The gospel was preached unto Abraham

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birdie

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"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. "

I love the way that the gospel is presented here: "In thee shall all nations be blessed. "

The surrounding scriptures speak about this being a matter of belief and of faith. Do people consider belief and faith to be the same or different in some way?
 

John146

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#2
"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. "

I love the way that the gospel is presented here: "In thee shall all nations be blessed. "

The surrounding scriptures speak about this being a matter of belief and of faith. Do people consider belief and faith to be the same or different in some way?
Scripture is equated with God in this passage...the scripture preached the gospel...and yet, it was God who preached the gospel...one cannot separate God from his word, nor the word from God.
 

mailmandan

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Multiple passages of scripture connect salvation with being the end result of both belief and faith. (John 3:15,16,18, 6:40,47; Acts 10:43; 16:31; Romans 1:16; Romans 3:24-28; 4:5; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8; Philippians 3:9 etc..).
 

homwardbound

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"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. "

I love the way that the gospel is presented here: "In thee shall all nations be blessed. "

The surrounding scriptures speak about this being a matter of belief and of faith. Do people consider belief and faith to be the same or different in some way?
I rest in this belief, which is full. on Faith to me. This is not a work to me if is/were, then I have reason to boast, and I do not have that, thanks
Faith
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Belief

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E-ternial
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E-ternal
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I believe by God through Son we are restored, first Adam "Unbelief"
second Adam Jesus "Belief"
 

Aaron56

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"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. "

I love the way that the gospel is presented here: "In thee shall all nations be blessed. "

The surrounding scriptures speak about this being a matter of belief and of faith. Do people consider belief and faith to be the same or different in some way?
The last part is this: "So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham." This is how we, who believe in Christ, become "sons of Abraham": we inherit the blessings that were given to Abraham by faith.

The scriptures testify to this: "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Since Christ is the Seed who was promised, all who are in Christ receive the blessing of believing Abraham: "In us all the world will be blessed." This is true for all who believe the Lord for their life and living because we are part of the One, in the earth, and we carry the grace of God among the people.
 

birdie

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The last part is this: "So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham." This is how we, who believe in Christ, become "sons of Abraham": we inherit the blessings that were given to Abraham by faith.

The scriptures testify to this: "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Since Christ is the Seed who was promised, all who are in Christ receive the blessing of believing Abraham: "In us all the world will be blessed." This is true for all who believe the Lord for their life and living because we are part of the One, in the earth, and we carry the grace of God among the people.
Thanks Aaron56. I enjoyed your response. I am not sure I would use whatever translation you used for ¨"In us all the world will be blessed." Is that a translation of Genesis 12:3 in a Bible version somewhere or some other verse? King James Version is when God was speaking to Abram and in Genesis 12:3:

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

I can understand the desire to put ús instead of thee into the scripture but I would keep the same as KJV personally. Or maybe you are quoting a different scripture from Gen 12:3?
 

p_rehbein

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Regarding faith and belief, there is earthly faith and belief, and supernatural faith and belief. Even the Deamons believe God/Jesus is, but they do not believe "IN" Him.

Faith is similar. People have faith in certain earthly things, but are not believers in God/Jesus, thus their faith is not "IN" Him.
 

Pilgrimshope

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"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. "

I love the way that the gospel is presented here: "In thee shall all nations be blessed. "

The surrounding scriptures speak about this being a matter of belief and of faith. Do people consider belief and faith to be the same or different in some way?
It’s meant to hearken you back to Abraham’s story

The very first thing we know God said to Abraham

“Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

later he promises Abraham a son but Abraham’s too old and his wife is barren Abraham believes Gods promise

“And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭15:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Later he says when Isaac is offered and saved

“And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven,

and as the sand which is upon the sea shore;

and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:15-18‬ ‭

it’s reletively Important in the nt

“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.


And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

….For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:6-9, 14, 16, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to Isaac also

“and I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭26:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and Jacob and his children ( israel)

“And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; and thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭28:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

eventually in the nt epistles like Galatians 3 we find out the true seed is Christ and he was being promised all along through prophetic figures like Isaac and jacobs children then David’s son ect


“to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”

there was always a promise of Christ the seed of Abraham’s promised blessing for all nations

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The seed of Abraham sacrificed and risen, the son of God

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

rogerg

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Multiple passages of scripture connect salvation with being the end result of both belief and faith. (John 3:15,16,18, 6:40,47; Acts 10:43; 16:31; Romans 1:16; Romans 3:24-28; 4:5; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8; Philippians 3:9 etc..).
Just so that I understand, mailmandan, are you saying that we are saved by are satisfying of law?
 

Cameron143

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Just so that I understand, mailmandan, are you saying that we are saved by are satisfying of law?
I think he is simply showing the relationship between faith and belief. He is on record in many places stressing salvation by grace apart from works.
 

rogerg

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I think he is simply showing the relationship between faith and belief. He is on record in many places stressing salvation by grace apart from works.
It's possible that I may have misunderstood his point, but based on the verses he provided, it seemed to me that he was suggesting a cause-and-effect relationship between faith/belief and salvation— that we must first produce those as the prerequisites to becoming saved.
 

Cameron143

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It's possible that I may have misunderstood his point, but based on the verses he provided, it seemed to me that he was suggesting a cause-and-effect relationship between faith/belief and salvation— that we must first produce those as the prerequisites to becoming saved.
I've gotten to know @mailmandan a little bit during my time here. He's not suggesting as you propose.