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Jesus used parables to fulfill prophecy,
And to teach doctrine.

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it is true some of the disciples did not understand at some point but note that after Jesus resurrection when the spirit was sent to all who believed, they understood, same today, people who received the Holy Spirit that jesus said he would send ""the comforter" understand, Peter was quite correct in saying that Paul's texts, far more complex in structure and vocabulary was difficult to understand for the common man. Still today we see very different interpretations to most of Paul's verses and concepts, definitely not easy to understand. so many denominations for so many different interpretations. For My part I rely fully on the words of Jesus and seldom quote Paul for clarity.
This all proves my point. It does not prove your point that Jesus was always easy to understand. The parables were never understood by the Jews during His time who did not believe in Him. It was only the disciples that Jesus gave the meaning of the parable to. Also, while the Holy Spirit was given to the apostles, that did not mean they could not make mistakes based on wrong thinking. Peter made a mistake whereby Paul had to rebuke him to his face. Paul made a mistake in going back to Jerusalem and allowing the Jewish Christian elders to convince him to go through with an OT ritual.

As for understanding Paul: The veil of Paul is easily lifted if:

#1. One reads Paul's words in light of the false heresy of Circumcision Salvationism for Initial Salvation in Acts 15 in the KJV.
#2. One understands that Paul was referring many times to Initial Salvation and that he was not teaching that we can later abide in sin with the thinking we are saved all because we have a belief alone in Jesus (i.e., Easy Believism). Yes, we are saved initially by faith (a belief alone) in Jesus, but that is not how the faith continues. The faith continues with Sanctification of the Holy Spirit to live a holy life pleasing to God.


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And exactly which copies of the Hebrew and Greek are you suggesting?

The BHS and UBS v4 are the standards.

And I know plenty of Saved People who know nothing about Hebrew or Greek.
The scholar I always learn from does not work with only one manuscript.

Whichever manuscript you have chosen?
How much are you able to really understand?
How well do you understand idiomatic word usage?
How well can you determine what ellipsis leaves out?
What a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th class condition can totally change what one assumes to be so?
How well do you understand how a word had changed in meaning for various periods in history?
How well do you understand a background of a passage, as to know why what was said implied at the time of writing?

There is so many things to know that most Christians have no idea even exists.
 
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The scholar I always learn from does not work with only one manuscript.

Whichever manuscript you have chosen?
How much are you able to really understand?
How well do you understand idiomatic word usage?
How well can you determine what ellipsis leaves out?
What a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th class condition can totally change what one assumes to be so?
How well do you understand how a word had changed in meaning for various periods in history?
How well do you understand a background of a passage, as to know why what was said implied at the time of writing?

There is so many things to know that most Christians have no idea even exists.
Not all Greek manuscripts agree with each other. They say different things. So if a person uses multiple Greek manuscripts, they have to decide for you or you have to know the Greek to be able to decide. In my book, it is too risky to trust any one man to get the understanding from the Scriptures. They could be deceiving you on certain things in the Bible. We are supposed to study to shew ourselves approved unto God. It is also illogical to hold to a multi-manuscript tradition position (Like mixing Alexandrian texts with Byzantine texts). There is no history of such a practice.


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The Bible never mandates that we must learn Greek to understand God.
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Pastor-teachers are mandated to do that for us.
Sad to say... You would never know that from what too many present today.

One pastor I knew, wrote telling me that the word used in John 1:18 is used to command pastors,
to faithfully exegete the Scriptures. It is the same Greek word used to describe the function of Jesus
towards mankind for us to be able to understand God.

He told me that John 1:18, tells us in the Greek that Jesus exegetes the Father for us.


John 1:18​
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest
relationship with the Father, has made him known.
The Amplified Bible dug deeper into the Greek. It renders it like this...​
No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God,
Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He
has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him
and He has made Him known].
Much of the riches of the Scriptures will be lost to those who go with the flow of mainstream Christianity.
I do not know any other way to tell you that truth.

God provides the church only a few good teachers (James 3:1)
A vast majority of teachers will be doing a poor job. (2 Timothy 4:3)

It's in the Word.
 

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The scholar I always learn from does not work with only one manuscript.

Whichever manuscript you have chosen?
How much are you able to really understand?
How well do you understand idiomatic word usage?
How well can you determine what ellipsis leaves out?
What a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th class condition can totally change what one assumes to be so?
How well do you understand how a word had changed in meaning for various periods in history?
How well do you understand a background of a passage, as to know why what was said implied at the time of writing?

There is so many things to know that most Christians have no idea even exists.
So you rely upon ONE PERSON'S interpretation....hummmmm
 
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Pastor-teachers are mandated to do that for us.
2 Timothy 2:15 is Paul writing to Timothy in that he is to study to shew himself approved unto God. Timothy is both a pastor and a protege of Paul. So Paul is telling his protege to study. This means we all must study the Word of God. It does not mean we are to be spoon-fed by somebody else. Granted, if this does not convince you, I have even more verses.

Acts 17:11
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

  • The Bereans were regular believers who were commended for examining the Scriptures daily to verify the teachings they received. This shows the responsibility of all believers to study Scripture for themselves.

Colossians 3:16
"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs..."

  • Paul exhorts all believers to let the Word of Christ dwell in them richly, which implies that all Christians are to engage with and internalize Scripture.

2 Peter 3:18
"But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

  • This command to grow in knowledge applies to all Christians, calling for spiritual maturity through knowing and understanding God's Word.

Hebrews 5:12-14
"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again... For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age..."

  • The writer of Hebrews rebukes believers for not maturing in their understanding of the Word. This passage indicates that regular believers should grow in their ability to handle Scripture and move beyond basic teachings.

Also, no Scripture says that Pastors are only to teach Greek. Have you ever read the Pentecost event in Acts chapter 2 before?

You said:
One pastor I knew, wrote telling me that the word used in John 1:18 is used to command pastors,
to faithfully exegete the Scriptures. It is the same Greek word used to describe the function of Jesus
towards mankind for us to be able to understand God.

He told me that John 1:18, tells us in the Greek that Jesus exegetes the Father for us.


John 1:18​
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest
relationship with the Father, has made him known.
The Amplified Bible dug deeper into the Greek. It renders it like this...​
No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God,
Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He
has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him
and He has made Him known].
John 1:18 in the AMP says at Biblehub:

John 1:18 AMP​
"No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father]."​

Several problems here. It says that Jesus is the begotten God. "Begotten" means to father in the sense that he gave seed to a woman. So to say that Jesus is a begotten God implies that He is a God that has a beginning. This is false and heretical. Yet, the AMP just wonders off in la la land and says that this means Jesus is the unique Son as an explanation of the English words that say something different.

You said:
Much of the riches of the Scriptures will be lost to those who go with the flow of mainstream Christianity.
I do not know any other way to tell you that truth.
Okay, so you are just believing this one guy. Again, he could be lying to you. You need to test everything with Scripture.

You said:
God provides the church only a few good teachers (James 3:1)
A vast majority of teachers will be doing a poor job. (2 Timothy 4:3)

It's in the Word.
Yes, this is true. Scripture does say that there are teachers in the church. But they are not just to impart knowledge but to help us to learn how to apply God's Word to our lives. Some have the gift of teaching by the Spirit. It is not a person just having knowledge of the original languages. The Bible is a spiritual book and it needs to be spiritually discerned. A person who even speaks and writes Greek as their native language could misunderstand the Bible because it is a spiritual book that needs guidance by the Holy Spirit. We also have to obey God's Word in order to receive the things of God like knowledge of His Word and knowing how to apply it to our lives. We have to surrender to the Lord Jesus Christ fully (See: John 7:17, Proverbs 1:7, James 1:22-25, etc.).

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So you rely upon ONE PERSON'S interpretation....hummmmm
One person?
This pastor-scholar was recommended to me by a retired Harvard professor of Ancient languages. He was teaching ancient languages at a Bible college I attended. Other pastors around the country who taught from the Greek and Hebrew did likewise. Billy Graham found out about him, and even asked for this pastor to become his private mentor.

I can understand this much.
You are never going to find "perfect."

Over the years I found some things he taught that I did not agree with. Minor in comparison to all the richness I received the other times. I had to create a personal library to test what I was listening to. I was shocked to see that other scholars also saw
similar things, but no one will teach us on this level to think of doing that kind of verifying.

There have been numerous pastors around the country that studied his messages for their private study.
Both Chuck Swindoll and Hal Lindsay were members of his congregation.

One pastor I became friends with after listening to some bible lessons I gave him, commented how he could not get over the fact that the congregation of this pastor actually wanted such in depth teaching. Most pastors today need to feed baby food to their congregations in comparison.

But.? If you wish? Go your own way if you like. After all... I might be wrong after all.

grace and peace .........
 

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Not all Greek manuscripts agree with each other. They say different things. So if a person uses multiple Greek manuscripts, they have to decide for you or you have to know the Greek to be able to decide. In my book, it is too risky to trust any one man to get the understanding from the Scriptures. They could be deceiving you on certain things in the Bible. We are supposed to study to shew ourselves approved unto God. It is also illogical to hold to a multi-manuscript tradition position (Like mixing Alexandrian texts with Byzantine texts). There is no history of such a practice..


With all you got, I would imagine you have a fantastic teaching ministry somewhere?
 

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2 Timothy 2:15 is Paul writing to Timothy in that he is to study to shew himself approved unto God. Timothy is both a pastor and a protege of Paul. So Paul is telling his protege to study. This means we all must study the Word of God. It does not mean we are to be spoon-fed by somebody else. Granted, if this does not convince you, I have even more verses.

Acts 17:11
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

  • The Bereans were regular believers who were commended for examining the Scriptures daily to verify the teachings they received. This shows the responsibility of all believers to study Scripture for themselves.

Colossians 3:16
"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs..."

  • Paul exhorts all believers to let the Word of Christ dwell in them richly, which implies that all Christians are to engage with and internalize Scripture.

2 Peter 3:18
"But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

  • This command to grow in knowledge applies to all Christians, calling for spiritual maturity through knowing and understanding God's Word.

Hebrews 5:12-14
"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again... For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age..."

  • The writer of Hebrews rebukes believers for not maturing in their understanding of the Word. This passage indicates that regular believers should grow in their ability to handle Scripture and move beyond basic teachings.

Also, no Scripture says that Pastors are only to teach Greek. Have you ever read the Pentecost event in Acts chapter 2 before?



John 1:18 in the AMP says at Biblehub:

John 1:18 AMP​
"No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father]."​

Several problems here. It says that Jesus is the begotten God. "Begotten" means to father in the sense that he gave seed to a woman. So to say that Jesus is a begotten God implies that He is a God that has a beginning. This is false and heretical. Yet, the AMP just wonders off in la la land and says that this means Jesus is the unique Son as an explanation of the English words that say something different.



Okay, so you are just believing this one guy. Again, he could be lying to you. You need to test everything with Scripture.



Yes, this is true. Scripture does say that there are teachers in the church. But they are not just to impart knowledge but to help us to learn how to apply God's Word to our lives. Some have the gift of teaching by the Spirit. It is not a person just having knowledge of the original languages. The Bible is a spiritual book and it needs to be spiritually discerned. A person who even speaks and writes Greek as their native language could misunderstand the Bible because it is a spiritual book that needs guidance by the Holy Spirit. We also have to obey God's Word in order to receive the things of God like knowledge of His Word and knowing how to apply it to our lives. We have to surrender to the Lord Jesus Christ fully (See: John 7:17, Proverbs 1:7, James 1:22-25, etc.).

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How are you comparing Timothy who was having the gift to teach? To some Christian who wishes to learn from qualified teachers?????

If you do not have the gift to study and teach? Not everyone does. You must learn from those who are qualified.
 

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And to teach doctrine.



This all proves my point. It does not prove your point that Jesus was always easy to understand. The parables were never understood by the Jews during His time who did not believe in Him. It was only the disciples that Jesus gave the meaning of the parable to. Also, while the Holy Spirit was given to the apostles, that did not mean they could not make mistakes based on wrong thinking. Peter made a mistake whereby Paul had to rebuke him to his face. Paul made a mistake in going back to Jerusalem and allowing the Jewish Christian elders to convince him to go through with an OT ritual.

this is the same as I was saying, we agree

As for understanding Paul: The veil of Paul is easily lifted if:

#1. One reads Paul's words in light of the false heresy of Circumcision Salvationism for Initial Salvation in Acts 15 in the KJV.
#2. One understands that Paul was referring many times to Initial Salvation and that he was not teaching that we can later abide in sin with the thinking we are saved all because we have a belief alone in Jesus (i.e., Easy Believism). Yes, we are saved initially by faith (a belief alone) in Jesus, but that is not how the faith continues. The faith continues with Sanctification of the Holy Spirit to live a holy life pleasing to God.


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Why do you seek to prove a point? this is not what I am doing. I do not care about proving anything, scripture says it all it is my only guide to truth with the understanding given to me by the Holy Spirit.
 
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One person?
This pastor-scholar was recommended to me by a retired Harvard professor of Ancient languages. He was teaching ancient languages at a Bible college I attended. Other pastors around the country who taught from the Greek and Hebrew did likewise. Billy Graham found out about him, and even asked for this pastor to become his private mentor.
Modern scholarship in the schools today is tied to Westcott and Hort's Modern Bible Movement. These men were heretics and they deceived people into thinking that their Revised Version was simply a KJV update when it wasn’t one. For example, the Comma in 1 John 5:7 along with other important verses found in the KJV were not present in their Revised Version translation. This is because they based their RV on two corrupt manuscripts, called Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus instead of the Textus Receptus (for the NT Greek). Modern Bibles today are tied to Westcott and Hort and they teach Catholic ideas and false doctrines. This is not an empty claim. It's a fact. I have discovered over 50 changed doctrines in Modern Bibles which are very serious, but most folks who are plugged into the Matrix of this Modern Bible movement cannot tell any difference because of the lies fed to them for so long. In addition, they brainwash their followers into believing that all Bibles and manuscripts contain errors and that the Word of God (Scripture) is constantly shape-shifting and changing based on new readings from new manuscript discoveries found in remote parts of the globe somewhere. But Vaticanus and Sinaticus are still given great weight above even any of these recent manuscript discoveries. The Modern Bible Movement today is also linked to Unitarianism, Catholicism, liberalism, and men who are into Spiritism. Again, these are all facts that I can easily demonstrate or you can research for yourself.

Billy Graham (who is now passed away) was linked to Catholics, and he was in support of this ecumenical Modern Bible Movement.

You said:
I can understand this much.
You are never going to find "perfect."

Over the years I found some things he taught that I did not agree with. Minor in comparison to all the richness I received the other times. I had to create a personal library to test what I was listening to. I was shocked to see that other scholars also saw
similar things, but no one will teach us on this level to think of doing that kind of verifying.

There have been numerous pastors around the country that studied his messages for their private study.
I would say those who are into Academia who teach Modern Textual Criticism, or who create Bible translations based on current Modern scholarship are ever-learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth because their whole approach to God's Word is wrong and tied to heretics. Does this mean I believe that the regular churchgoer (who knows nothing about this) in the Modern Bible Movement is not saved? No, there are obviously innocent Christian people who do not know do not know anything about Textual Criticism and the history of the Modern Bibles. That is what is so deceptive about this movement.

You said:
Both Chuck Swindoll and Hal Lindsay were members of his congregation.
Chuck Swindoll is also ecumenical and friendly to the Catholic Church.

In a section of So You Want to Be Like Christ called “Ministry of Silence” (p. 64), Swindoll quotes Henri Nouwen, a Catholic priest who had a strong affinity and experience with mysticism. Swindoll quotes Nouwen from his book The Way of the Heart, Nouwen’s primer on contemplative prayer.

While Hal Lindsey is not ecumenical with The Catholic Church, he has other major problems.

Hal Lindsey has made several predictions over the years, particularly related to the end times, that have not come to pass as he anticipated. His most famous prediction came from his 1970 book The Late Great Planet Earth, where he interpreted current events in light of biblical prophecy. He speculated that the end of the world or the return of Christ could happen within a generation (often interpreted as 40 years) after the founding of the modern state of Israel in 1948. This prediction placed the potential timeframe for the Second Coming around the 1980s or early 1990s.

Hal Lindsey has been divorced several times. He also believes in Hyper Grace whereby a Christian can live in extreme levels of sin and they can still be saved all by just having a belief alone in Jesus (Which is contrary to numerous verses in New Testament Scripture).

You said:
One pastor I became friends with after listening to some bible lessons I gave him, commented how he could not get over the fact that the congregation of this pastor actually wanted such in depth teaching. Most pastors today need to feed baby food to their congregations in comparison.
What is his name? I am sure I can find dirt on him. We are living in the last days. Many today are simply misleading others by false teachings. You can usually find out the truth about a popular Christian these days by Googling his or her name with the words “false teacher.”

You said:
But.? If you wish? Go your own way if you like. After all... I might be wrong after all.

grace and peace .........
Look. Words mean things in the English language. You cannot rewrite the dictionary in English. If you are to say that a Greek word means something it has to align with the same words in English. The AMP translation example you gave with John 1:18 is a perfect example of the Modern Bible Movement mental Psyop mission. Just like the Left Media introduces their Psyop mission of favoring the Democratic elites into implementing Communisim into this country.

John 1:18 in the AMP translation basically lied to your face, and you don't even realize it. If you are familiar with English word definitions, then you would know that the AMP Translation is openly lying to you. Begotten means to give seed as a father to a woman whereby that seed leads to a child being born. John 1:18 in the AMP says that Jesus is the begotten God. Meaning, it is saying that Jesus is a demi-god or a created God. But Scripture teaches Jesus is eternally God. Micah 5:2 makes that fact very clear in the KJV. But a Modern Bible waters down even this truth in Micah 5:2.

Again, a religious elite scholar has an agenda. If you learned words in an English dictionary and you learned Modern Greek and Koine Greek in the country of Greece, then you wouldn't be deceived by these men in Modern Scholarship. Be your own investigator and do not blindly trust men who are corrupt in these last days. They will lead you astray every time. Test everything with the Word of God. Even I say something that may not seem right, test it with the Word of God. But ask the Lord Jesus and His Spirit for help in seeking the truth as you really desire to be honest with the words on the page in your Bible. Be a real truth seeker and not a follower of men today. Yes, I am sure there are some true Spirit filled teachers out there, but they are in the minority today. We are living in a world of darkness today. The Bible and God is the only light or way out.

May God bless you (even if we may disagree).


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With all you got, I would imagine you have a fantastic teaching ministry somewhere?
My ministry is more online and it is more tactical. I have had many thank me for helping them with studies in the Word of God on various Christian forums. I also post on occasion on certain YouTube channels and give my input whereby it helps them on occasion. Over the past 2 years, I am working every day to finish a graphic (or image) filled PDF finished on 150 Reasons for the King James Bible being the Pure Word of God for today. I am also looking to create a future comic tract ministry similar to Chick Publications but with a different angle or slant (different from them). I do talk with various Christians personally on occasion (Although, we do not agree on everything).

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Why do you seek to prove a point? this is not what I am doing. I do not care about proving anything, scripture says it all it is my only guide to truth with the understanding given to me by the Holy Spirit.
Proving a point on my end is supporting Scripture and the Holy Spirit who inspired them.
However, we both cannot be right. Only truth will win in the end.
May the Lord Jesus Christ get all the glory for any truth from His Word that I stand up for.

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How are you comparing Timothy who was having the gift to teach? To some Christian who wishes to learn from qualified teachers?????

If you do not have the gift to study and teach? Not everyone does. You must learn from those who are qualified.
Look. You are too trusting. You think that just because a person has some credentials on the back wall of their office makes them qualified to teach you the Word of God. They may know certain Greek words, and sound really impressive and have taught tons of men, but if their whole way of teaching is flawed or built upon a wrong premise, they are simply misleading you. Again, it comes down to what you want. Do you want the truth by kicking up dirt on this person or their worldview? Do you like the idea of a shape shifter Bible whereby you or the scholar gets to add or take away from the very words of God? Yet, if that is the path you choose, how are you able to sleep at night knowing about the warning in Revelation 22:18-19? How can you commit the sins in Revelation 22:18-19? I know your teachers will not discuss this passage at any great length. That should scare you. That should wake you up in cold sweats in the middle of the night. But alas, many such of yourselves will not be able to see what I am talking about here.

It is my prayer and hope that you and or a few others may change because you do actually care about the truth and not what the popular teachers or Modern scholars say these days.

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I know it's true. Parables is a good book to read. I am reminded by this that, all things work for my good. Even death would be working to my good.
If you are referring to John MacArthur’s book called “Parables,” I would say that such a book does not give you all of the truth on what Jesus’ parables actually teach because he teaches false doctrine. For example, MacArthur pretends to teach holy living as a requirement for salvation, but he really does not believe that way according to the Bible. The Lordship Salvation doctrine he popularized is a Trojan horse.

How so?

Well, Kenneth Nally committed suicide as per his influence of John MacArthur's ministry and MacArthur said that he was still saved.

Here is a quote from an article:

"At the trial, MacArthur, 45, is seeking to clarify his church’s teaching on suicide. “It’s not only a sin, it’s illegal,” he says. “But we teach that even if a believer takes his own life, the Lord will still receive him into His presence.”

Article Source:
Fundamentalist Clergymen Face Charges of 'Malpractice' When a Parishioner Turns to Suicide

John MacArthur says that a person can take the mark of the beast and they can still be saved afterwards. Listen to this audio clip by him here:

https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/audio/macarthur-take-mark.mp3

John MacArthur says,

".. sin does not result in spiritual death for the believer ...
(The MacArthur Study Bible, p. 1927, comment on James 1:15)"

John MacArthur confirms how one can sin and still be saved here in this video:



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Proving a point on my end is supporting Scripture and the Holy Spirit who inspired them.
However, we both cannot be right. Only truth will win in the end.
May the Lord Jesus Christ get all the glory for any truth from His Word that I stand up for.

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you are a very strange person and I wish you the best of luck in your search for your very own truth.

Bonne chance!
 

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Modern scholarship in the schools today is tied to Westcott and Hort's Modern Bible Movement. These men were heretics and they deceived people into thinking that their Revised Version was simply a KJV update when it wasn’t one. ....
And, Donald Trump is going to destroy our Democracy!

Believe the lie they fed you, if you wish.