within the last year I had to buy a new car battery and could not believe it cost $220 and $1,000 for 4 new tires installed. The last time I bought a new car battery, and 4 new tires installed it cost significantly less than that. Our homeowner's insurance keeps jumping ever since Biden took office. Our county has been sued by multiple cities because they raised property taxes significantly in 2023. Some people saw over 100% increase the last time around! That has never happened before. Everything is up! Utility bills keep jumping as well. Costs to travel including lodging. It's not just me either. I've heard many people complain about the cost of living ever since Biden took office, but you go right ahead and keep defending him.

Crime is lower than when Trump left office.
Crime had nowhere to go but down after Trump's last year in office. Remember the summer of love during 2020? Burning down buildings, looting, murder and attacking the police was all done in the name of democracy? Crime was especially rampant during that time, but it did not fit the narrative so the msm basically swept it under the carpet and all we heard about over the last 4 years was J6 and we still keep hearing about it. Kamala Harris referred to J6 as the worst attack on democracy since the civil war. What a complete exaggeration! But it fits the left-wing narrative which tickles the ears of folks who suffer from a severe case of TDS. So, what about 911? That would have been the correct answer in regard to worst attack on democracy since the civil war. Based on the direction we are heading in America we may eventually see another civil war.

I hear the left talk about crime being down, but all I hear about is that crime is still bad, even to this day. I hear a lot about problems with shop lifting and car theft in the city I live in, when I used to rarely hear about that. Ever since the "defund the police" movement and the now "soft on crime" policies criminals have been emboldened and don't worry about consequences as much these days. Something else my wife and I notice all the time is people driving with expired temporary tags on their cars. Sometimes those tags have been expired up to a year. Her and I used to never see that until the soft on crime administration took office.

Where have you been? The stock market has been booming.
I've been right here. Booming or just finally bouncing back? Now under Trump it was booming! Many of us at work were all praising Trump for great returns from the stock market and some of us more than doubled our money under Trump! :D Thanks to Trump, I reached my goal amount for retirement, so I moved my money to a safer fund and will leave it there. No more roller coaster rides. Under Biden it was a whole different story. Biden’s stock market record by 2022 was the second worst since Jimmy Carter. :eek:

Biden’s stock market record so far is the second worst since Jimmy Carter | CNN Business

The border has been closed since President Biden issued his EO. Again, where have you been?
So, he just recently finally did that? For how long? It is an election year. What's his angle for doing that and will it last? Regardless, the damage is already done! How many millions of ILLEGAL immigrants have poured across the border ever since he took office? This ILLEGAL immigration invasion of America is not only irresponsible, it's criminal! But people who hate America don't care.

We were still at war in Afghanistan during the entirety of Trump's term.
That war had been going on long before Trump took office, and it ended very badly under Biden. His botched withdrawal in Afghanistan got 13 US Marines killed! Under Biden we now have the war between Russian and Ukraine and the Israel-Hamas war. We also have Jewish students facing a hostile environment during pro-Palestinian protests in America and I'm sick of seeing these protesters burn American flags, deface monuments and in some cases, even chant death to America! Why do we tolerate this in America? Do Jewish lives matter?

And all our pets are in peril! Dogs and cats living together! It'll rain frogs!
Hyperbole.

I guess then genocide of indigenous population, slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, etc. were just fine with God, but electing Democrats is just too much? o_O
Genocide of indigenous population? Sounds like abortion and also reminds me of Covid. I see where this is going with slavery and segregation, which ended years ago. Slavery existed even back in the Old Testament days and in some parts of the world still does exist today. Exploiting racism has worked out great for Democrats. Why stop now? There have been wrongs from the past in America where strides have been taken to make right. There are no perfect countries. Including America, but recently, America just keeps spiraling downward. Race relations were the best I had ever seen while my son was still in school just before Obama took office. Then that changed fast. Embracing homosexuality, allowing men to compete with woman in sports and share the same locker room, pushing abortion rights as if it's such an important right and calling the right to murder innocent babies' freedom. Trump gave the power to decide back to the states, yet that's not good enough for Democrats. They want full blown rights to murder babies in all states. How do think God feels about homosexuality and the murder of innocent babies? Do you believe that God honors the democratic party? I doubt He honors very many politicians at all, yet it always seems to come down to the lesser of two evils as they say.

Tell me, are you supportive of Trump's plan to have the National Guard force their way into your house, whether you allow it or not?
Oh, like that's going to happen. Sounds more like a democratic plan. The FBI had no problem forcing their way into people's homes while rounding up people who were in or near the Capitol on J6. There for a while I thought FBI stood for Following Biden's Instructions.
 

cv5

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Some interesting info and testimony seeing that it is 9/11 and all.....
What is your opinion?

(1) 🔻Hind Alliyaah🔻 on X: "@ShadowofEzra https://t.co/Ccxv9YuLV0" / X

(1) Zadok 💫 on X: "Twin Towers Controlled Demolition Video September 11 9/11 #September11 https://t.co/h44Gl2gcr8" / X

(1) Shadow of Ezra on X: "Just one day before the deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history, exactly 23 years ago, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld made a shocking revelation: the U.S. government had lost track of $2.3 trillion. https://t.co/hSfCwavfAj" / X

(1) Shadow of Ezra on X: "The 9/11 Commission conveniently omits the fact that Marvin Bush, brother of President George W. Bush, and their cousin were key figures in the company responsible for security at the World Trade Center. StrataSec, formerly known as Securicom, not only managed security for the https://t.co/C8GM8KBsaA" / X

(1) Shadow of Ezra on X: "William Rodríguez, famously dubbed "The Last Man Out," was a janitor on 9/11 who heroically saved lives by unlocking doors with a master key. However, when he began speaking about explosions in the basement before the planes hit, he was swiftly ignored and even pressured by the https://t.co/aosemrWu7f" / X

(1) Shadow of Ezra on X: "World Trade Center 7, a 47-story skyscraper, "collapsed" at 5:20 PM on September 11, 2001, despite not being struck by a plane. WTC 7 housed the following tenants: ⁃ CIA ⁃ IRS ⁃ Secret Service ⁃ Department of Defense ⁃ NYC Office of Emergency Management ⁃ Securities and https://t.co/MmMWqyXDCL" / X
 

cv5

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Thank you. But seriously. I’m not interested in being correct.

I purely want those on the fence, especially Christians, to see how horrible it would be if this woman was ever President.

Look at how Jaybird is panicking because he’s realizing that he can’t twist her awful transgender position.
Taxpayer funded tans surgery on illegal immigrant children in jail.
That is what Kamalatov is demanding. Thats where America is heading if she is in the wheelhouse.

@JayBird and @seed_time_harvest are fine with this and the rest of her insane policies.