Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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ResidentAlien

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The Donald is full of ideas; unfortunately, he's clueless when it comes to understanding the consequences of them.

For example, tariffs. He has proposed ridiculously high tariffs on China and Mexico. Sounds great, right? Let's stick it to 'em. However, tariffs are paid by importers in the US, not the exporters. The money goes to the federal government, and the cost is passed along to consumers. Tariffs can hurt the exporting countries to a certain extent though. If Chinese goods end up costing consumers more, there will be less of a demand for them. This is great if there are US manufacturers to step in and fill the gap at competitive prices. But this could take many years; and in the end, their products will probably still end up costing more. People love to complain about products not made in the USA until it starts taking a bite out of their purse. Someone like Trump, who has no comprehension of what it means to live in global world, has no business making decisions like this.

Or how about the mass deportation of illegals. Sounds great until you actually start trying to implement it. Can you imaging the national guard roaming the streets and countryside rounding them up. Then putting them in cages. The media would have a field day; and I seriously doubt people would just stand by and watch. As Trump himself has said, "It will be a bloody affair." The outcome of something like this would be far worse for the country than the situation now with illegals coming in. This calls for wisdom, not bravado.

Donald lives in his head. He doesn't seem to have to ability to understand the unintended consequences of his so-called great ideas. He lacks the discipline to be president of the US. He thinks it, so he acts. Just ask all the women who have been molested by him.
 

cv5

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Cv5 what bible do you read? i don't remember Ananias and Sapphira ever having anything to do with the Pharisees or having any plot to accuse, destroy or imprison or execute Peter?
"Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election. " - Elon Musk
BTW.....your Republic is on the brink buddy. Wakey wakey.

(1) Elon Musk on X: "Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election. Far from being a threat to democracy, he is the only way to save it! Let me explain: if even 1 in 20 illegals become citizens per year, something that the Democrats are expediting as fast" / X

Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election.
Far from being a threat to democracy, he is the only way to save it!

Let me explain: if even 1 in 20 illegals become citizens per year, something that the Democrats are expediting as fast as humanly possible, that would be about 2 million new legal voters in 4 years.

The voting margin in the swing states is often less than 20 thousand votes. That means if the “Democratic” Party succeeds, there will be no more swing states!! Moreover, the Biden/Harris administration has been flying “asylum seekers”, who are fast-tracked to citizenship, directly into swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and Arizona. It is a surefire way to win every election.

America then becomes a one-party state and Democracy is over.

The only “elections” will be the Democratic Party primaries.

This already happened in California many years ago, following the 1986 amnesty.

The only thing holding California back from extreme socialism and suffocating government policies is that people can leave California and still remain in America.

Once the whole country is controlled by one party, there will be no escape. Everywhere in America will be like the nightmare that is downtown San Francisco.
 

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"Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election. " - Elon Musk
BTW.....your Republic is on the brink buddy. Wakey wakey.

(1) Elon Musk on X: "Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election. Far from being a threat to democracy, he is the only way to save it! Let me explain: if even 1 in 20 illegals become citizens per year, something that the Democrats are expediting as fast" / X

Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election.
Far from being a threat to democracy, he is the only way to save it!

Let me explain: if even 1 in 20 illegals become citizens per year, something that the Democrats are expediting as fast as humanly possible, that would be about 2 million new legal voters in 4 years.

The voting margin in the swing states is often less than 20 thousand votes. That means if the “Democratic” Party succeeds, there will be no more swing states!! Moreover, the Biden/Harris administration has been flying “asylum seekers”, who are fast-tracked to citizenship, directly into swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and Arizona. It is a surefire way to win every election.

America then becomes a one-party state and Democracy is over.

The only “elections” will be the Democratic Party primaries.

This already happened in California many years ago, following the 1986 amnesty.

The only thing holding California back from extreme socialism and suffocating government policies is that people can leave California and still remain in America.

Once the whole country is controlled by one party, there will be no escape. Everywhere in America will be like the nightmare that is downtown San Francisco.
Hasn’t Donald a plan for getting the economy to grow? Looks like what he is proposing will make us poorer. If he had a plan he wouldn’t be operating like a scarecrow on Halloween when addressing the electorate.
 

cv5

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yes, I agree with you on Ananias and Sapphira but we don't know if those three were doing the same. they could have just had a difference of opinion like Peter and Paul.
Just to let you know....

You will never understand Acts 4 & 5 if you do not first recognize the correlation to Ex 32....!

Exo 32:28
And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
 
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Under Trump I was looking at 1.4% inflation, a tax break that increased my income, a more secure border and my 401K nearly doubled. Under Biden we are still dealing with the effects of high inflation, an illegal immigration invasion of America and soft on crime policies. During my 30 + years at the Post Office, it was common to see cost of living raises (we get 2 annually) that are typically around $400-$800 a year. When inflation peaked under Biden, we got 3 cost of living raises back-to-back that were like $1300 $1900 and $2400, which were unheard of prior to that during my career!

Has anyone seen the movie, "Vindicating Trump" yet?
 

ZNP

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There you go buddy. Take about 10-12 hours of your time and find out the TRUTH.
The common fallacies going around are insulting to God and absurd.

The Lie: Ananias and Sapphira. Let's find out just how bad it is. It's bad!
I thought he was very insightful in connecting Melchizedek, Abraham and the King of Sodom with Slavery, and connecting Acts 5 with the Judas kiss and the attempt to kill Peter. I also thought taking this angle on a discussion of Joel to be a very fruitful approach. However it took him 27 minutes to say that much, it could have easily been said in 2 minutes and the other 25 minutes was torture listening to him talk about his car, the TV shows he likes, and particle board.
 

cv5

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Cv5 what bible do you read? i don't remember Ananias and Sapphira ever having anything to do with the Pharisees or having any plot to accuse, destroy or imprison or execute Peter?
Another thing:
There is a DIVIDING going on in Acts 4 & 5.
Similar to the sheep and the goats. Life from death. Good from evil. Light from darkness.
 

cv5

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I thought he was very insightful in connecting Melchizedek, Abraham and the King of Sodom with Slavery, and connecting Acts 5 with the Judas kiss and the attempt to kill Peter. However it took him 27 minutes to say that much, it could have easily been said in 2 minutes and the other 25 minutes was torture listening to him talk about his car, the TV shows he likes, and particle board.
Thats the price of admission buddy. I listen to Chronister daily. For hours.
Greatest bible scholar of this present age. Nobody compares.
 

cv5

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I thought he was very insightful in connecting Melchizedek, Abraham and the King of Sodom with Slavery, and connecting Acts 5 with the Judas kiss and the attempt to kill Peter. I also thought taking this angle on a discussion of Joel to be a very fruitful approach. However it took him 27 minutes to say that much, it could have easily been said in 2 minutes and the other 25 minutes was torture listening to him talk about his car, the TV shows he likes, and particle board.
How did Peter know that all of this was going down? And yes, Peter knew. EVERYTHING.

Here is another OT parallel......2 Kings 6:24 thru 7:2.

One MUST correlate Acts 4 & 5 to ALL relevant OT passages to get the accurate picture.
Is this being taught in the Church today? No. No it is not.

Evidently nobody really cares. A sign of the times is it not?
 

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The Donald is full of ideas; unfortunately, he's clueless when it comes to understanding the consequences of them.

For example, tariffs. He has proposed ridiculously high tariffs on China and Mexico. Sounds great, right? Let's stick it to 'em. However, tariffs are paid by importers in the US, not the exporters. The money goes to the federal government, and the cost is passed along to consumers. Tariffs can hurt the exporting countries to a certain extent though. If Chinese goods end up costing consumers more, there will be less of a demand for them. This is great if there are US manufacturers to step in and fill the gap at competitive prices. But this could take many years; and in the end, their products will probably still end up costing more. People love to complain about products not made in the USA until it starts taking a bite out of their purse. Someone like Trump, who has no comprehension of what it means to live in global world, has no business making decisions like this.

Or how about the mass deportation of illegals. Sounds great until you actually start trying to implement it. Can you imaging the national guard roaming the streets and countryside rounding them up. Then putting them in cages. The media would have a field day; and I seriously doubt people would just stand by and watch. As Trump himself has said, "It will be a bloody affair." The outcome of something like this would be far worse for the country than the situation now with illegals coming in. This calls for wisdom, not bravado.

Donald lives in his head. He doesn't seem to have to ability to understand the unintended consequences of his so-called great ideas. He lacks the discipline to be president of the US. He thinks it, so he acts. Just ask all the women who have been molested by him.
In George Orwell's "1984," the Two Minutes Hate is a daily event that takes place at 6:55 a.m. sharp in the Ministry of Truth1. During this ritual, the members of the society are required to gather together in front of a telescreen and watch a film depicting the enemy of the state, Donald Trump.

RA is such a good little citizen of the state. Probably a class -A snitch, like all good citizens should be.

Look forward to your two minutes of hate tomorrow morning RA!
 

cv5

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He is probably looking for government stimmies, welfare, government cheese and free housing and snap cards.
Selling your freedom for peanuts is a very bad idea.

BTW.....God is ALWAYS exalting individual FREEDOM. Of thought and action.
Empowering government to impose slavery is abhorrent to God and man. But it happens.
And it is happening right before our very eyes.
In America no less.
 

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Thats the price of admission buddy. I listen to Chronister daily. For hours.
Greatest bible scholar of this present age. Nobody compares.
He may be insightful but not a great speaker. Here is the short version for people who don't want to spend an hour:

Genesis 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

Satan is the king of Sodom. As men of faith we cannot allow Satan to have any claim whatsoever over us. This is why when you get saved you must repent of anything that involves Satan and make full restitution.

For example in Acts we see Levites selling their land and putting the full price at the feet of the apostles. The Lord told us that these levites had devoured widow's houses. The Levites are the ones who identify leprosy (which signifies rebellion) and then banish those with leprosy to live with the other lepers, where no doubt they actually do get leprosy. When a person is banished who gets their house? It can't go to someone from another tribe except for the Levites. They are the only ones who can live in all the tribes. So then you like a house, you "diagnose" leprosy in the owner, banish him, and you get the house. The wife becomes a widow, and without the bread winner she can't maintain the house. So they "devour widow's houses". But when they came to Jesus they repented of this sin and realized the money from this was a stain on them. The only way to clean their robes is to sell the land and put it at the feet of Jesus.

Acts 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Now let's go back to Genesis 14, the King of Sodom (Satan) wanted to exchange the loot for the people. Satan wants to make people captive to sin and he does this by giving you something, whatever you want, in exchange to being a slave of sin. Abraham said no. That is what we are called to do when we are saved and also become son's of Abraham by faith.

Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

We don't believe in coincidences, we believe in God. The high priest is named Ananias. If the Levites are getting rich by devouring widows houses it surely would include the high priest. We have recently discovered documents of Ananias trying to justify what he did in ordering Jesus to be crucified. He said the key item that forced his hand was when Jesus flipped the money changers tables in the temple. This is why we have the term "sold out". You can be sold out to Jesus, or you can be sold out to Satan, you can't be both. Ananias was pretending to be sold out to Jesus when in fact he was sold out to Satan. This is what we have discovered in the church today, many churches are run by a board of directors and on that board you have Freemasons. They pretend to be sold out to Jesus but in reality they are sold out to Satan.

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

We should compare this with what Judas did. He betrayed Jesus with a kiss and you could say that Ananias was betraying Peter with this "offering", like a kiss. After kissing Jesus they arrested Him to be crucified. That was Ananias that orchestrated that. In the same way I think this was also planned to entrap Peter with an excuse to arrest him, accuse him of some crime (tax fraud), and defame the church.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Satan did this to make Ananias a slave of sin, He did this to attack the church and give him a reason to slander and accuse the church of being sinful.

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

But focus on our own lives. Do you pretend to be sold out to Jesus? Do you justify taking financial gain when you know it is from being abusive to others. Gain that involves lying, deceiving, and manipulating people?

I skip 2 Kings 1 and 2 Kings 6 because although it does support this interpretation it isn't necessary.

January 6th is a prime example. Pelosi and Schumer were the ones who manipulated that event to make it look like rebellion (leprosy) so that they could banish MAGA (domestic terrorists) and seize their homes. They need manpower to seize the homes which is why the border is thrown open to over 20 million illegals during Biden's administration with an estimated 45 million illegals living in the country at present.
 

ZNP

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Hold it, are you saying that Morning Joe on MSNBC was playing while George Orwell was writing 1984?!
 

cv5

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He may be insightful but not a great speaker. Here is the short version for people who don't want to spend an hour:

Genesis 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

Satan is the king of Sodom. As men of faith we cannot allow Satan to have any claim whatsoever over us. This is why when you get saved you must repent of anything that involves Satan and make full restitution.

For example in Acts we see Levites selling their land and putting the full price at the feet of the apostles. The Lord told us that these levites had devoured widow's houses. The Levites are the ones who identify leprosy (which signifies rebellion) and then banish those with leprosy to live with the other lepers, where no doubt they actually do get leprosy. When a person is banished who gets their house? It can't go to someone from another tribe except for the Levites. They are the only ones who can live in all the tribes. So then you like a house, you "diagnose" leprosy in the owner, banish him, and you get the house. The wife becomes a widow, and without the bread winner she can't maintain the house. So they "devour widow's houses". But when they came to Jesus they repented of this sin and realized the money from this was a stain on them. The only way to clean their robes is to sell the land and put it at the feet of Jesus.

Acts 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Now let's go back to Genesis 14, the King of Sodom (Satan) wanted to exchange the loot for the people. Satan wants to make people captive to sin and he does this by giving you something, whatever you want, in exchange to being a slave of sin. Abraham said no. That is what we are called to do when we are saved and also become son's of Abraham by faith.

Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

We don't believe in coincidences, we believe in God. The high priest is named Ananias. If the Levites are getting rich by devouring widows houses it surely would include the high priest. We have recently discovered documents of Ananias trying to justify what he did in ordering Jesus to be crucified. He said the key item that forced his hand was when Jesus flipped the money changers tables in the temple. This is why we have the term "sold out". You can be sold out to Jesus, or you can be sold out to Satan, you can't be both. Ananias was pretending to be sold out to Jesus when in fact he was sold out to Satan. This is what we have discovered in the church today, many churches are run by a board of directors and on that board you have Freemasons. They pretend to be sold out to Jesus but in reality they are sold out to Satan.

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

We should compare this with what Judas did. He betrayed Jesus with a kiss and you could say that Ananias was betraying Peter with this "offering", like a kiss. After kissing Jesus they arrested Him to be crucified. That was Ananias that orchestrated that. In the same way I think this was also planned to entrap Peter with an excuse to arrest him, accuse him of some crime (tax fraud), and defame the church.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Satan did this to make Ananias a slave of sin, He did this to attack the church and give him a reason to slander and accuse the church of being sinful.

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

But focus on our own lives. Do you pretend to be sold out to Jesus? Do you justify taking financial gain when you know it is from being abusive to others. Gain that involves lying, deceiving, and manipulating people?

I skip 2 Kings 1 and 2 Kings 6 because although it does support this interpretation it isn't necessary.

January 6th is a prime example. Pelosi and Schumer were the ones who manipulated that event to make it look like rebellion (leprosy) so that they could banish MAGA (domestic terrorists) and seize their homes. They need manpower to seize the homes which is why the border is thrown open to over 20 million illegals during Biden's administration with an estimated 45 million illegals living in the country at present.
I am glad that you mostly agree. And I have no problem with plagiarizing. I do it all the time.
Thats how we pass along lessons to preach and teach.

"don't want to spend an hour: "
But your one post does not equal 12 hours of lectures. Not even close buddy.
They are packed and there is no way to elucidate all of the salient points on a mere message board.
 

cv5

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God loves freedom. Most miss the fascinating import of this passage.

Jdg 16:3
And Samson lay till midnight, and arose at midnight, and took the doors of the gate of the city, and the two posts, and went away with them, bar and all, and put them upon his shoulders, and carried them up to the top of an hill that is before Hebron.

Take heed America. Lest you be shut in and never escape.
 

cv5

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He may be insightful but not a great speaker. Here is the short version for people who don't want to spend an hour:

Genesis 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

Satan is the king of Sodom. As men of faith we cannot allow Satan to have any claim whatsoever over us. This is why when you get saved you must repent of anything that involves Satan and make full restitution.

For example in Acts we see Levites selling their land and putting the full price at the feet of the apostles. The Lord told us that these levites had devoured widow's houses. The Levites are the ones who identify leprosy (which signifies rebellion) and then banish those with leprosy to live with the other lepers, where no doubt they actually do get leprosy. When a person is banished who gets their house? It can't go to someone from another tribe except for the Levites. They are the only ones who can live in all the tribes. So then you like a house, you "diagnose" leprosy in the owner, banish him, and you get the house. The wife becomes a widow, and without the bread winner she can't maintain the house. So they "devour widow's houses". But when they came to Jesus they repented of this sin and realized the money from this was a stain on them. The only way to clean their robes is to sell the land and put it at the feet of Jesus.

Acts 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Now let's go back to Genesis 14, the King of Sodom (Satan) wanted to exchange the loot for the people. Satan wants to make people captive to sin and he does this by giving you something, whatever you want, in exchange to being a slave of sin. Abraham said no. That is what we are called to do when we are saved and also become son's of Abraham by faith.

Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

We don't believe in coincidences, we believe in God. The high priest is named Ananias. If the Levites are getting rich by devouring widows houses it surely would include the high priest. We have recently discovered documents of Ananias trying to justify what he did in ordering Jesus to be crucified. He said the key item that forced his hand was when Jesus flipped the money changers tables in the temple. This is why we have the term "sold out". You can be sold out to Jesus, or you can be sold out to Satan, you can't be both. Ananias was pretending to be sold out to Jesus when in fact he was sold out to Satan. This is what we have discovered in the church today, many churches are run by a board of directors and on that board you have Freemasons. They pretend to be sold out to Jesus but in reality they are sold out to Satan.

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

We should compare this with what Judas did. He betrayed Jesus with a kiss and you could say that Ananias was betraying Peter with this "offering", like a kiss. After kissing Jesus they arrested Him to be crucified. That was Ananias that orchestrated that. In the same way I think this was also planned to entrap Peter with an excuse to arrest him, accuse him of some crime (tax fraud), and defame the church.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Satan did this to make Ananias a slave of sin, He did this to attack the church and give him a reason to slander and accuse the church of being sinful.

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

But focus on our own lives. Do you pretend to be sold out to Jesus? Do you justify taking financial gain when you know it is from being abusive to others. Gain that involves lying, deceiving, and manipulating people?

I skip 2 Kings 1 and 2 Kings 6 because although it does support this interpretation it isn't necessary.

January 6th is a prime example. Pelosi and Schumer were the ones who manipulated that event to make it look like rebellion (leprosy) so that they could banish MAGA (domestic terrorists) and seize their homes. They need manpower to seize the homes which is why the border is thrown open to over 20 million illegals during Biden's administration with an estimated 45 million illegals living in the country at present.
BTW......if you in fact never knew the TRUTH of Acts 4 & 5, and are embarrassed to say so, I understand.

The vast proportion of the Church does not know either. So no need to be ashamed.

But you could thank God for the man Chronister deep in your heart. Privately. God would be pleased at your honesty.
 

cv5

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Hasn’t Donald a plan for getting the economy to grow? Looks like what he is proposing will make us poorer. If he had a plan he wouldn’t be operating like a scarecrow on Halloween when addressing the electorate.
Oh yes, the $$$ Benjamins $$$. Everybody is sceerd about a scarcity of those aren't they?

Well, the truth is that my rights and freedoms are of INESTIMABLE value, and are priceless.
When you have them, you have everything. When you do not, you have nothing.