The GAP Theory

[Rondonmon]

Sorry to say, but you are in error about that Genesis 1:2 "without form, and void" meaning per the Hebrew tohu va bohu (See OT:8414 and OT:922). So you have not flushed out anything involving that Scripture, so I will not tolerate your fibbing that is clearly in order to deceive the Biblically unlearned here.

When you get to heaven you will now instantaneously, Ron was correct, and being correct is al I care about. I have been called unto prophecy for 40 plus years my friend, the biggest flaw I see is people do not know how to "connect the dots", they go into these long winded diatribes with grand thesis but never do the simple things correctly, add everything up and make them match up.

Dan. 7:11 says the Beats BODY is DESTROYED and he is cast into hell.

Rev. 19:20 says the Beast and False Prophet are CAST ALIVE into hell.

God never contradicts Himself, so something is amiss here and no word search or deciphering is going to straighten this seeming contradiction out.

So, what gives? Well Daniel was very clear, this Beast is a MAN, and God's holy word says all men must die and be judged. So, why does Rev. 19 seemingly change it up? ANSWER, it changes nothing, what John via God has told us here is these two men, unlike everyone else, will never REST in their graves, our spirits are eternal, Daniel is not "DEAD" he sleeps just like Dan. 12:1-2 says, go read it, they call the Dead in God (Christ) sleeping. Those who are condemned at the 2nd Resurrection, after Jesus 1000 year reign are going to be RESTING in their graves, but they will be judged after the 1000 years, but not the Anti-Christ and False Prophet, they will be taken by Angels and CAST ALIVE (never allowed to rest) into hellfire.

I do this all day long, it is my job. There is no such thing as a 144,000, its a CODE just like the 10 Virgins is a CODE. Why can men see one but not the other? 10 = Completeness, so only half the Church are going to make the Wedding call (5 of 10 Virgins who are not ALL Female by the way). Likewise, the 144,000 are not all MALES, they are 5 million Jewish peoples who repent, or the 1/3 who Zech. 13:8-9 says repent, since 15 million Jews are alive today that = 5 million Jews, not 144,000 which is an easy code to solve. 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness so 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents, which will be 5 million Jews.

This is how you solve problems like God/Jesus talking in parables or giving us info in codes, you solve the codes. That is what I did via creation, the Universe is 13.7 billion years old and the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and the sad thing is many, many young people will wind up in hell because people failed to tell them the truth, and because they could not buy the untruth, they will not hear the testimony about Jesus either.

 

[DavyP]

When you get to heaven you will now instantaneously, Ron was correct, and being correct is al I care about. I have been called unto prophecy for 40 plus years my friend, the biggest flaw I see is people do not know how to "connect the dots", they go into these long winded diatribes with grand thesis but never do the simple things correctly, add everything up and make them match up.
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Yeah, I've heard all those type of claims before, nothing new for braggers that are looking for status among God's people when God did not call them. Christ's elect don't brag about how smart they are or how correct they 'feel' they are, or how long they've studied or served God.

 

[Rondonmon]

Yeah, I've heard all those type of claims before, nothing new for braggers that are looking for status among God's people when God did not call them. Christ's elect don't brag about how smart they are or how correct they 'feel' they are, or how long they've studied or served God.

Everyone is a braggart when their knowledge, that comes from God via prayer and study overrides other peoples false assumptions. Do you understand people laugh at young earthers?

God is shaking His head now, saying why can't my people add 2 + 2.

Keep thinking 2 + 2 = 3.

 

[Kroogz]

Well, for those given to understand it, yeah. I know all of us will understand it when Lord Jesus returns. But for those who do understand, I see it as a gift from God, like that pastor once said to me when I asked him about it that, "no man showed that to me, God showed it to me", and he said it twice to me staring right at me with a stern face.

You are doing a great job at laying it out. Thanks.

 

[Clayman]

Well, for those given to understand it, yeah. I know all of us will understand it when Lord Jesus returns. But for those who do understand, I see it as a gift from God, like that pastor once said to me when I asked him about it that, "no man showed that to me, God showed it to me", and he said it twice to me staring right at me with a stern face.

Don't you find it even a little coincidental that God showed no man the Gap and billions of years, until the last couple hundred of years, and now that evolution is taught in schools and has become mainstream, now God is showing people the gap, Are you sure peoples bias for example with evolution is not from man. Even Darwin said he was amazed that people readily took up his theory on evolution!

 

[DavyP]

Don't you find it even a little coincidental that God showed no man the Gap and billions of years, until the last couple hundred of years, and now that evolution is taught in schools and has become mainstream, now God is showing people the gap, Are you sure peoples bias for example with evolution is not from man. Even Darwin said he was amazed that people readily took up his theory on evolution!

When Darwin's theories first came out suggesting evolution of the species, still not everyone believed it, and still today, there are many that don't believe it, even though public schools wrongly teach evolution. Pseudo-science comes wrapped in multi-colored packages, so to speak. Only the gullible are used to just accepting things based on the beautiful package.

I think there's a certain amount of rebellion by school kids today because they instinctively know there's a certain amount of propaganda included in the school curriculum, the theory of evolution being one of those ideas.

The following is from ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen's 1958 book The Naked Communist, from his list of 45 strategic goals Soviet Russia developed for subversive covert takeover of the United States...

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for
socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the
curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party
line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs
or organizations which are under Communist attack.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as
“normal, natural, healthy.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the
schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation
of church and state.”

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as
selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate,
old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to
cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control
over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare
programs, mental health clinics, etc.

40. Discredit the family as an institution.
Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative
influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and
retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are
legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and
special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to
solve economic, political or social problems.

 

[DavyP]

Well yes that is also what I'm saying and also think.

I think that Lucifer had not rebelled yet and that in the garden of Eden when lucifer was just created, he was perfect in his ways, had wisdom and beauty.

This ties in with scripture verse Gen 1:31 Then God saw everything that He made, and indeed it was very good (including Lucifer who was or is a part of our creation)

That will not work, nor does your attempted Gen.1:31 association work simply because God spoke that about the renewing of this earth for this 2nd world earth age we are in today. (see the Psalms 104 Scripture about God laying the foundation of the earth, which is actually for this 2nd world earth age, a renewal after He destroyed the 1st world earth age when Lucifer originally rebelled).

So understanding that when Satan as "that old serpent" in God's Garden of Eden tempts Eve to disobey God's commandment, it means Satan had already 'fallen' at some time prior to that. It is impossible for Lucifer in his original created perfect state to do that tempting of Eve.

And that point is so... obvious, it's silly for anyone to suggest he was still perfect in following God when doing that! Trying to push such a falsehood as that reveals something, in case you didn't know. It reveals that you have an agenda outside of God's Word that you are following.

 

[Clayman]

That will not work, nor does your attempted Gen.1:31 association work simply because God spoke that about the renewing of this earth for this 2nd world earth age we are in today. (see the Psalms 104 Scripture about God laying the foundation of the earth, which is actually for this 2nd world earth age, a renewal after He destroyed the 1st world earth age when Lucifer originally rebelled).

So understanding that when Satan as "that old serpent" in God's Garden of Eden tempts Eve to disobey God's commandment, it means Satan had already 'fallen' at some time prior to that. It is impossible for Lucifer in his original created perfect state to do that tempting of Eve.

And that point is so... obvious, it's silly for anyone to suggest he was still perfect in following God when doing that! Trying to push such a falsehood as that reveals something, in case you didn't know. It reveals that you have an agenda outside of God's Word that you are following.

It reveals that you have an agenda outside of God's Word that you are following.

The problem or agenda I have in disagreeing with you, is that I simply refuse to go outside or add to God's Word.

If you have a good reason then I would consider it. But.

But to me God's Word clearly states by one man sin entered the world.
You state that by one Satan sin entered the world.

To me Gods Word clearly states that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
You state that in the beginning we have the second beginning as the first creation was marred by Satan and sin.

To me Gods Word clearly states that at the end of the creation week everything was very good
You state that it wasn't very good, for its only the second creation that is very good, not the first. (this I find confusing)

To me you have a problem with being able to rationale Satan being in the garden of Eden deceiving Eve and leading Adam to sin, without having him as the sole cause of all our problems and curse.

Because you are blaming Satan for our fall, to me you then have to create a whole new imaginary scenario so he can be already evil and fallen and to thwart God's plan where we are living in the garden in perpetual bliss, even though we know God had already planned for us to fall. He wants us to know the consequence of sin, So we can determine or genuinely choose to forsake sin and choose God, in the resurrection.

Anyway I'm an alcoholic who does not drink anymore, people offer me drinks and get annoyed when I refuse, My brother will offer me a drink so we can party like the good ole days and I refuse, he is being like Satan with Eve and tempting me, even though his motives are selfish, I cant help but wonder if hes testing me to see if I will always refuse or not, the longer the game goes on I wonder if his respect increases.

To me my brother is not sinning by being nice and offering me a free drink, yet it is definitely not for my benefit especially if I succumb to the offers, I am sure my wife might blame him if I fall off the wagon.

Yet if i drink the drink my wife should lay the blame on me, and not my brother.
and If Adam eats the fruit don't be like the feeble wife and make excuses by blaming the serpent or Satan blame Adam. Just as God did.

For by one man sin entered the World(not snuck into it from another creation) and death through sin.

So I don't see Satan had to have technically sinned to test Adam and Eve, although his motivation needed checked, which I think God did try and do, I won't give verses and reasoning as no doubt you have already cemented me to the false agenda list for disagreeing with you.

People blame Satan for our fall, and they still blame Satan for all the problems in the world today,
And yes I obviously don't blame Satan for our fall, although he had a role in it for sure, and we can see a hint of his pride forming, and even today I don't blame Satan when people sin, I blame the sinner.

To me the Word of God is a jigsaw puzzle, there is nothing wrong with trying to rationale why Satan wanted to see If Eve would eat the fruit, yet if a certain conclusion looks good, and then we see that it stops other puzzle pieces fitting into the picture, then Ill just try a different rationale and keep trying to make all the pieces fit to form a beautiful picture.

And this isn't even the biggest problem I have with Satan already a fallen sinner and in the garden, the biggest problem I have with it is that it impugns the character of God. Which is a whole other conversation.

 

[DavyP]

The problem or agenda I have in disagreeing with you, is that I simply refuse to go outside or add to God's Word.

I can understand that kind of reasoning, however, you would be excluding much archaeological evidence that supports God's Word as The Truth, and is not the adding to idea of Rev.22 that you appear to be referring to. As I said before, the Gap idea is written in God's Word; it's just not in the form of a direct message, but instead God's Word hints at it, which is what Scripture like Jeremiah 4:23-28 and Romans 8:18-25 and 2 Peter 3 does.

Same thing about Christ's parable of the "tares" of Matthew 13, He doesn't come right out and tell us exactly what people He is representing with the "tares", but He does reveal it in His Word 'indirectly' in various Scripture, like Jude 4, pointing back to Old Testament history about them. Even in Jeremiah 24 with the evil basket of figs, He doesn't reveal directly that's about those "tares", yet He does 'indirectly' with all the Bible Scripture about their creeping in among Israel through their Old Testament history.

 

[glf]

I think it only fair to cover the Gap idea in Genesis 1 for brethren in Christ who have never heard of it nor realized Bible Scriptures about it even exists. I once asked a pastor I met if he knew about it, and he looked me sternly in the face and said, "No man showed me that, God showed me that." I then asked him if he taught it to his Church congregation and he said no, that only about a quarter of them would understand. So I asked him, "well what about that quarter? didn't God give it to them to know?" He didn't respond, so I don't know, maybe he braved his Church organization, risked getting fired, and taught it to them. I know one Church in my area that has a teaching pastor that is a Hebrew scholar, and that's all he does, and he teaches it to their Church.
My point is, that many studied pastors and Bible scholars understand about the Gap idea, but most are not allowed to teach it because of their Church organization policies. I don't think that fair to God's people, because He would not have given the Scriptures that point to it unless He wanted at least some of us to know about it.
So do what you will, believe it or don't, it's not a salvation issue. But if properly understood, it will... help with a deeper Bible understanding on what this present world is about and why Lord Jesus Christ had to come in the flesh and die on the cross to defeat death and the devil.
So hopefully the administrators will allow this to be posted.
(Continued...)

Here's my take on the earth's beginning:
Gen 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
The wording here used in the original Hebrew, implied that the earth was a finished work, ready to be inhabited.

Gen 1:2, "And the earth became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The Hebrew word for was is the same word used for became; so it's context that determines which idea should be used.

Jer 4: 23-26, "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and , lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down by the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger."
The first verse above from Jer 4 connects this passage with Gen 1: 2; and we see a continuation of what was described there. Since the time of Adam and Eve there has been man upon the earth even until the end of Jesus' millennial reign.

Is 14:12-20, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, is the man that made the earth to tremble, and did shake kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one of them in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and like the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shall not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned."
Here we see the evil one's 5 I wills, and then we see his being called a man as in a mortal being (thus the 666 is also the number of mankind, who is also mortal.) Next we see that this passage of scripture is connected to the passage in Jer 4; and then we see why the evil one and his descendants who were duped into worshiping him by the father of liars, are made to be wandering spirits in time for Adan and Eve to be created by the Lord.
In New Jerusalem, we see that the city's gates never close as there is no night there because of the Lord's presence lighting the whole world without any night; which is the same for the inhabitants of the world at the time before Adam and Eve as there was no sin there until their war which destroyed the earth at that time. They had no forbidden fruit and therefore death was accidental until the evil one's rebellion and did not come to them as a result of old age or sickness.
Before the flood during Noah's time, if they only lived to 700 years and only had 5 children, the population just before the flood would have been about 40 billion individuals. No where in scripture does it say that mankind will have 7,000 years but by the signs of the times and by adding time of the Lord Jesus' millennial reign we can see that all told, we'll have 7,000 years; which, I suspect, the evil one along with Michael and Gabriel would have had too.

 

[cv5]

The Gap idea comes from what we are shown in God's Word about the time before Lucifer rebelled against God, and a time of God having caused a world-wide destruction upon this earth to end Lucifer's original rebellion, and then with God having refurbished His creation after that, but not fully, which became this present 2nd world earth age of today.

That is the way I see it. Until further notice.
The gap theory has a LOT going for it. And solves many problems.

BTW Usshers chronology is pretty useless.

Abraham was undoubtedly born in 2322BC. Confirmed by any Bible translation.
Ussher says the flood occurred.........2349 BC.

Houston we have a problem.

Remember, we have the Peleg disaster, Babel disaster, confusion of languages, and the need to populate the earth to at LEAST 10 million souls AFTER the flood. But probably much more than that.

Also, the nations of the East (China, India) were also underway at the birth of Abraham.

But more striking is the enormous amount of evidence of a HUGE catastrophe about 12,500 years ago.
With humans as witnesses. Who made petroglyphs of what they saw aka "squatter man" petroglyphs.
And these squatter man petroglyphs are all over the PLANET......and describe the same exact thing:

A massive plasma electromagnetic event that beggars the imagination.

Prediction #5: Plasma Formations in the Ancient Sky (thunderbolts.info)

 

[Kroogz]

to me God's Word clearly states by one man sin entered the world.
You state that by one Satan sin entered the world.

I don't see that. Satan had dominion over the earth. Failed. God restored the earth for a LESSER being .....mankind. And we get to prove to the angels( a higher being) that God is Just and Fair in His Judgement.

You're missing out on the kingdom conflict. We get to PROVE to the angels that God is Fair,Just and full of Grace and Mercy.

 

[Kroogz]

Don't you find it even a little coincidental that God showed no man the Gap and billions of years, until the last couple hundred of years, and now that evolution is taught in schools and has become mainstream, now God is showing people the gap, Are you sure peoples bias for example with evolution is not from man. Even Darwin said he was amazed that people readily took up his theory on evolution!

So the Trinity is false by this logic. The Jews believe in the gap FACT. So it isn't some new "theory."

 

[Kroogz]

Don't you find it even a little coincidental that God showed no man the Gap and billions of years, until the last couple hundred of years, and now that evolution is taught in schools and has become mainstream, now God is showing people the gap, Are you sure peoples bias for example with evolution is not from man. Even Darwin said he was amazed that people readily took up his theory on evolution!

One thing we cannot forget. God's word is alive and powerful. He reveals things in His timing. We can all read the OT and see the things He revealed in His own timing..........Why can't it be happening in our time?

 

[cv5]

I don't see that. Satan had dominion over the earth. Failed. God restored the earth for a LESSER being .....mankind. And we get to prove to the angels( a higher being) that God is Just and Fair in His Judgement.

You're missing out on the kingdom conflict. We get to PROVE to the angels that God is Fair,Just and full of Grace and Mercy.

Yup. Pretty much. But I do not see perfect Adam as "lesser".

In fact I think that Satan (the wisest and most powerful of all created beings) tried MANY times to deceive Adam and FAILED every time. Then I think that Satan gave up and focused on destroying Adam by attacking the Woman. Who WAS in a sense inferior.

Remember......fully 1/3 of the angels "fell to their death". So in the sense of being prone to deception, perhaps THEY were inferior.

And also there is this:

Gen 1:26
And God said, Let us make man H120 ***ADAM*** in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Never are angels so described by God. Sons of God yes. But this description is unique.

It may be that Adam had to give up his life willingly (***not deceived***), as it MAY have been impossible to deceive him.
And Adam is a type of Christ Who also cannot be deceived.

I am not trying to make doctrine here......just my opinion and food for thought.

 

[Kroogz]

Yup. Pretty much. But I do not see perfect Adam as "lesser".

In fact I think that Satan (the wisest and most powerful of all created beings) tried MANY times to deceive Adam and FAILED every time. Then I think that Satan gave up and focused on destroying Adam by attacking the Woman. Who WAS in a sense inferior.

Remember......fully 1/3 of the angels "fell to their death". So in the sense of being prone to deception, perhaps THEY were inferior.

And also there is this:

Gen 1:26
And God said, Let us make man H120 ***ADAM*** in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Never are angels so described by God. Sons of God yes. But this description is unique.

It may be that Adam had to give up his life willingly (***not deceived***), as it MAY have been impossible to deceive him.
And Adam is a type of Christ Who also cannot be deceived.

I am not trying to make doctrine here......just my opinion and food for thought.

I agree. You explained it better than I.

 

[cv5]

Don't you find it even a little coincidental that God showed no man the Gap and billions of years, until the last couple hundred of years, and now that evolution is taught in schools and has become mainstream, now God is showing people the gap, Are you sure peoples bias for example with evolution is not from man. Even Darwin said he was amazed that people readily took up his theory on evolution!

I do not need billions of years. From what I know (MULTIPLE massive and rapid catastrophes and extremely rapid speciation)
things happen FAR FAR faster than what the "scientists" demand.

For example, boiling hot post flood oceans + axial tilt = 100 feet of snow PER DAY at the poles (if not more).
Ginormous ice sheets can be built in a couple of hundred years. Probably even mere decades.
Not millions of years as the uniformitarians demand.

You could very comfortably pack all of geology and archaeology into 50,000 years or even 25,000. No problem.

But 6000 years? Not a chance. And FYI, most genealogies are only about 30% complete. So at a minimum triple the time spans.

 

[Kroogz]

Yup. Pretty much. But I do not see perfect Adam as "lesser".

In fact I think that Satan (the wisest and most powerful of all created beings) tried MANY times to deceive Adam and FAILED every time. Then I think that Satan gave up and focused on destroying Adam by attacking the Woman. Who WAS in a sense inferior.

Remember......fully 1/3 of the angels "fell to their death". So in the sense of being prone to deception, perhaps THEY were inferior.

And also there is this:

Gen 1:26
And God said, Let us make man H120 ***ADAM*** in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Never are angels so described by God. Sons of God yes. But this description is unique.

It may be that Adam had to give up his life willingly (***not deceived***), as it MAY have been impossible to deceive him.
And Adam is a type of Christ Who also cannot be deceived.

I am not trying to make doctrine here......just my opinion and food for thought.

I also want to say thanks. We line up on doctrine, and you add tid bits that make me go "what?" I never thought of that! And I agree Adam and Eve were probably in Eden for Years, hundreds of years, thousands of years? Before he got the woman to bite. Adam was NEVER deceived.

 

[glf]

Yup. Pretty much. But I do not see perfect Adam as "lesser".

In fact I think that Satan (the wisest and most powerful of all created beings) tried MANY times to deceive Adam and FAILED every time. Then I think that Satan gave up and focused on destroying Adam by attacking the Woman. Who WAS in a sense inferior.

Remember......fully 1/3 of the angels "fell to their death". So in the sense of being prone to deception, perhaps THEY were inferior.

And also there is this:

Gen 1:26
And God said, Let us make man H120 ***ADAM*** in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Never are angels so described by God. Sons of God yes. But this description is unique.

It may be that Adam had to give up his life willingly (***not deceived***), as it MAY have been impossible to deceive him.
And Adam is a type of Christ Who also cannot be deceived.

I am not trying to make doctrine here......just my opinion and food for thought.

I suspect that Adam knew he was choosing Eve over the Lord...

 

[Genez]

Why would you even suggest that when the Gap Theory is utterly bogus? It is more than fair to dismiss it, since false doctrines should not be allowed in sound churches. The Bible is crystal clear. There is NO GAP in Genesis.

There was no creation before the actual creation as recorded in the Bible. There is absolutely no evidence that Satan (formerly Lucifer) was given the earth. This is all pure speculation, and if you can show from Scripture that there was an earth BEFORE this earth, then show it from the Bible.

No, it is not speculation.... Genesis 1:2 in the Hebrew indicates utter destruction.

So much so, that Jeremiah cited Genesis 1:2 (in the Hebrew) to slam the disobedient rebellious Jews to show them how badly God was going to destroy their nation.

Jeremiah 4:23 is the same Hebrew as Genesis 1:2.

And, take a look! Because the Jews understood Hebrew, and understood the utter destruction found in Genesis 1:2?
Jeremiah in verse 27 had to soften it up a bit.... and tell them, in their case, they will not face utter destruction..

Young earthers typically never get that shown to them.

Here it is....

Jeremiah 4:22-27

22 “For my people are foolish,​

they have not known me.​

They are foolish children,​

and they do not have insight.​

They are skillful at doing evil,​

and they do not know how to do good.”​

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23 I looked at the earth, and behold, it was wasteland and emptiness,​

and to the heavens, and they were without their light. (Gen 1:2!)​

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24 I looked at the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,​

and all of the hills were jolted to and fro.​

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25 I looked and behold, there was no person,​

and all of the birds of the sky had fled.​

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26 I looked and behold, the fruitful land became a desert,​

and all of its cities were ruined before Yahweh,​

before the face of his burning anger.​

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27 For thus says Yahweh, “All of the land will be a desolation,​

yet I will not make a complete desolation. (like Genesis 1:2 spoke of!)​

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The Jews were told that some of Israel (unlike Genesis 1:2) would be spared absolute destruction!

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There we have it! ​