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[Cameron143]

@Cameron143

So brother it is possible, everything is possible with God, we have to strive to be better, to listen to each other , to bear each others burdens, to have more patience, to not fight with eachother over things that don't matter, to love unconditionally YES !
actually we are to shine so much that unbelievers will see and come to us.
so we must start in the church to be loving towards one another, even when its hard, even when we don't agree, even when we feel the others have wronged us, we need to not take things personally but forgive 77 times a day if be, it starts with ourself.

i encourage you to do this to those around you my dearly beloved brother in Christ.

It's easy to identify problems. Most Christians know what is required of them. But how to perform it, they know not. Many Christians are tired of hearing how they need to again pull themselves up by their bootstraps and keep some aspect of the law. So...tell us how.

 

[Cameron143]

No we go in faith just like Abraham did when he took his son to be a sacrifice, he acted upon his faith, he didn't just sit and say ok Lord.
we do all things through God, we take a leap of faith and then we take the step, and walk obediently in his commands, this is possible when we deny ourselves and our own will, and walk in his Spirit.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Php 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Php 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.



Ephesians 2:10: “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them



1Ti 4:6 If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed.

1Ti 4:7 Have nothing to do with irreverent, silly myths. Rather train yourself for godliness;

1Ti 4:8 for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come.

1Ti 4:9 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance.

1Ti 4:10 For to this end we toil (work hard) and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

Now we're getting somewhere. How does someone tap into the power of God?

 

[Derobo]

Again, you are doing an excellent job of relaying what should be done without showing how it is done.

Jesus and the Apostles have already shown us plenty scriptures of how we should live in holiness and in love towards one another, i don't think its up to discussion its all over the Bible. i could quote scriptures all day.
and i know what the Apostolic fathers preached, they knew the apostles they preached the Gospel and Love and Holiness.
this is true christianity my brother, and its only possible with Jesus, meaning unbelievers will not be able to live this way because they are slaves to their flesh.



1. Faith and belief in Jesus Christ. = Equal Salvation.
2. After salvation good works will be produced by those who truly are the children of God.



2Co 7:1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.



Eph 4:17 Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds.

Eph 4:19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity.

Eph 4:20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!—

Eph 4:22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,

Eph 4:23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,

Eph 4:24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

Eph 4:25 Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.

Eph 4:26 Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger,

Eph 4:27 and give no opportunity to the devil.

Eph 4:28 Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need.

Eph 4:29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

 

[Derobo]

It's easy to identify problems. Most Christians know what is required of them. But how to perform it, they know not. Many Christians are tired of hearing how they need to again pull themselves up by their bootstraps and keep some aspect of the law. So...tell us how.

They are tired of hearing it because they are walking in their flesh, and fulfilling the pleasures of the flesh.
living like a christian has always been about denying oneself, american christianity is a compromise, and im grieved because of it.

its not hard actually, i have been back and forth and learned what it means to live in the spirit and live in the flesh in my sanctification process

when you live in the Spirit, you put your mind on things of God Bible, Prayer, Fasting, and that's where you heart will be, and you will walk in his commandments, it won't be as hard, you have to deny yourself and walk with Jesus.

but if you walk in the flesh, ( doing what the world does ) seeking your bodily pleasures, then you will become weak spiritually since you are feeding your flesh and not the spirit, and that's when it becomes the hardest.

 

[Derobo]

@Cameron143

Anyway brother nice talking with you its really late or early over here in Scandinavia.
God bless you over there!

 

[Cameron143]

Jesus and the Apostles have already shown us plenty scriptures of how we should live in holiness and in love towards one another, i don't think its up to discussion its all over the Bible. i could quote scriptures all day.
and i know what the Apostolic fathers preached, they knew the apostles they preached the Gospel and Love and Holiness.
this is true christianity my brother, and its only possible with Jesus, meaning unbelievers will not be able to live this way because they are slaves to their flesh.



1. Faith and belief in Jesus Christ. = Equal Salvation.
2. After salvation good works will be produced by those who truly are the children of God.



2Co 7:1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.



Eph 4:17 Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds.

Eph 4:19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity.

Eph 4:20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!—

Eph 4:22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,

Eph 4:23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,

Eph 4:24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

Eph 4:25 Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.

Eph 4:26 Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger,

Eph 4:27 and give no opportunity to the devil.

Eph 4:28 Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need.

Eph 4:29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

All those verses simply tell the Christian what to do; not how to do it. Ephesians 1 says that the same power that raised Jesus from the dead is at work in us. How do we tap into that power?

 

[Cameron143]

They are tired of hearing it because they are walking in their flesh, and fulfilling the pleasures of the flesh.
living like a christian has always been about denying oneself, american christianity is a compromise, and im grieved because of it.

its not hard actually, i have been back and forth and learned what it means to live in the spirit and live in the flesh in my sanctification process

when you live in the Spirit, you put your mind on things of God Bible, Prayer, Fasting, and that's where you heart will be, and you will walk in his commandments, it won't be as hard, you have to deny yourself and walk with Jesus.

but if you walk in the flesh, ( doing what the world does ) seeking your bodily pleasures, then you will become weak spiritually since you are feeding your flesh and not the spirit, and that's when it becomes the hardest.

No, they are tired of hearing it because people are telling them what they ought to do without teaching them how it is possible to live in the power of the risen Christ.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Gods love to us is different from what im talking about, his love is out of this world and its perfect,

what im saying is our love one towards another in Christ and even other people that are not believers, i don't see this, very rarely indeed, God hates those who sow discord among brothers and sisters, yet the american church is as divided as it gets, people fight over denominations and doctrines and have no love, this grieves me so much, it was never Jesus will to be like this, The Bible even says we are all supposed to be in complete unity of Faith.

His Love is different because it is a spiritual love.God is love,and he is spirit.So that love can only come through the Holy Spirit.
The people who don't have that forgiveness in them toward those who wronged them have never felt that love because if they did,they would have overcome that unforgiveness in their heart.
A lot of them will even deceive themselves into believing that they have forgave, but that forgiveness didn't come from the heart.It's only in the mind where that forgiveness came from.And it didn't go down from the mind to the heart.
That is the mercy seat.Our hearts are the offering unto the Lord.
God's love overcomes all things that are not righteous and pure.

1 john 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[Cameron143]

@Cameron143

Anyway brother nice talking with you its really late or early over here in Scandinavia.
God bless you over there!

Grace and peace.
And I'm not picking on you. If you believe you have the gift of exhortation, by all means, exercise it. But if you do not also teach others how to perform what you exhort them to, you will only frustrate many who are earnestly trying to live lives pleasing to God.

 

[wattie]

There were no physical churches back then, and Ephesisans 4:11:16 is talking about the body of Christ / the believers which WERE the church and still is, its not a church building, they went from house to house and had fellowship, just like we can have fellowship here online now.

let me quote you the scripture.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


So as it says in verse 16, the body is joined together and compacted by that which every joint supply, we are each a body part and we each have a gift and responsibility to make an increase of the body of Christ, if we say we are believers, which is why we have to be in unity, a body cannot function if the bodyparts do not agree with each other, we have to do this by listening to those elders in verse 11 who are given the gift of God to be Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers, instead of lone wolfing and thinking we can interpret the bible as we want and cherry pick as we want and then share our interpretation.

but i really feel the issue is we are in the end days and that's why so many are cold and don't want to pick up the cross dying to oneself which means loving others as he did among other things.

all i want is to encourage the true believers to walk in love, denying yourself, put others before you in meekness and show the true light of Jesus through your actions, this way there are hope that other people will get saved or come back into the faith, pride is the biggest problem.

writing this i feel so grieved and sad, but i will not give in to the devil, i want to show the light wherever i go, i want to put God first and do good to others, putting them before myself, doing this as i would do to Jesus, because if i reject people and have no love then i have no love for Jesus because he defined love and commanded these things and indirectly i would show no love for him by showing no love for people.

I pray everyone in here will feel encouraged to be better and to walk obediently with Jesus, shining his light through love, the love that he defined and through spreading his good news.

God bless you.

Derobo

The churches were not physical buildings..but local assemblies of saved, baptised believers..covenanted together to carry out the great commission and commandment

That'd what the church at Antioch, Ephesus, Phillipi.. etc were.

 

[Aussie52]

No, they are tired of hearing it because people are telling them what they ought to do without teaching them how it is possible to live in the power of the risen Christ.

We tap into God's indwelling power by faith.