The Pact for the Future

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
35,166
6,256
113
#1
https://www.youtube.com/live/pM5JmkDs6hI?si=qunr5Ry67DA0Vlwy&t=2922

This is a very short clip about the Pact for the Future, but it ties in directly with many Biblical prophecies. The Pact for the Future document was recently passed by the UN this last weekend.

It was passed by the "silence" procedure. If no one objects they assume everyone has voted for it. The clip about the Pact is less than 3 minutes long.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
35,166
6,256
113
#2
Why is this in the conspiracy thread, it is news.
 
Aug 31, 2024
20
11
3
#3
Why is this in the conspiracy thread, it is news.
Probably because it's going to get conspiratorial very quickly....lol
I watched the vid and yes that is what they would like to do to us , but I have heard that the UN no longer has any teeth.

From what I understand the white hats are now in control and are simply showing us what the black hats had intended for us.
Apparently the idea is to put this stuff out there in the hope of waking up the sleeping general public.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
35,166
6,256
113
#4
Probably because it's going to get conspiratorial very quickly....lol
I watched the vid and yes that is what they would like to do to us , but I have heard that the UN no longer has any teeth.

From what I understand the white hats are now in control and are simply showing us what the black hats had intended for us.
Apparently the idea is to put this stuff out there in the hope of waking up the sleeping general public.
Everyone has an opinion, but the Bible is the truth.
 
Aug 31, 2024
20
11
3
#5
Everyone has an opinion, but the Bible is the truth.
Sorry for the misunderstanding and your right , the bible prophecies will come about.
It's just that from what i'm seeing and hearing at the moment , this Globalist NWO is failing due to Trump and the global coalition draining the swamp and dismantling the deep state.

So i'm looking down the track at "OUR" new world order after the deep state has been obliterated.
And from what i'm hearing , from a christian perspective it doesn't look good.

Yes all the people in the freedom movement can't wait for OUR NWO , they say it's going to be fantastic.
But it's what comes with it that concerns me.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
35,166
6,256
113
#6
Sorry for the misunderstanding and your right , the bible prophecies will come about.
It's just that from what i'm seeing and hearing at the moment , this Globalist NWO is failing due to Trump and the global coalition draining the swamp and dismantling the deep state.

So i'm looking down the track at "OUR" new world order after the deep state has been obliterated.
And from what i'm hearing , from a christian perspective it doesn't look good.

Yes all the people in the freedom movement can't wait for OUR NWO , they say it's going to be fantastic.
But it's what comes with it that concerns me.
The globalists see something you don't, which is the total destruction of the US, the Great Babylon, in one hour. It will be the biggest black swan event in human history and everything changes after that.
 
Aug 31, 2024
20
11
3
#7
The globalists see something you don't, which is the total destruction of the US, the Great Babylon, in one hour. It will be the biggest black swan event in human history and everything changes after that.
Well we are expecting some kind of financial armageddon to occur but it won't be the globalists doing it.
From what I hear it will be the white hats doing this , to bring down the old globalist system , and that it won't last long because they want to avoid a Mad Max scenario.

Apparently the white hats want to avoid any civil war so it's going to be a controlled collapse and not total destruction.
And that's one of my points , many in the freedom movement believe we the human race are destroying Satan and his power over us through his globalist luciferian elites and those who are paid big bucks to do as they are told.

To many it's going to look biblical , but we christians know very well that Satans demise will be with the return of our saviour and lord Jesus Christ and not untill then.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
35,166
6,256
113
#8
Well we are expecting some kind of financial armageddon to occur but it won't be the globalists doing it.
From what I hear it will be the white hats doing this , to bring down the old globalist system , and that it won't last long because they want to avoid a Mad Max scenario.

Apparently the white hats want to avoid any civil war so it's going to be a controlled collapse and not total destruction.
And that's one of my points , many in the freedom movement believe we the human race are destroying Satan and his power over us through his globalist luciferian elites and those who are paid big bucks to do as they are told.

To many it's going to look biblical , but we christians know very well that Satans demise will be with the return of our saviour and lord Jesus Christ and not untill then.
I expect the Lord's return begins with the rapture this Fall.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
35,166
6,256
113
#10
Dates! I love dates!!
Knowing this first

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I was taught that you need ten verses at a minimum before you can build a doctrine. I was also taught that the doctrine cannot contradict the Bible. We have all had to deal with the doctrine that “no one knows the day or the hour”. I am going to skip Matthew 24:36 because the context is the new heaven and new earth. But Matthew 24:42 is about the rapture:

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

And so is verse 44

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

And also verse 50

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

And so is Matthew 25:13

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

So we have four verses in Matthew, not one verse in Mark, and in Luke we have the following three verses:

Luke 12:39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Luke 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

I say this because a strong case can be made to say that the three synoptic gospels are to three different groups. Matthew is to the last ones taken, the Jews (the first shall be last and the last first). Mark is to the left behind saints and Luke is to those raptured before the trial that is to come upon the whole earth. We see some problems with the doctrine. In Luke there is no mention that “no one knows” on the contrary it seems like a punishment to not know to those who weren’t watching. Verse 46 is clear, “the Lord of that servant will come in a day that he looketh not for Him”. So then, who is “that” servant?

Luke 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

So already, just by looking at the seven verses that this doctrine is built on I have serious questions about whether or not the Lord ever told us we would not know the day or even the hour of the rapture prior to the trial that is to come upon the whole earth. The rapture that Luke is referring to. But then consider the type of Elijah being raptured. The bible makes it very clear that he did know the day that he would be raptured.

2 Kings 2:3 And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.

Likewise Noah entered the ark seven days before the flood, and he knew when to enter the ark because Methuselah died. That was a prophecy telling him when the end would come. He didn’t know the day or the hour that Methuselah would die, but he did know when he did die then the end had come. Jesus said it would be as the days of Noah. The same thing with Lot, he was told that the city would be destroyed and had around a 12 hour notice to get out of town. Abraham was given even more warning than Lot was. Jesus said it would be as the days of Lot. Noah did not know the day or the hour of the flood when he got the vision from God, Abraham did not know the day and the hour of the destruction of Sodom when God called him out of Er of the Chaldees, and no reason to believe Elijah was told the day and the hour of his rapture when his ministry began. So the conflict is not with the Lord’s word, but with the interpretation of that word.

Then consider this word to Sardis

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Not knowing the hour is a rebuke to those who are not watching. That thoroughly solves the conundrum. The Lord’s second coming is like a pregnant woman giving birth. You don’t know ahead of time the day and the hour that the baby will be born, that is why you must watch and why you must be ready to go in an instant. In the same way, you don’t know the hour or day that a thief will break in and rob the place, that is why you have night watchmen. However, if the watchmen are good and your security is good you will see the thief trying to break in and you will prevent them. This is why the conclusion of “no one knows the day or the hour” is that you must watch. There is a crown for those who love the Lord’s appearing (2 Timothy 4:8). There is a reward for the parents who were watching and ready for the baby to be born, there is a reward for the night watchman who catches the thief and prevents the place from being robbed.

Therefore I disagree that the Lord said we cannot know the day and the hour of His coming. Instead I believe that what He actually said is that many of the believers will be caught by surprise and that will be to their shame. However, there will be those who are watching when He returns, are not caught by surprise, and they will get a reward. Abraham will have helped Lot find salvation. Noah will have also found salvation in the ark. Lot will have found salvation. Elisha will get a double portion of the Spirit that Elijah had.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
35,166
6,256
113
#11
For example -- does the Bible tell us the day and hour that Jesus would be crucified?

God did not tell Abraham. But from Isaiah and Daniel you could deduce that Jesus would be crucified and you could even determine the year. Then at the start of the ministry John the Baptist tells us "behold the lamb of God" so you could also determine that Jesus was the Passover lamb. Knowing that would have given you the year, the day and the hour that Jesus would be crucified. But even if you were slow to believe all that the prophets had said if you were walking with Jesus prior to His crucifixion He told the disciples plainly He was going to Jerusalem to be crucified. The closer you got the clearer and plainer was the warning so that on the night He was betrayed He was very clear with dates and times. Then Jesus rebuked the Jews for not knowing the day of deliverance.

because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation


Luke 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
 
Jul 5, 2023
2,010
725
113
65
Colorado, USA
#12
Knowing this first

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I was taught that you need ten verses at a minimum before you can build a doctrine. I was also taught that the doctrine cannot contradict the Bible. We have all had to deal with the doctrine that “no one knows the day or the hour”. I am going to skip Matthew 24:36 because the context is the new heaven and new earth. But Matthew 24:42 is about the rapture:

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

And so is verse 44

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

And also verse 50

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

And so is Matthew 25:13

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

So we have four verses in Matthew, not one verse in Mark, and in Luke we have the following three verses:

Luke 12:39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Luke 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

I say this because a strong case can be made to say that the three synoptic gospels are to three different groups. Matthew is to the last ones taken, the Jews (the first shall be last and the last first). Mark is to the left behind saints and Luke is to those raptured before the trial that is to come upon the whole earth. We see some problems with the doctrine. In Luke there is no mention that “no one knows” on the contrary it seems like a punishment to not know to those who weren’t watching. Verse 46 is clear, “the Lord of that servant will come in a day that he looketh not for Him”. So then, who is “that” servant?

Luke 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

So already, just by looking at the seven verses that this doctrine is built on I have serious questions about whether or not the Lord ever told us we would not know the day or even the hour of the rapture prior to the trial that is to come upon the whole earth. The rapture that Luke is referring to. But then consider the type of Elijah being raptured. The bible makes it very clear that he did know the day that he would be raptured.

2 Kings 2:3 And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.

Likewise Noah entered the ark seven days before the flood, and he knew when to enter the ark because Methuselah died. That was a prophecy telling him when the end would come. He didn’t know the day or the hour that Methuselah would die, but he did know when he did die then the end had come. Jesus said it would be as the days of Noah. The same thing with Lot, he was told that the city would be destroyed and had around a 12 hour notice to get out of town. Abraham was given even more warning than Lot was. Jesus said it would be as the days of Lot. Noah did not know the day or the hour of the flood when he got the vision from God, Abraham did not know the day and the hour of the destruction of Sodom when God called him out of Er of the Chaldees, and no reason to believe Elijah was told the day and the hour of his rapture when his ministry began. So the conflict is not with the Lord’s word, but with the interpretation of that word.

Then consider this word to Sardis

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Not knowing the hour is a rebuke to those who are not watching. That thoroughly solves the conundrum. The Lord’s second coming is like a pregnant woman giving birth. You don’t know ahead of time the day and the hour that the baby will be born, that is why you must watch and why you must be ready to go in an instant. In the same way, you don’t know the hour or day that a thief will break in and rob the place, that is why you have night watchmen. However, if the watchmen are good and your security is good you will see the thief trying to break in and you will prevent them. This is why the conclusion of “no one knows the day or the hour” is that you must watch. There is a crown for those who love the Lord’s appearing (2 Timothy 4:8). There is a reward for the parents who were watching and ready for the baby to be born, there is a reward for the night watchman who catches the thief and prevents the place from being robbed.

Therefore I disagree that the Lord said we cannot know the day and the hour of His coming. Instead I believe that what He actually said is that many of the believers will be caught by surprise and that will be to their shame. However, there will be those who are watching when He returns, are not caught by surprise, and they will get a reward. Abraham will have helped Lot find salvation. Noah will have also found salvation in the ark. Lot will have found salvation. Elisha will get a double portion of the Spirit that Elijah had.
So when you're wrong, you'll take the false prophet's punishment?
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
35,166
6,256
113
#13
Why? I have not claimed that "thus saith the Lord". I am interpreting the Bible, there is no "false prophet's punishment" for reading the Bible and interpreting it.

A prophecy can be fulfilled and it is still made by a false prophet and that false prophet is to be stoned to death. Not because the prediction they made didn't come true, but because they led people away from God.

So the real false prophet here are the ones telling us not to read the Bible, not to look at Revelation, not to look at the prophecies, not to look at current events and not to take heed to what the Lord says.

Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
35,166
6,256
113
#15
I do agree that the false prophets will be stoned. After the rapture all those who were deceived by these false prophets telling them to ignore everything going on around them will be put to death, just like the prophets of Baal put to death by Elijah.

I understand people saying "no one knows the day or the hour", that is a valid stance. But how can they say no one knows the year? All you have to do is take the prophecies in Ezekiel, the law in Leviticus and the year that Israel returned to the land and from that you can calculate the year. You can check your math by looking at the year that the temple was destroyed (70 AD), the year that Israel regained control of Jerusalem (1967) and the year that the US and two other countries recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel (2017). You can cross reference this with the Revelation 12 sign in the heavens in 2017 which was a seven year warning. In this way you have two different ways to check your math. Everything points to the year in 2024 that begins with Rosh Hashanah. Anyone who loves the Lord's appearing would do this and anyone who tells you not to read Leviticus, Ezekiel, and Revelation are clearly false prophets trying to lead you away from God. Don't worry they will receive a false prophets punishment.

In addition we know that Jesus was crucified at "seedtime" and that the rapture will be at "harvest time".

We know it will come as a thief in the night.

We know that immediately before His coming the friends of Jesus will be blowing the trumpets, saying the Bridegroom cometh. Very likely that would be on the Feast of Trumpets (Oct 2-4). God has given us these dress rehearsals because He is God and there is no other that can tell you the end from the beginning.

We know there will be three days of darkness. When Jesus was crucified He said "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me" and that will be the cry of those believers who are in the Body of Christ that are left behind. Jesus was in the tomb for three days, they will also have three days of darkness.

At this time the fallen angels will be cast out of heaven to the streets of the world. They will be walking to and fro just as the Raven that Noah released and just like Satan in the book of Job chapter 1. At that time if you look out your window you will see the reality of a horror movie. However, the synagogue of Satan will be made to come before the feet of the Saints who were raptured and of the dead who were in Christ and rose. After those three days there will be the Lord's table where the Lord will once again appear to the left behind to let them know they have not been forsaken.

All of this has been given to us clearly in the word of God, and we have been told to keep the Lord's table, which is our dress rehearsal for the rapture. So anyone who is ignorant of these things and teaches others also will be held to account.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
35,166
6,256
113
#16
Who is the Prince of the Covenant that Just Launched the Tribulation? We NAME NAMES!

 
Jul 5, 2023
2,010
725
113
65
Colorado, USA
#17
Why? I have not claimed that "thus saith the Lord". I am interpreting the Bible, there is no "false prophet's punishment" for reading the Bible and interpreting it.

A prophecy can be fulfilled and it is still made by a false prophet and that false prophet is to be stoned to death. Not because the prediction they made didn't come true, but because they led people away from God.

So the real false prophet here are the ones telling us not to read the Bible, not to look at Revelation, not to look at the prophecies, not to look at current events and not to take heed to what the Lord says.

Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
I would love to be around in 2068 to say "I told you so", but I'd be 109, so that's probably not going to happen.