Christ's Signs of the End

DavyP · Sep 15, 2024

Part I

Did you know that Lord Jesus gave us specific SIGNS of the end of this world leading up to His future return, and He commanded us to be watching those SIGNS?

Are you tired of some that claim to "just be ready" for when Jesus comes, and to "watch", but they don't actually know what it is we are supposed to "watch"? And Lord Jesus did command us to "watch" (Mark 13:37).

Those SIGNS are also the Seals of Revelation 6. But Lord Jesus taught them first in His Olivet discourse upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples (Matthew 24; Mark 13: and Luke 21). This means those Gospel Chapters of His Olivet discourse should be studied along with the SEALS given in Revelation 6. This is why the order of certain of the SEALS in Rev.6 appear out of order; it's because that is the written order of Jesus' Olivet discourse SIGNS relating to those SEALS. For example, the 1st Seal of Revelation 6 shows about a false rider on a white horse that mimic's how Jesus comes on a white horse per Rev.19:11. That is about the later event of a false-Messiah that comes during the "great tribulation," so it is not the very first event to happen at the end.

Who did Lord Jesus given His Olivet discourse SIGNS to, because some claim He wasn't giving this to His Church, but instead to the Jews? Jesus' disciples asked Him what would be the SIGN of His coming, and of the end of the world (Matt.24:3). He was talking to His disciples who were with Him upon the Mount of Olives, which represented part of the early foundation of His Church, per Ephesians 2:19-20.

And since those SIGNS He was giving upon the Mount of Olives are linked to the SEALS of Revelation 6, then just who did Lord Jesus give His Book of Revelation to? Revelation is given to His Church, to us, His servants, per Revelation 1:1. So don't listen to the knuckleheads out there that try to tell you Christ's Church is not meant to understand Jesus' Olivet discourse, for that is simply not true.

Here we go, and this will be like a Bible study in parts.

1st SEAL:
Rev 6:1-2
6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
KJV

The Greek word for "bow" in the above means one of 'cheap fabric' (toxon - NT:5115). In contrast to Christ's future coming on a white horse, and out of Jesus' mouth He wields a sword, and He will have many crowns (Rev.19:12-15). We also know this white horse rider of the 1st Seal cannot be Lord Jesus, simply because this one on the 1st Seal is shown prior... to man end time SIGNS that are to occur, while when Jesus returns, those SIGNS are done, over. This 1st Seal white horse rider represents the coming Antichrist, a false-Messiah that will play The Christ before Jesus returns to destroy him.

1st Seal-Olivet Parallel:
Matt 24:3-5
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in My name, saying, 'I am Christ'; and shall deceive many."
KJV

The parallel to the 1st Seal in Christ's Olive discourse is His warning to not allow any man to deceive us. Then He warns that "many" shall come in His name saying, "I am Christ." Even in my day there have been several men that have claimed to be The Christ, publicly. These are the "many antichrists" that Apostle John was pointing to. Yet John also pointed to the fact that a singular... antichrist shall also come, a fact that men's doctrines often miss...

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV

That phrase above in red is about a singular "antichrist", a certain one. And notice that John said the brethren there had already heard that singular "antichrist shall come". Where and when did they first hear that antichrist shall come? Jesus told them, per John 14:30. Then John tells them not just that, but that part above in purple, that "many antichrists" are already at work.

This subject about a singular antichrist that shall come, and... the many antichrists that are already at work, is about the "mystery of iniquity" which Apostle Paul mentioned in passing in 2 Thessalonians 2:7. That working goes back even to Old Testament times about the "workers of iniquity" (Job 31:3; Ps.28:3; Ps.37). It is about a certain group of men which God ordained to the condemnation of working against Christ (Jude 4).

Thus Lord Jesus' main warning so far is about the 1st Seal rider being a fake-Christ, mimicking how Jesus returns on a white horse.

2nd SEAL:
Rev 6:3-4
3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, "Come and see."
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
KJV

This 2nd Seal represents a war horse.

2nd Seal-Olivet Parallel:
Matt 24:6
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
KJV

The 2nd Seal red horse parallels Christ's warning above that we'd hear of wars and rumors of wars. But what about that last phrase He said that many leave out when they preach the above? The meaning is simple. That "end" Jesus points to is the "great tribulation" timing. Per Rev.13:4 it asks in that time who can make war with the beast? That Rev.13:4-8 Scripture reveals the Antichrist "dragon" will rule over all nations and peoples for 42 months, so that means he will control all the world's armies. He won't war against himself.

It means all... wars will have stopped in that future time when that "dragon" comes to power over the whole world. This is why Lord Jesus said to not be troubled as long as we hear of wars and rumors of wars, because those things must happen prior to the "end". Thus it's the "end" when we should be concerned, for that will be when the false-Messiah/Antichrist will show up and be crowned world leader over all nations and peoples.

DavyP · Sep 15, 2024

Part II

3rd Seal:
Rev 6:5-6
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, "Come and see." And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, "A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."
KJV

This "black horse" with the "balances" (or scales for measuring), represents world famine, runaway inflation. That price for a "measure of wheat" and "three measures of barley" relates to food prices, high prices just to buy a loaf of bread. But don't hurt the "oil" and the "wine" are symbols for God's Word and The Holy Spirit. It represents that for the end God will not cut off The Holy Spirit (like some of the Biblically unlearned claim He will), nor will He cut off the "wine" of understanding His Word for His elect in that future time of "great tribulation". As said in the Daniel 12:10 that the "wise" will understand.

3rd Seal-Olivet Parallel:
Mark 13:8
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
KJV

(I'm switching to the Mark 13 version of Christ's Olivet discourse for this next Seal

The wars and rumors of wars continue, which "famines" are usually the result of war, and this links to the 3rd Seal. Spiritually that idea of "famines" is about those who look for The Word of God and not finding it at the end...

Amos 8:9-12
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
KJV

4th Seal:
Rev 6:7-8
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, "Come and see."
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
KJV

Why would the KJV translators make that word for "Death" capitalized as a proper name? Who's name would that fit? Satan's, the devil, of course. That points to Satan being over those four methods of killing upon the earth. I'm not sure who it was, Senator Barry Goldwater I think, that summed up four main categories of control upon this earth to kill: with the financial (hunger), with the political (beasts: world controllers), with military (sword), with religion (death of the soul).

4th Seal-Olivet Parallel:
Mark 13:8
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
KJV

The 4th Seal is still actually about that time of "troubles" above, "the beginnings of sorrows". I strongly believe we are right here at this time today. Wars are still going on, and a time of troubles, especially spiritual, is touching more and more people in the world. We have political leaders that quite honestly appear insane. Evil acts are getting closer to our neighborhoods. I recall some passages in the Book of Isaiah that points to evil of the times...

Isa 5:18-20
18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
19 That say, "Let him make speed, and hasten His work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!"
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
KJV

That idea of "draw iniquity with cords of vanity" means like those who do evil and are proud of it, and pull a cart load full of their sins around for show n' tell.

Isa 17:4-5
4 And in that day it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean.
5 And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears in the valley of Rephaim.
KJV

The "Rephaim" is a word that represented the hybrid giants which the children of Israel came upon when they entered the lands of Canaan. That idea is that even going outside to harvest your fields will like harvesting in fear because of those hybrid giants in the area. God is giving that as a comparison of the wicked times at the end, not that hybrid giants are coming again.

DavyP · Sep 15, 2024

Part III

5th Seal:
Rev 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
KJV

Many brethren don't like to talk about that above event which is ordained for the coming time of "great tribulation" for some of Christ's servants. The reality of it though is that future event is HOW THOSE IN CHRIST MAKE WAR AGAINST THE FUTURE BEAST.

5th Seal-Olivet Parallel:
Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV

That is what Apostle Peter was showing in Acts 2 that the latter part of the Joel 2 Scripture is an 'example' of the above event that is to happen at the 'end', for the coming "great tribulation". That is when the cloven tongue of Pentecost will manifest to all... peoples, in all... languages and dialects of the world. One could say these trials and TESTIMONIES will probably be televised all over the world at the end.

And for those of us that are delivered up to give that TESTIMONY for Lord Jesus, it's very important that we do not think beforehand what we will say in that "hour", but speak what The Holy Spirit gives us to say. The Luke 21:15 version of this says that even all our "adversaries" won't be able to resist or gainsay against the words you will say by The Holy Spirit speaking through you!

6th Seal (1st Part):
Rev 6:12-13
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
KJV

The 6th Seal isn't usually noticed that it is in two parts, this first part is about the coming of that false white horse rider that will try to mimic Christ.

Who was the first star (angel) that fell from Heaven to the earth? Lucifer. And per Revelation 12:3-4 who drew one third of the "stars" (angel) to earth with him in that old world when he first rebelled in coveting God's Throne? Lucifer, that "red dragon". Thusly the one third of "stars" were the angels that followed Lucifer in that rebellion. Get the picture above then about those "stars" falling unto the earth?

But this event above is for the time of the beginning of the 6th Seal. That idea of those stars (angels) falling "even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs" is a bit of riddle, because you have to understand something about the horticulture of the middle east fig. There's such a thing as a Winter fig that grows in winter and then falls off in spring. It's an early fig. That's the "untimely fig" idea. Applied to the false coming of that false-Messiah/Antichrist at the end of this world, it means he comes first playing Christ, because per Lord Jesus His future coming is during symbolic summer harvest time (Matt.13:30; Matt.13:39).

So if you are gathered in symbolic "winter", it will mean what? It will mean you fell away to the false-Messiah that comes first in symbolic "winter", instead remaining "a chaste virgin" waiting on Jesus Christ to come in symbolic summer harvest time.

6th Seal-Olivet Parallel:
Matt 24:15-28
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

The placing of that "abomination of desolation" idol in a newly built Jewish temple in today's Jerusalem by the false-Messiah that comes first, is what sets off the time of the "great tribulation" Jesus will mention here in a later verse.

If you've studied the latter part of the Revelation 13 Chapter then you should already know what that abomination will be. It will be that "image of the beast" idol that Revelation 13 told us about, and all peoples will be required to bow in worship to its image, or be killed.

Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon in Daniel's day did this very idol abomination thing. Neb's false prophets, in order to trap Daniel and his fellows, had Nebuchadnezzar setup a gold idol image of himself, and demand that all bow in worship to it at the sound of the psalter (music instrument). Those false prophets then went around peeking on Daniel and his fellows to see if they would bow to it. Daniel and his fellows refused to worship that idol, and thus Nebuchadnezzar threw Daniel in a lion's den, and cast Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nigo into a hot fiery furnace heated seven times hotter than necessary. Neb saw a Fourth Man in that furnace with them, and when they came out their clothes didn't even smell of smoke. And Daniel was not harmed by the lions (See Daniel 3).

DavyP · Sep 15, 2024

Part IV

Matt.24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

I a study on another thread about those who will say, "Blessed are the barren..." which included the idea of those who woe with child. It's perfectly logical to think Jesus about the above Scripture in red that He was simply pointing to pregnant women during that "great tribulation" time. But the 'woe to those with child' metaphor was first given in Isaiah 54 about the married wife. In 1 Thessalonians 5:3 Apostle Paul applies it to the wicked and deceived who will be saying, "Peace and safety" at the end, and "sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child." And recall the idea of the untimely figs with that above "pray ye that your flight be not in the winter" idea. Our flight to Jesus Christ is to be at summer symbolic harvest time, remember?

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

I'm amazed at how some try to write this prophecy off for the end that Jesus gave here by attempting to apply that "great tribulation" to some point in past history. No, this event has not happened yet. And the placing of that "abomination of desolation" idol does require a new temple in Jerusalem built by the Jews. They even have the materials ready to built it today.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Lord Jesus shortened that future tribulation time. Per the layout of time in the Book of Daniel, the whole tribulation period originally was to be 1260 days, which means the latter half of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" (7 years). There is a place in Revelation where Lord Jesus revealed what He shortened this coming tribulation to, but I won't go into it here.

Matt.24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

Recall about Apostle John's idea of "antichrist" they hear shall come. This is that singular "antichrist" John mentioned first in 1 John 2:18. So Lord Jesus covered the idea of "many antichrists" back at Matt.24:5. But here Lord Jesus is pointing to the singular "antichrist" that shall come. It's important to be clear on that because some men have designed a false system to point you away from John's mention of a singular antichrist vs. the man antichrists.

Jesus commanded us, that if someone comes up to us and says that, "Lo, here is Christ, or there", do not believe it! Why? Because that will be the fake-Christ, the fake white horse rider on the 1st Seal that comes first. Lord Jesus even made that the 1st Seal of Rev.6 so we'd know that one is a fake-Christ that comes first trying to mimic Him.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

That phrase "false Christs" is the Greek word pseudochristos, made up of two words in the Greek; pseudo meaning false, and christos meaning Christ singular. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined that Greek word pseudochristos as 'a spurious Messiah'. So he agrees the KJV translators made a mistake translating that to plural "false Christs". The singular context of verse 23 & 26 also verifies this.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

This means two times... Lord Jesus is giving us this warning about the coming false-Messiah.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.

I'm using The Companion Bible, a KJV version that the 19th British scholar E.W. Bullinger put together. He captialized both of those "He" above, and rightly so, because that's about the fake trying to mimic the Real Christ, with the deceived claiming Jesus had come.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

When you see lightning strike, it is seen across the sky over a very wide range, miles. Many can see it. The idea is that Jesus' coming is going to be OBVIOUS TO ALL, even to the wicked, as every eye will see His coming per Rev.1. Others won't have to tell you about it.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

I have no doubt that Lord Jesus put that above verse Message there for those who have bothered to read what He said at the end of Luke 17 about the first one "taken", and His disciples asked Him, "Where, Lord?" The deceived will be like a spiritual dead "carcase", and will be wheresoever those fowls will be, so as to feast upon them. That is another type warning by Lord Jesus to WAIT on Him as a symbolic spiritual "chaste virgin", and don't fall away to the "another Jesus" that comes first.

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 16, 2024

DavyP said:

It sounds as though you are attempting to EQUATE this passage (in BOLD ^ ) which is talking specifically about "they which be IN JUDAEA" (not everyone EVERYWHERE) who are the ones instructed to "FLEE [ACTIVE--ACTIVELY *FLEE*] to the mountains" corresponding with Rev12:6,14 (not who are "passively CAUGHT-UP / SNATCHED [by Another]" [i.e. "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"]).

Things that are DIFFERENT are NOT the SAME.

We are not simply to ignore all these distinctions, blurring things together into one mish-mash of mush (as if they were the "same" things).

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 16, 2024

DavyP said:

Two sources I just looked at show that the word is (in v.24):

-- "pseudochristoi [plural]"

--at BlueLetterBible - ψευδόχριστοι [plural] - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/24/20/t_conc_953024

--and at BibleHub - ψευδόχριστοι / pseudochristoi [plural] - https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/24-24.htm

... so I'm not really convinced of your point regarding verse 24, here.

Three of my hardcopy interlinears (at hand) also show the Greek word to be "ψευδόχριστοι" in v.24 (which is the plural form, just as is shown at the above two links--not "pseudochristos [singular]" as suggested by the OP [Post #4]).

[for the readers: I believe the reference to the "[singular]" person we understand as "Antichrist" is spoken of much earlier in the chapter (thus, earlier "time-wise" as well--i.e. at the START of the "7 yr period"), which I've posted about numerous times, so I won't elaborate here in this post

This post was intended just to cover the Greek word in verse 24... I see the "plural" form of that word in verse 24, in the several sources I've checked thus far, as mentioned above]

cv5 · Sep 16, 2024

DavyP said:

To whom and for what purpose given the context of the time frame and location Jesus God specifies?

2Th 1:10
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

DavyP · Sep 16, 2024

Part V

This 2nd Part of the 6th Seal is about the day of Christ's future coming to end the future "great tribulation" and this present world time.

6th Seal (Part 2):
Rev 6:14-17
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

That above event is repeated in Revelation 16:20 about the final 7th Vial being poured out on the last day of this present world. It is also referring to the time that Apostle Peter showed in 2 Peter 3:10 when God's "consuming fire" will burn man's works off the surface of this earth on the last day.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
KJV

At that point the whole world will see Christ coming in the clouds with power and glory, bringing the 'asleep' saints with Him once they are resurrected on that day, and then those of us still alive on that day are "caught up" to Him and His asleep saints.

6th Seal (Part 2) - Olivet Parallel:
Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

Did you notice how Christ's Olivet discourse is following the order of the Seals given in Revelation 6? The above is about the day of Christ's future coming AFTER the tribulation to gather His Church, which is the same day when the 7th Vial of God's cup of wrath is poured out upon the earth, ending this present world time.

In the above Matthew 24 version, Jesus points to His gathering of the asleep saints that Apostle Paul taught of in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16. Paul said Jesus will bring those asleep saints that have died with Him when He comes. Paul also showed those asleep saints must be resurrected first, further confirming the timing for this being the very last day of this present world, after the tribulation like Jesus said above.

In the Mark 13:24-27 version of the above, Jesus shows His gathering of the saints that are still alive from the earth, further linking 1 Thessalonians 4:17 verse with the day of Christ's coming to gather His Church on the last day of this world.

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 16, 2024

cv5 said:

Amen, brother.

All of the biblically-defined *signs* take place FOLLOWING "our Rapture"...

... and LEAD UP TO (pointing toward) His Second Coming TO THE EARTH time-slot (Rev19).

(Not to "our Rapture".)

["the beginning of birth PANGS"="the SEALS" of Rev6... BOTH CONTEXTS of which take place FOLLOWING "our Rapture"]

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 16, 2024

DavyP said:

There is no text, here, stating "gathered" in winter.

The text states, instead, that they are to pray that their "FLIGHT" (referring back to the "ACTIVE *FLEE*" instruction a few verses prior) "be not in winter" (neither on the sabbath).

[let the readers compare this with Rev12:6,14's "fly / fled"... and WHO it pertains to in particular]

DavyP · Sep 16, 2024

Part VI

Continuing in Matthew 24...

Jesus gave this Olivet discourse in answer to His disciple's question of what would be the sign of Jesus' coming, and of the end of this present world time. In the next verses He is going to give another SIGN that places these other SIGNS covered previously in the ballpark of the end times. No man knows the day or hour of Jesus' future coming, yet He did give us SIGNS to be watching that lead up to that day of His coming.

Matt 24:32-42
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

There's no need for confusion about the above "parable of the fig tree" and what timing it is pointing to. It's actually very simple. Lord Jesus uses the idea of the fig tree's tender branches putting forth leaves as an indication that summer harvest time is near, which symbolic summer harvest is related to the day of His future coming.

That "generation" is about the final "generation" living upon this earth that will see Christ's future coming. They will not die out until ALL "these things", (SIGNS Jesus gave), have been fulfilled. So don't pay attention to those who like to steer you away from that simple Truth about the final "generation" on earth that will experience Christ's future coming to gather His Church on the last day. And when you read that 35th verse about "Heaven and earth shall pass away...", then you should well know Lord Jesus is speaking of the very last day of this world with His future coming, like was shown in Revelation with Heaven departing as a scroll when it is rolled up (Rev.6:14).

Who do those figs in Christ's above parable represent?

In Jeremiah 24, God gave His prophet Jeremiah a vision of two baskets of figs...

Jer 24:2-3
2 One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.
3 Then said the LORD unto me, "What seest thou, Jeremiah?" And I said, "Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil."
KJV

We well know that figs are not "evil", so God is showing Jeremiah these two baskets of figs to represent certain peoples.

Jer 24:5-6
5 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.

6 For I will set Mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.
KJV

The prophet Jeremiah was in that captivity of Judah by the king of Babylon to the city of ancient Babylon. That last part in red above is God's Promise that He would bring both baskets of figs back to the holy land and NOT "pluck them up" again, meaning the good figs symbolic for Judah (Jews), and the evil figs representative of the "tares" (see Matthew 13).

That above prophecy did not begin being fulfilled until long after 70 A.D., since the Roman army in 70 A.D. destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd temple back then, and dispersed the "house of Judah" through the countries, what the Jews call the Disaspora. Only in the latter centuries did many of the Jews of the "house of Judah" begin returned to the holy land, and especially in 1948 when by United Nations Charter vote Israel became a nation again.

So far then, this Jeremiah 24 prophecy has been fulfilled about Judah's return. (Yet the majority of the ten lost tribes of Israel are still scattered, and won't be gathered until Jesus returns. Most of the ten tribes don't even know who they are today. And Judah, the Jews, certainly do not know who or where the majority of the ten tribes are either.)

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

No man knows the exact day or hour of Christ's future coming. So when you see someone trying to estimate that day with date setting, you know they really don't know, so whatever dates they prognosticate you know to disregard. I mean, Lord Jesus gave us the SIGNS of the END leading up to the ballpark of His future coming, and those SIGNS are what He commanded us to be watching.

This is why the man-made pre-trib rapture doctrine tries to tell their believers that this Olivet discourse isn't for His Church, but for the Jews. They don't want their deceived believers knowing about these SIGNS of the END that Lord Jesus gave His Church. "Just be ready...", and "no mans knows the day or hour", they will say, steering brethren away... from watching the very SIGNS of the end that Jesus gave His Church so we wouldn't have to guess about what to expect in the latter days. Like God said in Isaiah 42:9, new things He declares, before they spring forth He tells us of them.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

That is NOT about some pre-trib rapture doctrine made up by men. Noah's ark was closed and sealed by our Heavenly Father. And the ark was upon the height of the flood waters for 150 days before the flood waters began receding. So Noah and his did not have to leave the earth, they instead rode the flood waters out! That is what those in Christ are to do through the coming "great tribulation" too. Lord Jesus Christ is now our Ark of Protection to go through the tribulation while waiting on His coming.

Jesus is looking for servants that have the intestinal fortitude to stay with His program, doing His work, while waiting for His future return.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
KJV

For more of the above story, see the latter part of Luke 17 where He said the same thing, and His disciples asked Him, "Where, Lord?" of where those first ones "taken" would be taken to. Jesus then answered, and showed those will be like a dead "carcase" wheresoever the fowls are (Matt.24:28). That idea is about the deceived that are those 1st ones "taken". That Message was first mentioned back in Isaiah 28 about those who disregard study of God's Word precept upon precept, line upon line, and thus they would fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (Isaiah 28:13). It means 'taken' in deception.

And just WHAT... is it that those in Christ are supposed to WATCH, like Jesus commanded above? Do I really need to say it again?

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 16, 2024

TheDivineWatermark said:

Just to add, further, here:

--all 46 translations shown here have the correct "plural" form - https://biblehub.com/parallel/matthew/24-24.htm

--all of the numerous translations listed here also show the correct "plural" form - https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew 24:24

I've not seen one source yet suggesting the "singular" form (in v.24).

I think you've gotten some bad / faulty information, on this point, sorry to say.

So I'd have to say that this [whole] point you're making about verse 24, the actual "plural" form used there does not support *your idea*.

DavyP · Sep 16, 2024

Part VII

Matt 24:43-51
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

What's that idea of a "watch"? The Hebrews used three periods of military watches originally, and later because of the Romans and Greeks added a forth one. From sunset to 10 p.m. was the first watch, from 10 p.m. to 2 a.m. was the second watch, and from 2 a.m. to sunrise was the third watch. Each watch period was thus four hours long.

How does Lord Jesus means this, that IF... the goodman had known in what watch the thief would come...? Even with knowing the watch, one still does not know the day or hour. So per the SIGNS Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse about the END, those SIGNS represent knowing in what 'watch' the thief will come.

In Revelation 3:3, Lord Jesus gave a curious little revealing about this idea of the 'watch' to the Church of Sardis...

Rev 3:3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
KJV

I thought Lord Jesus said that no man knows the day or hour of His coming? That's right, we don't know. That's why He did give us the SIGNS leading up to it for us to be watching. So there again, Jesus is showing how He wants us to be watching... those SIGNS of the end that He gave us.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

Did you know that these SIGNS of the end that Jesus gave His Church, and commanded us to be watching, is that "meat in due season"? That's about the "strong meat" of His Word that Apostle Paul rebuked some for not having gotten to, but were still sucking like babes still on the "milk" of God's Word (Hebrews 5).

When Jesus does return, and He finds His servants giving their household that "meat in due season", those servants will be blessed.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, "My lord delayeth his coming";
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV

Then the opposite of that are those who turn to evil, not watching those SIGNS He gave, and thus do not know about "the times and the seasons" that Apostle Paul also showed about signs of the end in 1 Thessalonians 5.

If you've understood these Scriptures I've covered in this thread, then you should know the SIGNS Jesus gave us to be watching for leading up to His future return. You should now look upon those who say, "just be ready", or "no man knows when Jesus will come", etc., that they are not following Christ's command to watch, because they don't know what it is they are supposed to be watching.

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 16, 2024

DavyP said:

These passages saying "But of that day and hour KNOWETH no man...," the word "KNOWETH / KNOWS" is in the "PERFECT INDICATIVE"... which means that BEFORE and UP TO the time Jesus spoke this, no one knew; but it does NOT mean that no one CAN / WILL ever "know". NO!

After Jesus' ascension, He then KNEW perfectly, and THEN some 60+ years LATER, He disclosed FURTHER INFORMATION on THAT VERY SUBJECT in the (95ad-written) "Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [unto Jesus] TO SHEW UNTO..." (verse 1--referring to the Book of Revelation, where THAT INFO [on THAT very Subject--His Second Coming to the earth (and its TIMING issues)] was disclosed [and very meticulously], by Jesus).

Those who will find themselves IN the Trib years (that the bulk of Rev is covering the Subject of) SHOULD be able to "know," BY READING [/hearing] its contents (coupled with the rest of Scripture), as to the general "timing" of His "RETURN" to the earth in Rev19 (the Subject of Matt24:36, etc)... IF they will but HEED His word... (but we know that many will NOT heed His word, just "as in the days of Noah" they disregarded His Word via Noah, and thus "perished" in the flood-judgment). But yeah, He disclosed that very information there (some 60+ years LATER, from when He had spoken these words about "KNOWETH [PERFECT INDICATIVE] no man" not even Himself, at the time spoken. But this is NO LONGER APPLICABLE. Because HE KNOWS, and He DISCLOSED IT later in 95ad in the writing of the Book of Revelation).

It simply is not true that Jesus STILL DOESN'T KNOW.
And from there (that false idea), many take their first mis-step in [/from] "understanding" things aright. Which is too bad, because Scripture has MUCH MORE TO SAY about its "timing" than many realize.

Cameron143 · Sep 16, 2024

DavyP said:

Part I

Did you know that Lord Jesus gave us specific SIGNS of the end of this world leading up to His future return, and He commanded us to be watching those SIGNS?

Are you tired of some that claim to "just be ready" for when Jesus comes, and to "watch", but they don't actually know what it is we are supposed to "watch"? And Lord Jesus did command us to "watch" (Mark 13:37).

Those SIGNS are also the Seals of Revelation 6. But Lord Jesus taught them first in His Olivet discourse upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples (Matthew 24; Mark 13: and Luke 21). This means those Gospel Chapters of His Olivet discourse should be studied along with the SEALS given in Revelation 6. This is why the order of certain of the SEALS in Rev.6 appear out of order; it's because that is the written order of Jesus' Olivet discourse SIGNS relating to those SEALS. For example, the 1st Seal of Revelation 6 shows about a false rider on a white horse that mimic's how Jesus comes on a white horse per Rev.19:11. That is about the later event of a false-Messiah that comes during the "great tribulation," so it is not the very first event to happen at the end.

Who did Lord Jesus given His Olivet discourse SIGNS to, because some claim He wasn't giving this to His Church, but instead to the Jews? Jesus' disciples asked Him what would be the SIGN of His coming, and of the end of the world (Matt.24:3). He was talking to His disciples who were with Him upon the Mount of Olives, which represented part of the early foundation of His Church, per Ephesians 2:19-20.

And since those SIGNS He was giving upon the Mount of Olives are linked to the SEALS of Revelation 6, then just who did Lord Jesus give His Book of Revelation to? Revelation is given to His Church, to us, His servants, per Revelation 1:1. So don't listen to the knuckleheads out there that try to tell you Christ's Church is not meant to understand Jesus' Olivet discourse, for that is simply not true.

Here we go, and this will be like a Bible study in parts.

1st SEAL:
Rev 6:1-2
6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
KJV

The Greek word for "bow" in the above means one of 'cheap fabric' (toxon - NT:5115). In contrast to Christ's future coming on a white horse, and out of Jesus' mouth He wields a sword, and He will have many crowns (Rev.19:12-15). We also know this white horse rider of the 1st Seal cannot be Lord Jesus, simply because this one on the 1st Seal is shown prior... to man end time SIGNS that are to occur, while when Jesus returns, those SIGNS are done, over. This 1st Seal white horse rider represents the coming Antichrist, a false-Messiah that will play The Christ before Jesus returns to destroy him.

1st Seal-Olivet Parallel:
Matt 24:3-5
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in My name, saying, 'I am Christ'; and shall deceive many."
KJV

The parallel to the 1st Seal in Christ's Olive discourse is His warning to not allow any man to deceive us. Then He warns that "many" shall come in His name saying, "I am Christ." Even in my day there have been several men that have claimed to be The Christ, publicly. These are the "many antichrists" that Apostle John was pointing to. Yet John also pointed to the fact that a singular... antichrist shall also come, a fact that men's doctrines often miss...

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV

That phrase above in red is about a singular "antichrist", a certain one. And notice that John said the brethren there had already heard that singular "antichrist shall come". Where and when did they first hear that antichrist shall come? Jesus told them, per John 14:30. Then John tells them not just that, but that part above in purple, that "many antichrists" are already at work.

This subject about a singular antichrist that shall come, and... the many antichrists that are already at work, is about the "mystery of iniquity" which Apostle Paul mentioned in passing in 2 Thessalonians 2:7. That working goes back even to Old Testament times about the "workers of iniquity" (Job 31:3; Ps.28:3; Ps.37). It is about a certain group of men which God ordained to the condemnation of working against Christ (Jude 4).

Thus Lord Jesus' main warning so far is about the 1st Seal rider being a fake-Christ, mimicking how Jesus returns on a white horse.

2nd SEAL:
Rev 6:3-4
3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, "Come and see."
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
KJV

This 2nd Seal represents a war horse.

2nd Seal-Olivet Parallel:
Matt 24:6
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
KJV

The 2nd Seal red horse parallels Christ's warning above that we'd hear of wars and rumors of wars. But what about that last phrase He said that many leave out when they preach the above? The meaning is simple. That "end" Jesus points to is the "great tribulation" timing. Per Rev.13:4 it asks in that time who can make war with the beast? That Rev.13:4-8 Scripture reveals the Antichrist "dragon" will rule over all nations and peoples for 42 months, so that means he will control all the world's armies. He won't war against himself.

It means all... wars will have stopped in that future time when that "dragon" comes to power over the whole world. This is why Lord Jesus said to not be troubled as long as we hear of wars and rumors of wars, because those things must happen prior to the "end". Thus it's the "end" when we should be concerned, for that will be when the false-Messiah/Antichrist will show up and be crowned world leader over all nations and peoples.

Actually, Jesus gave His disciples signs concerning the end and told them to watch. Paul also told the churches to look for His coming and then told them a mystery...some of them who Paul was writing to would witness the Lord's coming.
So...the end of what is in view?

TheDivineWatermark · Sep 16, 2024

DavyP said:

And the parallel passage (to this Matt24 section ^ ) is found in Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44,45-48, where v.36 states, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." (i.e. as an "ALREADY-WED Bridegroom, JUST AS Rev19:7 shows!)... THEN "the meal [G347]" v.37 (i.e. the earthly MK age; just as Rev19:9 shows takes place next in the chronology, from that point).

What this means is, that the ones in Matt24:42-51 / Lk12:36-48 (who are located ON THE EARTH "when" He shall "RETURN FROM the wedding") ARE NOT *US*!

Blade · Sep 16, 2024

I dont think Davy is here to chat

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